Gentlemen, the navies of the world are facing their greatest threat since the German U-boat

t. Living under a rock

You need also an edition in Cyrillic.

I like that we've got a fucking fire emblem weapon triangle going on, where pirates beat shipping vessels, shipping vessels beat cruisers, and cruisers beat pirates.

It's the seaman triangle.

That's a real bargain, but we're going to need to get the added service package with irregularly scheduled updates for an extra five hundred million dollars or Congress will slash our funding next year. Can you promise you'll have it implemented four and a half years after the agreed upon date? We're in a hurry here.

Well, about that...

There was literally a thread on the Norwegian Navy in a cargo ship mishap yesterday

I didn't know Lockheed was in ship design

hey thats pretty good

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dump the cunts into the ocean

>five hundred million dollars
Double that and we have a deal
t. government

It can't be done. We all have to just bow down and accept the cargo-ship master race as our rightful conquerors.

>greatest threat since the German U-boat
And what would that be? Homosexuality amongst sailors?

Not gay if it's underway, bruh.

americans have no hope. just give their ships over to an actually experienced navy like the RN.

Try looking out the fucking window when you're on watch

Changing course is a pain in the ass for big ships.

Rock paper scissors, user.

I keked IRL.

Remember that Romanian sheep are an extremely dangerous payload. Just ask the crew of the Liman.

That's not really the problem. They're slow and steady. It's the warships that constantly fuck up.
It doesn't matter if you're the USS Big Fucking Dick, the slower bigger ship has the right of way.
And for the Fitz and the Norwegian ship, both were struck on the starboard side, which is a double big no no.

What it comes down to are these warships going "He'll move out of the way". And then about a minute before impact, they suddenly realize that no, they can't.

>WHOO lives in a shithole next to the sea?
>Sadiq al Said!
>Can't for fish shit, so a pirate is he
>Sadiq al Said!
>If nautical larceny is something you wish
>Sadiq al Said!
>Then surrender the ship, or be gutted like a fish

There is no 'right of way' on the water, no matter the vessel. Merchant vessels also need to consider the fact military vessels have holds full of ordnance. Half of Halifax was obliterated because of an incident like this and both the civilian and military vessels were found to be at fault.

There are conventions though. If the approaching vessel is on the starboard side, then you give way. If the approaching vessel is a sailing vessel, strongly consider giving way.
If the approaching vessel is a km long and over half a million tons, consider moving out of its way.

No slacking, death penalties for these collosal failures.

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ded

*Blocks your path*

>>Then surrender the ship, or be gutted like a fish

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Have you guys actually done anything since the Falklands, or is it just circlejerking over "Muh Trafalgar! Muh Jutland!"

Has ANYONE done anything since Trafalgar?
The civilised world's navies have focused on shitting on thirdies which by no way counts as "something"

Since Trafalgar? Yes.
Since the Falklands? Ehh. It's all Power Projection now. Subs are doing spoopy things and there's been that constant cat-and-mouse since the 50's but other than spamming surface-launched missiles and launching aircraft/helo's to go bomb shit.

Shoot, I obviously meant Falklands. It was the only post WW2 naval combat between almost equal powers (but barely).

Attack subs are pointless now anyways. The bottom line are and will always be boomers. MAD floating under the ocean at 3 kn to nowhere.
All other vessels are for shitting on thirdies and pissing contests about fishing rights.

I have to save this for posterity

>Attack Subs Are Pointless Now
washingtonexaminer.com/why-was-the-uss-jimmy-carter-flying-the-jolly-roger

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The Jimmy is a spook fish. Calling it an "attack sub" is misleading.
It's a unique boat designed around doing glow in the dark shit.

>Attack subs are pointless now

Nigga wut. SSN’s are the only thing that keep surface combatants and other subs in check while power projecting. We keep ours around because they’re the best thing out there to counter the Chinese diesel-electrics from fucking up our CSG’s 3,000NM from home.

>We keep ours around because they’re the best thing out there to counter the Chinese diesel-electrics from fucking up our CSG’s 3,000NM from home.
You're aware that subs have fuck all to do with other subs?

If old hippies in sailboats and borderline retarded fishermen can stay out of the way of cargo ships using AIS, I would think that people whose *literal job* is to be good at boats would be able to avoid these ships.

It's like that lighthouse meme story
They're too fucking cocky and think everyone else should get out of the way, not realizing that a huge cargo ship literally cannot

Make them join the navy, see how they like it.

Smug fatass cargo ships think they're so cool.

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>I don't know what attack submarines can do: the post

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Fuck off Tyler

Who is this great and magnificent "Tyler" that he owns an entire fact?

You'd think they understand basic physics better.

Their patrol frigate weighs in at about 5 000 tons. Your standard cargo ship weighs in at 100 000 tons (20 times more). If the cargo ship hits them, even at some pitifully low speed like 5 knots, they go 'splrk' against the hauler's bulbous prow, which incidentally acts as a mid-19th century battle ram.

How retarded can you be not to go "yea, that ship is bad news, stay the fuck away from it AT ALL COSTS".

>How retarded can you be not to go "yea, that ship is bad news, stay the fuck away from it AT ALL COSTS".

