Can we have a black powder guns thread? What revolver is the best kind to get? Anyone have experience with them and or have stories about them? I wan to buy one soon.
I just had a dream where I was fighting zombies off of a train with a black powder revolver kind of like pic related and I realized black powder will probably be the go to gun powder after many years of SHTF.
>I just had a dream where I was fighting zombies off of a train with a black powder revolver
Jesus this is some Autism.
But to answer your question the pietta 1858's are good. They are of decent quality and appropriate price. You can't really go wrong with them.
One issue I've run into after owning three of them is that the hammer spring on a few have been too long.
And when you take the gun apart and put it back together the spring either wont fit back under the hammer, or will fit but wont let the hammer go back.
Just file a little off the top of the spring if that happens.
It was just a dream I had user, I had no idea why or what that means but all I know is that I now have to have a black powder pistol. Thanks though, will look into it.
Remington 1858 or a Colt 1851 Navy are both great starter pistols and can be very economical to shoot, especially if you want to cast your own round balls. I find the loading process to be a bit of a Zen like experience once you get the hang of all the motions down. Get yourself a snail capper and a good powder flask and measure and you're set as far as accessories go.
Remington is the ideal on the repro market, if you ask me. Ruger Old Army is a more solid, modern gun, but you can't change cylinders as fast.
I desperately wish somebody made a repro of the Remington-Rider Double Action Belt Revolver. It's basically a Remington navy in double action.
Where's the best place to cop a non-pooinloo Bess this upcoming sale season?
usually everybody gets a 1851 Navy
bump to make this /bpg/
>black powder will probably be the go to gun powder after many years of SHTF
Assuming some unlikely scenario such as the entire world entering into some sort of prolonged SHFT state (realistically, it's mostly local, and probably will get back into shape eventually), then sure, blackpowder would probably become rather common, as it would be easy to make with simple means, and you wouldn't even have to source cartridge casings or primers at the extreme end of it.
>Ruger Old Army
The Ruger Old Army is just rock solid, being the classic Blackhawk, but if it was a cap and ball gun.
Looks pretty, too.
ALWAYS buy the sheriffs model, and get a cartridge conversion cylinder, plus some rolling papers to make paper cartridges for your percussion cylinder. This is what it feels like to truly be a bad ass...
>cartridge conversion cylinder
Afraid to get your hands dirty?
As someone who has owned and shot the Uberti 1851 navy, 1860 army, 1847 walker, and the Remington 1858 new model army reproductions, I can tell you that my favorite is easily the 1858. It shoots the most without jamming up, caps don't fall behind the hammer and jam up the mechanism, and the cylinder, at least on mine, spins with the exact momentum and sound you'd expect a stereotypical western revolver to—something that not a single one of the muzzleloading colt revolvers do. I'd be willing to bet that you'd like the 1858 the most as well.
>rolling papers
Desu, there’s these things used for ladies hair dying they are like huge rolling papers but super thin and tough and cost like $4 for 1000
They are sooooooo much better than anything else for paper cartridges. I can even cut them diagonally and get 2 cartridges per paper for anything other than my Walker.
I have some in my Cap’n’ballz stuff lemme go find them
Can confirm all of this.
If you are going to have one, go with the 1858.
But they are an addictive hobby.
They are called “Super Jumbo End Wraps”
They work great, are super strong and burn clean.
cheers for the info!
I picked that up from this video. It really is the best method in my opinion
youtu.be
The only thing I do different is I just drop a few beeswax pellets from Hobby Lobby in on the powder, then drop in a Lee Alox lubed ball or conical.
Start with a lubed barrel and like 5 wax pellets per cartridge. Shoot a cylinder and see if you have a starburst of beeswax on the muzzle.
If so, you are good.
If not, try 6 wax pellets and fire. Just keep increasing like this until you get a little bit of beeswax left on the muzzle after firing a cylinder so you know you are keeping the whole bore lubed while firing.
this. 1858 is the superior design. also easier to clean and reload if you have spare cylinders. it also keeps going without slowing down as bad as the colts after fouling builds up
thanks for sharing thats a great tip and great video
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Another thing I picked up along the way are the “biodegradable” packing peanuts. They are made from starch, look like white Cheeto Puffs and dissolve in water. They are even edible...
Since there is no petroleum in them and they are organic, they play nice with black powder and natural lines like crisco, tallow and beeswax. They also create no fowling. Just cut them to size into little disks wads. You can get more than a whole cylinder’s worth out of one “doodle”
Anyway, if you are using reduced loads, they make great filler material.
They also help with 777 powder consistency if you add a little piece behind your projectile because they will compress as they pack everything to a uniform snugness, but not crunch the powder or overly compress it.
I shop online enough to have saved plenty, but you can get a cheap bag of them at uHaul stores and it will last a long time.
