So SoD Mattis has said multiple time that the break up of the Russian Federation would be bad for NATO and the world. I am assuming this is because of the proliferation of WMDs what stockpiles does Russia still have? what countries would grab those weapons if the federation split?
So SoD Mattis has said multiple time that the break up of the Russian Federation would be bad for NATO and the world...
Austin Ross
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Ethan Brown
>break up of the Russian Federation
>if the federation split
Keep dreaming.
Joseph Edwards
america would break up before russia
Isaiah Rogers
will*
Nathaniel Allen
Please don't break it up.
Jose Sanchez
In the US not for at least another 50 years.
Putin is the only thing holding Russia together, he's already 66, eventually he's going to start getting senile or trip in the bathroom or something. Once he's gone Russia will fall apart like nothing else
Hunter Collins
i live in mississippi
Dylan Morris
Here, have another ruble Grigori
Lucas Phillips
I doubt that very much.
Camden Collins
Boris and Ivan at it again
Ethan Allen
Russians try to pretend that NATO wants Russia destroyed and broken up, and nothing is farther from the truth. The world has no need for the sudden creation of a dozen or so new unstable states that are filled with military hardware and half of them would be nuclear armed.
Cooper Cook
If Russia didn't collapse in 1998, it will never collapse. Now USA is definitely on the verge of breaking up.
Zachary Harris
Lol no its really not
Landon Martinez
Yeah unaccounted for nukes would be a nightmare
Levi Anderson
>Now USA is definitely on the verge of breaking up
wut
William Torres
>Putin is the only thing holding Russia together
Stop this bs, Russia holds together by the government, Putin created this system and will be replaced by another official when the time comes.
Jaxon Taylor
>Russians try to pretend that NATO wants Russia destroyed and broken up
In fact, the West needs a weak and obedient Yeltsin-like Russia, from which it will be possible to slowly bite off the pieces of clay.
Grayson Watson
I doubt Russia is gonna break up anytime real soon. But hey what do i know. Im just a lowly no-fun Dane
Nathaniel Johnson
At least you're not a Sw*de.
Charles Wilson
>Dane
Is it true that Russians consider Danes to be traitors? Russia and Denmark have been allies in wars many times, but now Denmark is one of the most anti-Russian countries.
Nathaniel Young
All the nukes will be sold to China, because China has money.
Jeremiah Morgan
>35 rubles deposited into your account
Chase Campbell
>slowly bite off the pieces of clay
Oh yeah, evil west there to destroy poor Russia.
Yeltsin gave Russia strong economical growth by the time he was done, and relations were improving quite fast with the west until Putin fucked it up. Obviously Putin doesn't care because he peaked in popularity when he did so, and crying about the west gets him votes.
The west has far more to gain from good relations with Russia, where they'd gain a huge market to trade with, loads of cheap and easily accessible resources, a large power bordering China and serving as buffer zone and so on.
Nathan White
With Russia is gone it's a straight China-US arms race to the apocalypse. That's apart from the fact that you'd have an unprecedented amount of nukes freed, that would make nuclear terrorism a reality, and possibly would produce several nuclear states.
William Torres
>Denmark is one of the most anti-Russian countries
Not really, just like Finland, Denmark was always pretty neutral towards Russia after WWII. Nowadays the US simply tries to manipulate as many European countries as possible because it feels like it's losing its grip on the continent with lots of people beginning to realise European countries share much more with each other than with the US.
Gabriel Carter
Maybe a little bit but its mostly because Russia keeps invading our air space and our waters. but yea i like the Ivans.
Hunter Fisher
>share much more with each other than with the US
Lacking toilets, spreading AIDS and murdering people isn't part of my culture, thank you very much.
Carter Jones
Putin has like a dozen body doubles aged between 27 and 60. If Putin dies, his body double will replace him and he'll 'rule' for another 20 years.
Owen Thompson
You obviously haven't been to SF recently.
Mason Collins
>Yeltsin gave Russia strong economical growth by the time he was done, and relations were improving quite fast with the west until Putin fucked it up.
You cannot be serious.
Gavin Lewis
Clearly you don't have any idea how bad Russia is if you think that's a valid comparison.
