Assault rifles are obsolete in today's and future wars

>You're right. I forgot about social media. The military can automate sending out tweets and FB posts to warn people.
Is... is this bait?

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You may very well be legitimately retarded.

OP you're a fucking retard

There is a case to be made for issuing a super-lightweight mortar at section level.

Not an argument.

Great point, but aren't most infantry units mechanized anyways?

No. Most people are glued to their mobile devices and pay more attention to social media notifications than news on the TV or radio.

I think focusing on a destroy and let them rebuild strategy is going to cause a lot of hate for us and make more terrorist and enemies. It's one of the causes of Nazi Germany.
I think the strategy itself would work very well though if we relied more on vehicles to decimate and infantry was rarely used further than 200 meters from the vehicles. I don't think you can exclude at least a few rifles from the squad though. There are some (less but some) situations where it will be faster to kill with a rifle than to aim at their feet with a launcher.
I believe your thinking is what China is moving toward to. Giving nearly every man a rocket launcher and adding explosive rifles to their arsenal.

take your meds baby

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Civilians are going to die anyways.
>I believe your thinking is what China is moving toward to. Giving nearly every man a rocket launcher and adding explosive rifles to their arsenal.
Fight fire with fire

>implying I haven't

Nigga how are you going to carry all that? A LMG isn’t that light, and assault rifles work great indoors

You can't just blow up everything. You don't understand that war isn't won by simply killing your enemies and destroying an entire country with "muh grenade launchers". But you havn't finished high school yet so I see why you don't know what you're talking about.

Guy who served here, I'd rather have something like this than my AR tbqhwyfam. Just give me a small carbine as a backup and I'd be good to go.

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Nope. If anything, light-machine guns like the SAW are becoming obsolete in favor of multi-purpose assault rifles, because it's far more economical and efficient to suppress an enemy with three bullets than with three hundred.

Bullets still kill people dead, but I'm not gonna lie the idea of a squad being armed with a at least one Neopup if not a full compliment of them gets me rock hard
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You're retarded. You've obviously never even served in the infantry.

And if you're called to resolve a hostage situation or some other close-quarters mission requiring precision? What then?

I think it's a good idea. The US military could have an open group named "Places we'll attack soon" that anyone could join, but only admins could make messages. If you are invaded by the US then just join the group and check daily, then you'll know when to evacuate.

Did you ever carry the 32?

Then I unsling my small and light-weight carbine. I don't think hostage situations are that common in war anyway, we're soldiers, not SWAT.

And they're far more accurate too, for obvious reasons. Have you ever wondered why the M27 rifle is becoming the replacement for SAWs despite the seeming disadvantage of ammo capacity? War is becoming more precise than ever, and nothing's more precise than a good rifle.

>Nigga how are you going to carry all that? A LMG isn’t that light,
Vehicle support and robots will be the new pack animals (e.g. Boston Dynamics robot)
>assault rifles work great indoors
There will be no indoors when you blow up everything.

The M27 IAR is gay.

I like the enthusiasm.

Not an argument.

PDWs

Military doesn't deal with hostage situations and after the first dozen attempts get blown up without even exchanging words, no one will be taking hostages anymore.

Neopup should be the standard infantry weapon. That's stopping power.

But you often had to assault and sweep confined areas, no? If that's the case, wouldn't hand-held grenades be much better than a launcher?

Also, what exactly is different in your opinion between an 'assault rifle' and a 'lightweight carbine', given that the M4 and HK416 are classified as both?

Sure didn't, not american :^) I carried the FNC FAL and sometimes the FN MAG

Okay, try clearing rooms with a 240. You know they're called crew serves for a reason right? Its not like a videogame you mong.

Sure didn't, I was signal corps in a euro-army, so pretty hardcore shit.

That's what PDWs are for. Just sling them on your back.

Then every soldier should be equipped with an M82

And that’s why you’re no General

You could also clock the guy in the head with a well-placed grenade, should render him unconscious without detonating the grenade (hopefully).

The 32 is pretty shitty, but I envy you for your FNC.

Congrats, you've found the only non-meme usage of a PDW apart from protecting vehicle crews. They're glorified submachine guns that use gimmicky, pricey ammunition and don't even perform that much better in their niche than an honest carbine with more firepower and a little more bulk.

You're an idiot. I bet in slick you couldn't even carry a 240, tripod and ammunition, much less in kit.

This was me for one glorious year

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>2% success rate
>failure blows them both up
Good enough to say you tried
M8, you don't want to add more weight to the machine gunner. Have him shoot through the walls before breaching.

Generals are stubborn and slow to adopt new tactics.

Smaller form factor and less weight.

What are you trying to prove? We're not even talking about GPMGs.