Just make sure to test them first. If they don’t dissolve in water, do not use them.
>lines
*natural lubes like crisco......
>fowling
*fouling
Jeez I need to proofread before posting
That's actually a pretty cool idea. I've just been sing cardboard wads soaked in a mix of beeswax and tallow to help cut down on fouling but that's a neat new idea.
Just last week I picked up a ratty-looking 1851 Colt "Navy" (in .44) by Pietta, with a spare cylinder, powder, balls, primers, and even a carrying bag, for $120. A previous owner had done a number trying to put snakes on the grips, and the loading lever barrel stud was loose, but I shimmed it with some metal from a soda can and you wouldn't even know there had been a problem. Timing is fine, and not too much cylinder gap. I can't wait to take it to the range.
I want to get an 1858, but $120 for a range beater with a lot of extra shit was too good to pass up.
Remeber they are just a filler, they don’t offer any lubrication, they just don’t foul like a styrofoam pellet would. You still need a bit of lube with them.
I would strongly encourage you to watch Shamans Forge Black Powder series on YouTube. He’s a little dry and matter of fact, but It will teach you everything you need to know.
A ball got logded half between the cylinder and barrel of my pietta. What do? Is it fucked?
Post pics
Something I’ve always been interested in. Hypothetically, would it be possible to engineer an automatic riflethat was reliable when shooting black powder rounds? I’ve seen an AK fire BP rounds on YouTube, but not even the almighty AK can function reliably with black powder.
Oh I love Blackie's videos. Been watching him for months. Thanks.
Ramrod. Shit happened to me once
BP guns are the only guns you can get here without a loicense® (not counting in airguns)
are pietta's 1858's any good?
they're cheaper than Uberti's and their cylinders appear to be cheaper too
Also, is a brass frame THAT bad?
read the thread before posting nigger
I'm sure an engineer could, but I kind of like the little to no restrictions on BP right now. IF some engineer goes full autismo you can smell the politicians ready to put ink on paper to file new restrictions
Also OP you had a weird fucking dream but I had a similar dream except it wasn't a BP gun.
Isn't he the IRL redneck version of the Sheriif from Mr Pickles? Love his stuff though.
You’ve got a point on that.. damn; the more I get to thinking about it, a civil war is what this country needs. I swear it feels like nothing is safe from politicians.
I don't understand why they stopped making the old army, it hurts
>why they stopped making the old army
Good news friend, they're back
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Not really, it fouls just too much, your gun will gum up in just a handful of shots.
Blackpowder was a choke point essentially, smokeless gunpowder was what made automatics and true machineguns a reality, due to leaving not even a fraction of the fouling in comparison, on top of not being rigidly married to case capacity, blackpowder NEEDS volume for power, while with smokeless you can have a smaller volume powder that produces higher pressures.
To illustrate the last part, you're familiar with the .45-70 (the only Gov't you need), well back in the day, if you wanted to make it more powerful, you really couldn't, not without making a longer cartridge case, so it could hold more blackpowder, such as .45-90, and .45-120, etc.
Enter smokeless powder, and a comparable in power load to the old blackpowder one, is a lot less in volume, so there's plenty of room to add more smokeless powder (however, old .45-70 cases were so called 'balloon-headed-brass', which is how modern .22 rimfire cases are made today, this was fine for blackpowder pressures, but has a very low ceiling for smokeless pressures, so it's only with smokeless powder AND modern brass casings that you can make .45-70 the absolute powerhouse it is today).
Since smokeless requires less volume of powder, you can design a cartridge which doesn't have to have a super long case, but can still deliver a good bullet at good speeds. Especially long cartridges could be a bit tricky to work with for some automatic designs (at least early on in the 20th century), and if your cartridge is easier to work with, it's far easier to make an automatic.
In short, smokeless powder solved not just the critical problems for making automatics, but also a lot of the practical ones.
That's pretty fucking steep, you can easily find them in the $600 range used, sometimes less.
I know, but at least they're making the damn things again. If nothing else it'll liven up the used market some.
Recoil operated or delayed blowback would probably be adequate for black powder.
You'll get the gun dirty too fast, unless using some less dirty modern substitute.
I use substitute. It’s a bit cleaner, but still dirty AF compared to smokeless.
I feel like I'm saying something dumb, correct me if I am, but can't you just have the action release some CO2 into the receiver/chamber like a can of duster gas? Like real quick as part of the mechanism of the blow back? I know it doesn't sound very.....stable...but something similar?
In the videos i've watched, the AK performs even poorer than AR-15. I guess it's due to the tiny gas tube that in AK's case ends with a closed gas-piston chamber, while AR-15's gas tube is open to the receiver after the gas hits the piston, giving you more room to accumulate fouling.