I don't think it's a matter of being stupid or not. The American 7th Fleet keeps having this problem because they're undermanned and put out to sea anyways. Which leads to command staff working far longer hours than, quite literally, humanly possible.
A human needs sleep. If you go on

Also there's suspicions that the chinese are fucking with GPS signals to divert transport ships into the path of military ships, so the military ship's tell them to stay at coodinates XYZ on bearing W, and the transport ships go "okie dokie" then the military ships don't notice the transport ships are completely off and coming at them until it's almost too late to get out of the way AND THEN the military ships try to pull rank and demand the transport ships avoid them which leads to everyone involved being unable to do anything.

kek

But that IS stupid. Tired as fuck overworked people cause enormous damage. Why don't they use short-shifting? 3 hours work, 3 hours sleep (and repeat). It's not as tidy as regular shifts (4 hours work, 4 hours sleep) but it improves rotational tempo, which is at a premium with smaller crews.

But that can be avoided by instating a simple rule such as "bigger ship always goes first, regardless of affiliation" which is honestly just basic intuition.

While 'How to avoid huge ships' (second edition) by Notas Leep is a great textbook. I personally thing this should be reintroduced as mandatory training for all naval officers and incels

youtube.com/watch?v=rAuwpUfObcI

How to Succeed with Brunettes 1967 US Navy Dating Etiquette Training Film MN-10283C

Yes. It is real.

That sounds like a lame excuse for poor seamanship by the USN.

That is the rule among civilian operators.

GPS is irrelevant. Or should be. A proper watch has at least 2 people using their fucking eyes. Cargo ships have lights on them. The bridge should know that there is a ship and what her course is just based on visual reports.
Absolute shit seamanship by these vessels.

3 work 3 sleep 3 work 3 sleep, and so forth is not good enough. You cannot have good deep and proper sleep after 3 hours. When you're awoken, you're brain is ripped out of attempting deep sleep. That's almost as bad as never sleeping in the first place.
Humans need long hours of sleep to function. This isn't some new aged SJW quackery. Humans fucking need sleep. At night, preferably.

>But that can be avoided by instating a simple rule such as "bigger ship always goes first, regardless of affiliation" which is honestly just basic intuition.
That already exists in basic seamanship training. All the bridge crew of those warships knew this. Or should have. There is no exact "right of way" on the sea. But there is a basic guideline of "Don't go in front of fuck huge ships".
This isn't even a modern problem.
In the 50s a Frigate got BTFO by a Carrier by trying to cross the bow during a turn. Commanding officer drowned so there wasn't a big fuss about it. XO fought it all the way through and lived. Forget what happened to him

>There is no 'right of way' on the water, no matter the vessel.
They teach it in basic nav. courses dude.. like sail always has preference over motor.

Please fix the meter next time

This. How is this not taught in militaries anymore.
I got my boat license not long ago and it pretty much said "stay the fuck away from anything bigger than you"

If Americans are already impressed by a substandard submarine class, imagine how impressed they will be with the new Chinese sub being built. They're dubbed the black hole of the Pacific.

>DE sub
>"black hole of the pacific"
Oi I'm laffin
Canada suddenly seems like a fucking super power

form a coalition to bomb them

>.05 Yuan have been deposited in your account

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Attack subs are there to remind destroyers that navies have no actual confidence in their ASW capabilities and expect them to all die in the first hour of combat.

>civilian and military vessels were found to be at fault.
How the fuck did they determine who was at fault from the remnants of the Halifax explosion? There was nothing left but a smoking crater and a few chunks of metal scrap

What about the small and sneaky tugboats

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they couldn't see the super stealth boat, duh

>There is no 'right of way' on the water, no matter the vessel.
Just stop fucking posting

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>mention the Falklands
>"Attack Subs are now useless"

that isn't the lesson most people would draw from that war

>even the announcement that nuclear submarines would be operating around the falklands was enough to stop Argentine merchant shipping to their poorly supplied troops
>the only time Argentine surface ships tried to directly attack the british taskforce led to one capital ship being torpedoed and the other never leaving port again for the rest of the war
>the tons of intelligence gathering and cloak and dagger work done by SSNs
>that fact a single poorly maintained diesel boat managed to tie up massive ASW resources despite having faulty torpedoes due to how easy it is to hide in the waters around the Falkands

the real lessons from the falklands are 1) SSNs are a massive force multiplier 2) home water advantage and accurate underwater charts count for a lot 3) if you stumble into a attack submarine sitting on bottom hidden next to a wreck or in a trench then RIP your surface group

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>the slower ship has the right of way

t. squid

Maybe read the rules of the road and you'll stop breaking your ships

Once again, look out the fucking window and that won't happen.

Do they not teach squids that radar is unreliable in the first place? The saying when I was still shipping was "if it's grey stay away."

Is it time? Do we finally bring out the iceberg Ships?

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wouldn't it melt?

The pykrete proof of concept took several years to melt.
And the idea was to refridgeration pipes in it

arctic theater baby

The big meme in naval warfare right now is automation and downscaling the size of warship's crews, ultimately they're gonna just have all warships be remote operated or only manned because the warship is just a mobile drone operation facility.

So expect the transport ship menace to get worse as the number of eyes to look out the window decreases, especially as the transport ships themselves become more automated and remote operated.

Pretty sure a tugboat could cut that piece of shit in half if it tried

Where did it happen to norvegians ? Eastern Pacific Ocean ?

Right at home.
Ship's totalled too.

I assume you mean the HMAS Melbourne.

5 years after she sunk that destroyer they even had an exercise about how to avoid to turnning 90° and getting rammed by the Melbourne. Of course, one of the destroyers didn´t get the message, turned 90° and got rammed by the Melbourne.