I'm not going that far. Volume of firepower is also important as well as precision, so the assault rifle is still the most flexible tool for the job. You can suppress a position, use it for sharpshooting, or sweep indoors with it. No other firearm can do that many jobs so well.

>Evacuate a mega city or major city
>That's cut off from supply
>and surrounded and about to be occupied
>The logistical footprint of evacuating even a city of 1 million people, much less 20+ million

>M8, you don't want to add more weight to the machine gunner. Have him shoot through the walls before breaching.
I meant having grenadiers and mortarmen armed with PDWs as backup weapons if they so choose. Yes, the machine gunner will obviously just light up a room or building from the outside if it's feasible.

user, do you honestly think combat is a videogame where you can carry as many guns as you want to any mission without physical consequence? Even if you were that strong, why bring two guns to a job when one will do just fine and spare you the trouble of switching guns (which is also easier to do in videogames than in real life)?

I think OP is on to something. Here's my proposal.

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I see, thanks for your service. However, could you please clarify what you meant by a 'light-weight carbine' and how that's different from an assault rifle? If you're going to bring one anyway, then there clearly must be a job for it that grenades can't do (and there are plenty of combat situations where grenades would be a dangerous choice).

>thanks for your service

KEKed out loud, thanks

This is a good start, but we need more light machine guns and mortars.

Also use pic related to carry ammunition.

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No I don't and PDWs are easy to carry. As I stated earlier, it could be voluntary to carry one.

Why have an LMG when you could have this? Much more effective in ARMA

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>thanks for your service

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If less weight also means less firepower, then no thank you. I don't want to be the guy stuck with 9mm or some upstart pistol caliber trying to take on enemies armed with actual 7.62 compact AKs. But sure, they'll work fine for the average SWAT raid against poorly-equipped criminals and Twitch streamers.

>voluntary

what you're saying at this point just strays further and further from reality you should log off for the day

Explain

Easy to carry, sure, but do you really want to be stuck fumbling around for your backup gun while the enemy's aiming at you with his primary?

Switch the 50 cal for a general dynamics 338 Norma machine gun and add an ammo bearer to feed the machine gun and be armed with a P90

Keep armor nearby infantry with many. Really nearby.

Because there are plenty of situations where carrying a weapon smaller than an LMG is necessary. It's not 'voluntary' if the alternative is being shot to death the moment you can't manoeuvre your gun fast enough.

>Assault rifles are obsolete

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I guess I can answer even though I was just spetsnaz-bait and could have been armed with a potato-gun for all the good it would probably have done me in a war-situation, I just meant a light carbine or smg, anything that's short, light and allows me to spit bullets.

But in all honesty there's nothing a grenade can't do. Hostage situation? Knock him out with a head shot using a smoke grenade. Room clearing? White phosphorus. Supression? Fragmentation grenades. Pin-point fire? Who cares, use frag.

We're talking about warfare, not civilian gun ownership.

Obviously the backup should just be used for niche scenarios, in the situation you are describing a grenade from your main should already be on its way.

>shoot someone in the head with a grenade

I think I'd just use the SMG at this point if I had such a great shot at his head, unless there's a good reason for wanting the smoke afterwards.

Here's the improved version

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The smoke gives cover for the hostage to make their way to safety

I love you user. I'm saving this. Please feel free to made additional changes and put your penis on it as a watermark.

In a perfect world where situations cooperated with our tactics, sure. But try as I might, I simply cannot imagine how a grenade is going to 'help' a situation where I'm surprised in a corridor by an enemy and I can't swing my heavy LMG around in time. He'd be blown to pieces, sure, along with me and anyone else caught by the funnelled blast.

>I simply cannot imagine how a grenade is going to 'help' a situation where I'm surprised in a corridor by an enemy
There won't be any corridors to worry about if you destroy the building.

If you HAVE to actually go inside the building, just use your PDW instead. If you opted out of having a PDW (which would be voluntary), just use a white phosphorous grenade instead of frag, who cares if the building burns down after you've fired, now you know for a fact that the building was housing hostiles.

That is, of course, assuming my objective is to demolish it along with all the fuckers inside instead of capturing it. And you fail to consider that said structure may not even be above ground.

you don't need infantry for that - use a tank or artillery.

NOPE
Handguns are absolutely obsolete pieces of junk, designed from the get-go to be assassination weapons and tools of piracy. Then became high grade military firearms designed for cavalry charge.
Handguns became obsolete when the first Submachineguns were made. Which would become PDWs when further refined.

Handguns should be globally discontinued from military and police service, they shouldn't be manufactured by any licensed arms manufacturer, and pistol calibers shouldn't be manufactured anymore either.
> this gets around trying to "ban" them since nobody makes any quality ones, and there's no munitions being manufactured for them either.

