Why doesn't the army equip every soldier with silencers?

Yeah and because of that politicians and movie directors who have zero knowledge think a silencer causes zero noise.

Dude who made gif calls it jif, but it's still gif.

The ANZACs are rolling out suppressors to all front-line troops.

Based gif poster

the Ian says no because suppress-and-flank tactics rely somewhat on the terror and conspicuousness factor of noisy guns

seems like a decent optional situational thing though

fortunately i don't see any of those here

Suppressors would very quickly wear out if you were using them in a firefight. The average Jarhead wouldn't realize that heat dissipation is a thing that exists and would end up melting it and/or burning himself on it after shooting like 5 mags through it in 4 minutes.

Plus it wouldn't really do anything positive because stealth is hardly an object for the average infantryman.

You're just adding yet another thing for Gomer Pyle to fucking destroy witlessly. We'd be better off if we had more stringent requirements and training so crayon eaters wouldn't be a problem, but we all know that isn't really feasible either.

It adds weight to the end of the barrel, making the gun harder to hold steady as one aims. The extra weight can impede the function of a semi-auto handgun, necessitating the use of a booster device.

It adds length to the barrel, making it harder to manoeuvre in tight areas. If someone is being held at gunpoint, a gun w/ a suppressor attached to its barrel gives someone a considerable bit more length to deflect or grab, which requires that a further distance is maintained from them if possible.

They cause additional back pressure, which blows more gas & smoke out of the breech of the gun, often into the face of the shooter.

They get hot & can cause burns if one touches them, so heat-resistant sleeves are a good thing to have. However, these also insulate the suppressor, keeping it from cooling. If they are threaded onto the muzzle, the suppressor can become unscrewed. If the bore of the suppressor isn't concentric to the barrel, the bullet will hit the baffles inside. So they need to be tightened often, risking burning unless heat-resistant sleeves are used.

Even good quality suppressors can fail. If one is unaccustomed to the sound of an unsuppressed weapon & their suppressor fails, this can be disconcerting or disorienting at a time when one needs to maintain their full concentration.

They also affect bullet speed & can minimally affect accuracy but only in extreme circumstances for long distance shots.

Supersonic bullets do not get suppressed effectively as one will still hear the supersonic crack of the bullet as it breaks the sound barrier.

They can alter the function of a semi-auto rifle as they increase the gas pressure w/in the barrel.

They're more difficult to holster.

They reduce range.

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Stop basing your "facts" on CoD and Far Cry.
Jesus Christ.

I didn't. I've never even played any of the games from either of those franchises.

>cost
>weight
>wear on the firearm
>increased cleaning of firearm
>average grunt cant be issued with new boot laces without then fucking it up somehow
Fuck off kid.

Not to mention you have to be able to move silently enough and unseen to make supressors worthwhile

The reason none have been adopted yet for widespread use is a combination of institutional inertia (the Army still uses carbine gas) and because any systained fire will leave you with a hot poker on the end of your rifle.

Or you could be the USMC and have your HK416 rifles experience bolt over base failures.

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Why do retards make this thread all the time?

fishing for deer porn

Never been in a firefight with Marines.

>hot thing to burn your knees on
Contortionist in the field?

In some cases the sound of a lot of guns firing at you can be intimidating and you can use that sound to repel the enemy away from a certain location

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>melting it
No
Theres plenty of videos where people make silencers/suppressors literally glow and they do not melt.

Suppressors make it harder to determine where someone is firing from and would decrease the hearing loss in our vets, hint that gets paid for with disability.

taskandpurpose.com/suppressors-marine-unit-weapons/

Forward weight is hilariously helpful for steadying aim, which is why heavy barrels are preferred on precision and varmit guns.

Semi valid concern of added length, not valid in the someone could grab it, but it is more to maneuver when clearing a building. An M4 flavor with a suppressor is still going to be shorter than an M16 flavor that the marines use.

You've probably never shot suppressed. It's not bad at all. I have an 11.5" ar with a can and its very livable.

The barrel will also be hot as fuck when the suppressor gets hot as fuck, do you see the military advocating for handguards that cover the entire length of the barrel? Anyone with a can knows direct thread is the shittiest attachment method and is rarely used on a quality can. Non-concentric bores are fairly rare esp on an AR.

>what if they arent used to instant permanent hearing damage!?!

They increase bullet velocity why is that a concern? Once the rifle is zeroed it has no affect on accuracy.