Yeltsin left office with 10% GDP growth. Look at how it constantly decreases under Putin until there's almost nothing left. I know Russian propaganda was very successful at making it seem like Yeltsin just fucked shit up while Putin saved the country, but the numbers don't lie.
Yeltsin wasn't perfect, but the economy was completely turned around during his presidency, from a shrinking economy to successful growth. Either that or the presidents had little to nothing to do with it, which is also possible.
Jackson King
The economy had just shrunk 10%, so it just recovered 10%, it did not grew anything. Christ do you even know how REAL GDP growth works? Gorbachev and Yeltsin were biggest disasters Russia ever had.
Dylan Williams
Is "Putin rode a commodities boom to undeserved popularity" really a controversial opinion?
Easton Wright
We was neutral towards Russia after the second world war because we were a buffer for mainland Europe. We ran a footnote policy but still actively partook in NATO as well as we could without militarily giving the Soviets reason to become aggravated.
We weren't neutral because we didn't mind them/liked them
We were neutral because we had to be.
Currently our military is actually hunting for people to become language officers in Russian(translators with officer capabilities) harder than they ever have before.
David Martinez
Yeltsin "reforms" caused 1998 Russian default and no matter how many times you will repeat your dumb shit's attempts to troll it will not change the reality.
Connor Edwards
Remember that period of time when Putin wasnt president and was instead lead by someone exactly like Putin? Like the dude took classes on how to walk and talk like Putin.
Theres no shortage of them.
James Flores
>All the RUSSIA STRONK vatniks itt
Considering Russia has a habit of breaking down and breaking up every 70 years I dont see it as that unliekly
Joseph Wood
>Ikea ever beeing crushed by some gay weak pölsesucking lego humper
Keep dreaming danon
Nathan Russell
>muh loose WMD boogeyman
>implying russkies aren't spraying people with C weapon as we speak
Last time fall of Moscow happened, forces of intervention secured really quick everything that wasn't bolted down.
Gold, money, precious jewelry.
Can't wait to watch Czech Legion tearing Russkies new anus again on Transsiberian
Jonathan Wilson
He was in power though, he just couldn't serve after a certain number of consecutive terms so he switched off to be prime minister with Medvedev for one term.
He was always the one calling the shots though
Elijah Ross
I'm Russian tho. Liberation of Skånelandene and restoration of the Union soon.
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Nathaniel Turner
1520 BEST YEAR OF MY LIFE
Cooper Brown
Why is Russia Fed even gonna break up? What's causing this? Also, USA just wants Moscow to fall so they can claim Fourth Rome.
Lincoln Brown
>Why is Russia Fed even gonna break up? What's causing this?
Sodomy. Literally, Russkies are buttfucking each other as a sign of male domination. It's cheap than contraception , too.
>Fourth Rome
Unlikely, since the Greek Patriarch gave Kiev Orthodoxy long sought independence from Moscow.
Gavin Cook
We will go full Narva on your ass again
DELETE THIS!!1!!!1
Hudson Morales
So, literally nothing and Russian Fed is no more likely to return to 1480's borders than it was any other time.
Andrew Bailey
>We will go full Narva
And you'll end up getting full Poltava up your ass.
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Lucas Flores
>what are tendencies and latency
Yeltsin inherited a shit economy that kept getting worse and turned it around. Putin did the opposite and they're at the exact same point they were 10 years ago.
Because clearly famine, entire generations lost at war, civil war and communism were nothing compared to not being able to shout "RUSSIA STRONG".
Apparently it is. Russians get butthurt at the mere mention of Yeltsin these days.
You do realize GDP and state budget are two distinct things, right?
James Nguyen
Are you retarded? Wait, why am I even asking, you're ineducable troll that defends Yeltsin on the internet. Of course you are retarded.
Gavin Murphy
The West wants a friendly and open russia, a russia that doesn't constantly act like a nigger on the world scene.
Unfortunately for the west, the russian people and the russian government is locked by a niggerish mindset, forcing russia to act in a way even some niggers would be embarrassed by.
The only silver lining is that the russian people has to live in abject squalor, under the boot of the dictator putin, who robs them blind every day.
That is some justice at least, russians act like niggers, so they have to live like niggers too.