So what do people use instead? Harsh Language?
Pic Related.
Cops using them it'll be harder for criminals to take the gun and shoot them with it. It'll put down threats faster and more accurately. Its still got range if you need it. Guns like this can be hidden, but its hard as fuck to just walk down the street toting this all the time. Gang fuckers will go back to using Knives and slam fire shit, but the black market in arms would be hit severely.

Personal Defense Weapons (and SBRs) are the future, god gives people these inventions for a reason so use them.
Anything less than 24" overall length you should need to get Tax Stamp levels of accreditation for.

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Might be crazy enough to work

Sure, but the point is to equip mobile/mechanized infantry with lots of boom boom.

>Great point, but aren't most infantry units mechanized anyways?

They are, but beeing able to dismount is kind of key. And by dismount I mean actually moving along with the IFVs, not just getting out, hiding behind the nearest tree and never get up.

If the grass line is too tall to use prone or you need to mount the machine gun from elevated position the robot could have a QD point for the gun to lock up tight in

This makes me hard.

user everyone knows switching to handgun is faster than reloading

Fuck,
Just give all the soldiers DMRs like they had back in the old days.
> recoil is too much capt'n
> well stop fucking shooting all over the place, aim your shots
Full Auto was a mistake, leave that on the Machineguns and PDWs
Nowadays EPR penetrates everything like a lightsaber, step it up one size from .308 in the average rifle and you can just shoot through the wall, and trees the bastards are hiding behind.

based calculating digits but...
not reloading because you've got 30-50 rounds in your PDW is faster than pulling out a pistol
and pulling out a PDW is about as fast as pulling out a Pistol
and it will make things deader

casket magazines have an apt name because they will put more threats in their caskets
ive never seen a quad stack magazine get made for standard size handguns

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>Just give all the soldiers DMRs like they had back in the old days.

But then where's all the explosive firepower to overwhelm the enemy and destroy their cover/concealment? This is about full onslaught on your enemy.

Thats in addition to the explosive firepower we already use
Doing this means that whole "trading shots back and forth" thing while you're waiting for the mortars to arrive becomes very deadly for enemies, because they're actually fucking pinned down and taking casualties, rather than holding ground and being held in check by army/marines.
You're not just shooting at them to keep their heads down. And for soldiers with shit accuracy they're still doing a favor to the DM's as a distraction.
> if its got 1200 yards accuracy, just imagine what it can do at 200 yards.

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>PDW
>Is literally a compact assault rifle.
user, I...

retard noguns

I don't like it. It reminds me of someone trying to do too much with a magic card deck and it ups not playing very well at all. Play your strengths hard.

>There's literally no reason to equip infantry with assault rifles.
what if someone sneaks up behind you, are you gonna use your fucking mortar and blow up your entire platoon?

There's been a small dicussion regarding PDWs for their compactness.

>Shit tier namecalling
Like, dude. It's just an assault rifle with a short barrel. Falls fully within the definition of assault rifle.

Actually im the user who keeps requesting the 2:1 or 3:1 ratio of PDWs and DMRs and just cutting the regular service rifle out of the equation completely.
Like you said in terms of strengths, like in some strategy card game, there are other ways to balance without literally going middle of the road.

Kinda vidya related here but there's a game called FEAR that was released way back in the bush years. Fairly competent and realistic Jow Forums game except for vidya wounding dynamics. But I can say having played it alot that I was never comfortable using the Assault Rifle in the game, which was basically a G36.
- I was always using combos like the SMG+Shotgun or Shotgun+DMR along with whatever heavy or exotic weapon I could have in the 3rd slot.
- While the G2A2 rifle had the best middleground of damage, ammo capacity, and availability, from my playing style it was too inaccurate and the recoil was just uncontrollable enough to make it a hassle.
- The SMG, a pdw equivalent since it still did 2/3 the damage of the rifle, was a hell of alot easier to control, even not considering the game's meme timeslow mechanic. Lower recoil meant you could actually score multiple hits on enemies. And you could carry more ammunition for it.
> Jow Forums isnt vidya but simulators still paint a good picture, its wisdom that should be heeded

Min Maxing should be done in terms of fully investing on both ends of the spectrum, and taking your chances on the "what ifs" in the middle that dont happen too often.
Assault Rifles as service weapons try to be good at everything. But you just cant get a golden mean. At least not until we get shit like Lasguns.
- PDWs with 200-300yd range, probably in 6.5mm of some kind. About 1000ft-lb force.
> 50 or 60 round capacity with quad stack mags
- DMRs with 1200-1500yd range, probably .338s or a .338 crammed in a .308 case. About 4000ft-lb force.
> 20 round capacity, as usual

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Probably because people (read: non-combatants) fucking live there, you walking warcrime.

>assault rifles are obsolete
>let's just nuke any city we are at war with
>role-playing big man gives me big iron

Whoa buddy. Nukes are inhumane. We're just talking about normal, conventional war.