But generally, gas-operation as it is designed for smokeless powders gets seriously glogged up after few or few tens of shots. The tubes are quite narrow, so the entire gas tube itself might get clogged (just like your arteries).
Might an automatic weapon work longer (long enough for it to make sense), if the gas system had a bit more space to accumulate fouling? Or would it only result in loss of pressure to the point it would fail to self-load?
Pic related is the only way
Got the AR's gas system a bit wrong. But the fact still remains, there's still way more space for fouling to accumulate which explains why AR works longer with black powder.
Alright but what if we have two rotating barrels and a reciprocating brush to clean out one barrel while the other fires
Like one of those dildo fucking machines?
Yeah that might work
Not sure that'd work.
I was worried by it exploding or something, but then I was thinking it shouldn't be too hard to make it release as the gun has cycled open.
That brings me to thinking how you'd need to make sure you could apply the energy as needed, so you'd need a cartridge which is strong enough, which would then produce probably more fouling, which would then probably require more CO2 to work (if this even works at all, which we don't know).
I've seen someone load a 1911 pistol with a magazine of blackpowder, and it ran through them all, but I doubt you're getting past a second magazine, if that. I'm not sure the addition of some sort of automated cleaning process would help things, and I struggle to think of something which would work effectively.
So I wanna ask you guys something. I think that a machine gun running on BP concept would be possible, but not necessarily practical in today’s weapon technology. That makes me think of another question. In the case of a government collapse, we all know that black powder is fairly easy to make. What about modern smokeless?
From what I can tell from wikipedia, a single-base smokeless powder would be pretty easy to make. It's just powdered flash paper which is made by mixing nitric acid with cellulose and sulfuric acid.
You best be hoarding homie
Very interesting. That makes me more hopeful. What would happen if some tard loaded a shell with nitroglycerin?That’d probably be the cheapest. Lol How far does a hug of powder go?
It drastically Depends
8lbs of Pistol powder will last a loooooong time for 45ACP
1lb of H335 won’t make too many 45-70’s.
The stuff in the picture will last me a pretty long time. Years. But what I do is order 2# of whatever, then once that jug is out, I put the other one away and order 2 more. I do the same with primers. I do the same with ammo.
Say I go out with my 22. I’ll buy 2 boxes of MiniMags, go shoot one of them, and toss the other into an user can with other assorted boxes. Then once tha ammo can is full, I seal it up and buy an empty.
So I’m sitting on about 10 large dryboxes full of who knows what mixed ammo, about 8k primers, about 1k percussion caps, and +20 lbs of various powder
And I have acquired more since pic was taken.
>1lb of H335 won’t make too many 45-70’s.
lol, thats a way to put it
Rifled bores were initially invented in the pursuit of letting a gun fire for longer before having to be cleaned, the thought being that fouling would gather more in the grooves, and then that putting a spiral twist to the pattern would give much more surface area for gathering fouling.
Of course, then it was also discovered that if you had a ball projectile which fit the bore perfectly, and you forced it down the bore for a load (by greasing it up and using some strength), this musket would now be unusually accurate and precise.
Though in those days, not immediately practical for most muskets (as this was expensive, and the greased balls were really slow and troublesome to load), the importance was recognized, and the concept stuck around, mostly for military snipers and for more wealthy hunters, but it would eventually become a standard feature in the 1800's, the invention of the Minié Ball making it far easier to load.
FUCK! I forgot my point like the dumb sperg I am.
Basically, what if you applied rifling to the surfaces inside gas tubes?
Like it wouldn't work that great for a long-stroke or short-stroke piston, but what if you did something like a direct-impingement system? I don't mean like an AR15, but a real one, like a MAS49?
Like you'd get soot and shit spraying all over, but maybe it'd work?
What’s wrong with poo-in-loo besses?
I believe the first Maxim gun was black powder
What are the Jow Forumsest westerns?
Unforgiven has some great weapon variety, same with 2007s 3:10 to Yuma and Bone Tomahawk. The Quick and the Dead has some great revolvers, and while they arent set in the American West, Death Hunt and The Good, The Bad, and The Weird are set in the 1930's and have some western themes along with some pretty neat guns
I just want to buy once, buy right. I plan on using it a lot (and it will also be one of my HD guns since memes and im califag). Heard good things about veteran arms but I know the gold standard is pedersolis
3:10 to Yuma gets GBP for giving some people cartridge converted colt navy's and not just equipping everyone with Colt SAA's
The Quick and the Dead has some nice gun porn. See
Duck, you sucker is pretty good if long as all fuck.
3:10 to Yuma was a great movie imo.
Ya don’t say? I’ll look into that.
That’s a pretty good idea. If the gas tube has rifling, it would make sense.
And it did not fucking work at all.