John Baker
>arguing about GDP
>backpedaling to inflation
You do realize Yeltsin left office once the inflation was back to normal, right? Late December 1999. You're also trying to make much of a point of a 1 year event. Should we take 2009 as a reference for Putin's party?
Eli Evans
Ever since 1991 the want was a Russia that was actually friendly and to do away with the Cold War bullshit, Russia however seems more than happy to double down on the bullshit for any possible scrap of “glory” they can claim.
Brandon Jenkins
>Default and inflation do not affect GDP
I take if back, you're not retarded, you're an imbecile. But then again, you are trying to justify an alcoholic faggot on the internet, so no surprises here.
Brayden Myers
>bite off the pieces of clay
Seemingly the West needn't do anything to accomplish this goal, as Russia is so adept at alienating its erstwhile Eastern European subjects e.g. Russia gains Crimea and loses the Ukraine.
Michael Howard
Russian culture and moral values are incompatible with civilized countries and the west, thus nobody will ever want their degeneracy to spread to EU.
How could anyone support a dictatorship that commits to these following things and makes life hard even for normal russians?
>Poverty, narcotics, HIV, mental health issues, homosexuality, alcoholism, low IQ, criminal behavior, indifference to all issues, low skilled doping athletes, physical weakness, suicides, government-level corruption, murderous and kleptocratic elite, degraded society, mass murders of western civilians, assassinations of journalists and political opposition, complete lack of freedom of speech, sick family values, total degeneration of culture, lying.
>This is Russia.
Dylan Taylor
>inflation
Just look at the data. Wasn't Yeltsin great? He completely stabilized inflation. No wonder he turned the GDP growth around.
>default
They can both have completely opposed consequences. And the state budget isn't the entire economy. Yet again, the economy got turned around despite this.
Levi Peterson
At east You agree about the buttfucking
Christopher Cooper
>Wasn't Yeltsin great?
No, he was not, imbecile, and your graph proves that. This shitty trolling won't get you anywhere.
Mason Howard
Is it a surprise that in a thread full of vatniks, there's a lot of negative propaganda on Yeltsin?
Don't be surprised, it's written in the basic vatnik propaganda, just like anti-semitism, anti-westernism and other degenerate russian values.
Pic related.
Nathaniel Sanchez
>He keeps trying
Lol. Find another topic to troll about, literally no one supports alcoholic faggot.
Parker Baker
How comes he is still wealthy and alive, isn't that because he struck a deal with Puton?
Cooper Jenkins
I think you might actually non-ironically be mentally retarded.
Jaxon Watson
Ad hominem already? You are slipping like a crane from sinking dry dock.
Austin Murphy
Majority of russians supported him, you have to try harder to earn your roubles :D
Putin, instead, is a weak leader, easily controlled by corrupted oligarchy and minor economic sanctions.
He has ruined the future of russians and that's one of the reasons they have been using internet propaganda for 15+ years (in Russia) to make it seem like all is good while Russia continues to crumble.
But you, you should seek help for your psychosis. Maybe your delusions about the current state of Russia will stop with proper medication?
Michael James
>he thinks people shitting on each other over videogames and a president that has not actually done anything and won't do after the next 4 years will break a country
Austin Davis
>He just can't stop trying
Have you forgotten to take your meds again?
James Martin
If Russia kicks the bucket, China gets all of the resources of Siberia and Central Asia.
In other words, he death of Russia would give China the tools it needs to become stronger than America.
And then there would be thousands of WMDs loose, a huge power vacuum in the Caucasus that would allow for a massive expansion of Islamist regimes (both Iran's in Shia regions and Saudi Arabia's in Sunni ones); add 1+1 and you get Iran and Saudi Arabia on steroids with heavily armed client states and nukes. Plus you'd get several factions fighting real hard against each other which would mean more migrants for Europe and a risk for escalation.
In other words, you break Russia, the USA lose, Europe loses, Islamists win, China wins.
Christopher Richardson
>s-stop b-bullying :..(
if only You weren't posting in subhuman
Christian Watson
>subhuman
Adrian Cruz
>posts russian news as "proof"
Better increase the dosage, your psychosis doesn't show any signs of stopping. It's okay to keep commenting though, mentally unstable people rarely identify their condition.