>why suppress from 160 db to 130 db when its still kinda loud?!
130 is 1/8 the perceived volume of 160 decibels, and .1% of the sound energy.
Yeah being 8 times as loud or 1000x more energy is no big deal.

No. They don't affect peak pressure only prolong back pressure. If it became a big deal armours can easily replace gas blocks on problem rifles. It's a non significant issue.

>holster a rifle

>reduce range
Fuck I spent all this time replying to realize you have no clue what your talking about and are some fucking video game kid.
>hurrr increasing velocity reduces range!
Pic related and fuck off Jow Forums

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They overheat rather fast.

Dump a mag and touch the barrel.

I mean they glow red hot with sustained fire faster than any other part of the weapon.

>ANZACs
You don't even know what the ANZAC is. (Pro-tip: It's not a catch all term for the Australian or New Zealand armies).

Yes but the barrel will cause burns after a mag dump aswell. The gas tube, bolt, upper receiver and handguard also can get uncomfortably hot.

What the difference between a 800 degree surface flesh burn and a 400 degree surface flesh burn?

it changes the spray pattern slightly but in the heat of battle that makes a lot of difference when compensating recoil

Shock factor and demoralization of the event is a very effective thing. Ideally, on the offensive, you outnumber the defender by at least three to one, and you want him to know it. Stealth is great too, but only if you want to avoid detection - not all operations need it.

I guess the Marines>Army, then.

What if the suppressor had a castellated portion like some barrel nuts and it used LH threads? Just give armorers the proprietary wrench for the suppressor. The average crayon eater isn't going to figure out how to improvise a tool and even if they throw a strap wrench or something around the body, the LH threads will stop anybody with an IQ below room temperature.

Or you could drill a hole through the suppressor's mounting nut and the barrel's threads like a pinned flash hider and use a grub screw instead of a pin. Then slap some high temp epoxy over the head. You can dissolve the epoxy with a strong solvent when you need to remove it.

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Suppressors suffer catastrophically failures from firing 350~ round belts.
See the video "Suppressor Meltdown M249 SAW"

Oh gotcha only took heating the barrel until glowing red to show that suppressors cant handle it, using belt sizes the military doesn't, in ways the military does use SAW's. Gotcha all that makes tons of sense the military shouldnt use suppressors in ways they dont already use the guns with belts they don't use and doctrines they also don't use. Solid point friendo. Keep up the good posts.

In ways the military doesn't use SAW's*

suppressors have a lot more use outside of 'leet oper8tions'.

>your fucking FOB gets shit stormed at 0stupid30
>throw on IOTV and ACH
>grab rifle
>start shooting back
>lolearpro
>eeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>???
>tax payers loosing money to vet with disability

honestly hearing protection is by far the biggest benefit to suppressors and if they weren't $800+ and $200 plus some 8 month fuckery, id have one for every firearm i own.

>inb4 y no make ur own
atf pls go
>but you can get tax stamp for the one you made
i'd still rather not deal with the 8 months of bullshit waiting to not have pupper ventilated

>They reduce range
dude, they give a tiny boost to velocity if they have any effect at all

damn nigga you have never shot a gun let alone a suppressed one. please leave

Suppressed ar15s while quieter, are still pretty loud due to the 5.56 being a fast round. Doesn't make sense when you had a handful of people all shooting, its still loud. In smaller squads and specific missions they make more sense which is where they are used.

Also they make the gun much higher pressure due to less gas escaping at the muzzle and being forced back into the gun. Suppressors also get very hot after a couple of mags. In a firefight that might be a problem when firing a lot. The life of the suppressor will shorten when ran harder. Then it adds an extra pound or so to each rifle depending on the suppressor. Other smaller issues is the added length to a rifle and cost.

A $1000 silencer is $200 manufacturing tax, $200 transfer tax, and $500 for decreased demand because of the tax. If the military could bypass the NFA, their silencers would cost $100 to make. Of course, the military would pay $3000 each so some officer could retire and start a new career as an exec at the silencer company.

A slung M4 sits with the muzzle in front of your knees. Its not normally an issue because birdcages cool faster than cans and are way less obtrusive, but it would be if everyone had a suppressor.
>If the military could bypass the NFA
Of course they can bypass it, why the fuck would you even entertain the idea that they were even privy to it?

Prices do not go up when demand goes down.

The American education system strikes again.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale

Yeah, but that's because they are preparing to disarm a huge segment of their own population, while keeping it suppressed (pun intended) in the media. It's not a normal situation.