In the meantime, others can talk about the downfall of Russia that is accelerating every day due to severe economic and leadership problems and unrest among russians. This is expected due to Putin's incompetence.
Cameron Walker
M8, Chinese bugmen sucks big time at logistic. I'd rather expect them to starve several divisions on Siberian wasted, than to achieve significant gains.
Luke Russell
>Levada Center poll is not a proof because memes
You can't even troll properly without shitting yourself, lol. Why are you such a fucking loser?
Jason Green
Better take your medicine, you're starting to get very upset...!
It can be hard to let go of your psychosis-caused delusions about the grandeur of Russia and the competency of the old pisspant Putin, but it will get easier once the medication starts to work.
In the meantime, others can talk about the downfall of Russia that is accelerating every day due to severe economic and leadership problems and unrest among russians.
Dominic Foster
So, let me sum this up.
>Levada Center poll is not a proof because memes
>Schizo troll forgot to take his meds again
Yep, sounds about right.
Julian Young
>having to invade in that situation
>not just sending food, humanitarian aid, medicine, basic consumer stuff
>not just having your companies exploit all resources and operate all farms and factories
China wouldn't need to fire one single round, they wouldn't have any issue creating client states. The local Balkanised republics would be cut off from Moscow and from most of the country's production, with limited access to electricity, no wages, no medicine, and then some guys would step in, giving decently paid jobs to everyone, reopening the electricity, gas and water supplies, and even bring back functional hospitals, universities and cinemas. All of these would employ locals, with just a dozen Chinese coordinators/managers per city.
Boom, no invasion, no bloodshed, no international sanctions, and China now controls the resources of 2/3 of what used to be Russia, with the local population being grateful to them for bringing back food, central heating and salaries.
Adam Lee
Con't. Also, russian fall will be orchestrated like the fall of tsardom - with foreign elite forces intervention securing every valuable asset. In meantime, local warlords are going to gather remaining army and mob in a tight grip. There will be local nuclear exchange at some point, after which UN will flood Russian clay with soldiers from all the world. Until a new, reasonable government emerge on Siberia, while European parts of Russia will be partitioned between Finla.d, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Ukraine and Baltic states
Crimea goes to the US Marinws without doubt. And without a shot fired
Jace White
Again, you fail to bring ANY real proof and post shit instead - then again it's expected because of your strong, deep psychosis that affects your ability to think. Not surprising.
In the meantime, others can talk about the downfall of Russia that is accelerating every day due to severe economic and leadership problems and unrest among russians.
Brandon Nelson
>no argument left
>you're just trolling
>resort to insults
Look at the graph. Yeltsin inherited a shit situation and completely cut down on inflation. But then it doesn't seem that reading a graph is your strong suit.
Actually that's where I got this shit from. At first I thought I'd just cherry pick data to get the vatniks buttmad, but the more I looked into it, the more I found out that the truth isn't as they claim. Just look at the absolutely fucking seething vatniks. It clearly touches a nerve, even if they can't form much of an argument.
Angel Kelly
Dude, seriously, how old are you? Life is not Call of Duty.
Parker Cook
Are You old enough to know about Russian Revolution and following clusterfuck of civil war? Can You extrapolate to current situation, instead of throwing accusation like fucking ADHD underage with milisecond attention span?
John Moore
>just like Finland, Denmark was always pretty neutral towards Russia after WWII.
Only reason Finns were neutral towards Russians is because we were forced to pretend to be friendly with them at gun point. Most Finns despise Russians, at minimum distrust them. Only handful Finns like Russians. Traitors, Stockholm syndrome cases and mentally ill.
>European countries share much more with each other than with the US.
General dislike of Russia and Russians is something almost all countries that have shared history with Russia share. Countries that are genuinely friendly with Russians aren't near Russia or have barely any interaction with them. Less Europe has to do with Russia the better. Russians share much more with all kinds of shitholestans in middle Asia mentally and culturally.
San Francisco in particular has had street defecation issues lately and intentionally spreading STD's is no longer a crime in California.
>Gorbachev and Yeltsin were biggest disasters Russia ever had.
Only thing that prevented Soviet economy from imploding in 70's were Yom Kippur War and Iranian Revolution raising oil prices. Gorbachev and Yeltsin inherited a mess that simply couldn't be fixed.
It is the reality.
Luis Price
>break up of the Russian Federation
Are you retarded? There's only one Russia. Only neocon jews think they can somehow split Russia.
The US will split apart much sooner than Russia.
David Ramirez
>The West wants a friendly and open russia
Friendly = obedient in the Western language
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William Howard
>Countries that are genuinely friendly with Russians aren't near Russia or have barely any interaction with them
France and Frenchmen in particular suffer from severe cuckoldry to Russia, probably as the result of the disaster of 1814.
Jayden Long
>Gorbachev and Yeltsin inherited a mess that simply couldn't be fixed.
>Gorbachev
Yes, I agree
>Yeltsin
Just no. This guy literally ruined country to be capable solely rule a biggest chunk of it. Separatist tendencies in the Soviet Union were actually not so strong, even in Ukraine. Gorbachev wanted a democratic transition for the SU, Yeltsin just destroyed it, with all economic interconnection. If the Union had not collapsed, but had gradually turned into a democratic country, then its economy would have been much better, and millions of people would not have died.
Anthony Bell
The sole alternative to Yeltsin was bunch of unwashed Red Army drunkards, that were going to drown separatists in blood. Which actually would result with international outrage and speed up the dismantle of Muscovite empire.
Owen Thompson
Russia wants to be friendly with other countries.
Friendly=in Russian language means others being subjugated to Russia
>Gorbachev wanted a democratic transition for the SU, Yeltsin just destroyed it, with all economic interconnection.
There was coup, Baltic States and Georgia were more less out of union when it happened. Gorbachev was pretty much only one that tried to save the union after the coup, but it was pretty much everyone in positions of power in Soviet Republics that wanted to get their part of the Union, not just Yeltsin. It is mostly that Yeltsin and people running Ukraine and Belarus did nothing to save the union.
Asher Hughes
Much like a floating dry dock sinking, the unexpected may happen comrade ivan.
Mason Harris
>intentionally spreading STD's is no longer a crime in California
It is still a crime, its severity was simply reduced. It makes sense since HIV/AIDS isn't a guaranteed death sentence today as it used to be.
Isaiah Hall
>believing vatnik agitprop
Why would the "West" want Russian territory? It's full of Russians, nobody wants that. It's the same reason why no one wants to invade burgerland, then you have to put up with burgers.
Take your victimhood and persecution complex and shove it up your ass, you learn all about doing that during conscription anyway.
Eli Morgan
>Also, since Russia's economy was operating to such a large extent on barter and other non-monetary instruments of exchange, the financial collapse had far less of an impact on many producers than it would had the economy been dependent on a banking system.
see ivan
when people is no using money
money problems no problem
Oliver Edwards
>Yeltsin gets the worst hacks possible from the US to join his team
>Literal "my opponent eats babies" tactics are used by these 'super political scientists'
>it actually fucking works in russia
This will never cease to be hilarious
Xavier Price
Because then nato would have even less of a reason to exist, it shouldn't even exist anyway after the ussr collapsed
Lucas Bell
All former Soviet allies disagreed with that to the point where they needed alliance to keep Russia away and not become allies with Russia again. Friendly relations that in reality means occupation and subjugation. Also rape.
Leo Martin
the only countries to whom that really applies are the baltic states because they are tiny and too weak to put up any resistance making them easy targets.
Camden Long
>SoD Mattis
>commie/democrat
opinion discarded.
Brayden Mitchell
Somehow every single member country of former Warsaw Pact have seen that joining NATO has been in their best interests. Most likely Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine would prefer to be in NATO as well, but NATO has rules regarding territorial disputes... ones that have been caused by Russian sponsored non-state actors. Ukraine had Russian installed puppet as their president until few years ago, they had extremely friendly relations with Russia.
Chase Gutierrez
S-P-A-C-E
A-I-D-S
Lucas Price
To russians, adhering in mutual respect to a set of negotiated international law is being obedient to the West.
It is painfully obvious that all russia want is a """"sphere of influence"""", to be able to invade neighbors and subjugate Europe without intervention from the US.
The russians are truly niggers on both form and function.
James Jones
Nato would come to russia's aid before they were allowed to collapse, a few nuclear weapons and other things dissapeared after soviet breakup.