1914-1918

Yeah that wouldve worked. lmaoing at your life.

WW1 only happened because Bismark died.
That man pretty much held the peace of Europe together even as the birth Germany shook up the balance of power, seeing it to victory against the Austrians and French, and ensuring the country made sensible strategic decisions (keeping France and Russia from allying).
Sadly, Wilhelm II pissed it all away.

Yeah, huge leaps in technology.

Every country was ready for the war and had "good" reasons to do it. Even the civilians were ok with it (at first) thanks to propaganda. So basically it was unavoidable.

Shout out to the home front
>It's a ticklish sort of job making a thing for a thingummybob
>Especially when you don't know what it's for
>But it's the girl that makes the thing that drills the hole that holds the spring that works the thingummybob that makes the engines roar.
>And it's the girl that makes the thing that holds the oil that oils the ring that works the thingummybob that's going to win the war!

I don't believe war is ever a necessity in and out of itself.
BUT
If a war happens, it's because at some point something went horribly wrong and we are left fighting for the scraps; and if the alternative is worse then so be it.
tl;dr: War isn't ever good but it might be a necessary evil.

The phrasing I've started using is that war can be Just, but it can never be Good.

Of course it was necessary. How else were the Jews going to blackmail England into signing the Balfour declaration?

Necessary for what?
Whatever you have in mind, it was inevitable anyway. Not a single generation went by without war, and it was long overdue.

>Even the civilians were ok with it (at first) thanks to propaganda. So basically it was unavoidable.

Lessons have been forgotten.
We have women and transsexuals in the army because virtue signalling, we have weapons that are useless but are made because they are good for the economy and dick waving. We have people as generals not because they are capable, but because of quotas o adherence to a policy, we have military doctrines that assume that you will because reasons (at least Crusaders thought that God was watching after them) and finally we have politicians that believe that the enemy is a dog that you can kick over and over again and it will never bite you back.
The next WW will be worst than the previous two.

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WW1 was the necessary kick to the balls needed for generals, statesmen, and officers to stop sucking Napoleons arsenic flavored dick so religiously, unless you want even more Luigi Cadornas or zerg rushes towards machine guns with constant artillery bombardment in the foreground. Besides, all of Europe was ready and itching for a grand fight, both in regards to revolutions and empires/countries settling scores, and for as many bad things WW1 brought it did usher in for the time massive technological advancements. Only time will tell however if any lessons were actually learned if a new World War starts.

WW1 was the last gasp of real Empires, it was the popping of the zit that was European hegemonies. It had to happen for developed civilsation to move on to the post Empire age; were it not WW1 another conflict would have happened with the same results, probably followed by a WW2 analogue.

Industrialized total war does the opposite. The strong, self determined, confident, competent are the ones who get culled from the population. Europe’s current timidity is a symptom of two consecutive generations of those aforementioned men getting wiped out from the gene pool.

Geopolitical setup at that time would eventually lead to large war at some point.

>all the brave chads go and die
>all the women get pumped by the goblin hordes and weak beta males that are left

If anything it doesn't matter who you are in an industrialized total war, the killing is mostly indiscriminate and unavoidable, remember its normally the artillery that kills you.

>was war really a necessity?
God no, Austria-Hungary should have been less retarded with it's demands to Serbia and Serbia should have immediately arrested all the members of the black hand and extradict them to Austria-Hungary as fast as they could do it.

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>Euros
>Not killing each other

It was inevitable.

The problem is that and machineguns. People leading from the front have a VERY high casualty rate, even comparatively, and it's those people that are the best and brightest.

This would only be true if artillery targeted all servicemen equally.

It’s hilarious because gavrilo killed the one guy who would have made the Austrian-Hungarian empire into a federation of states. Franz-Ferdinand wanted a federated commonwealth, he knew the empire wasn’t sustainable in its autocratic guise.

There is no fucking way that would have worked though, way too many people were demanding their own territories back (not just protests and whining, but genuine terrorism and rebellions) and Austria-Hungary was already well into decline everywhere outside of Vienna and Budapest. If the Ottomans weren’t the sick man of Europe then that title would have been given to Austria-Hungary, and turning it into a US ripoff wouldn’t have accomplished much.

Maybe a confederacy like Switzerland was and still is would have worked. Those disparate people’s were economically quite tied to one another as well as through infrastructure. A blend of just enough autonomy but just enough dependence might have been a less difficult and more realistic sell.

Except in the case of modern warfare, it's the opposite. WWI and WWII were cases of Europe engaging in reverse-eugenics essentially. Almost every nation started off with a highly trained force (especially the Brits with their Expeditionary Force) and as time went in and those strong men died to the meatgrinder of the differing fronts, they resorted to conscripting weaker and older people.

Yes. We didn't know what war was yet. Now we know and can avoid it

war ensures all the strong and brave die leaving behind an emasculated or invalid populace

look at europe right now

nibba you would get culled in 8 seconds with that saved on ur pc

Yes but serbia should have been completely wiped out by all involved

>Shitty grammar
>"nibba"

I don't think you're old enough to be on here user.

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well that explains germany.

>war culls the weak.
>anime poster
obviously not well enough

Oh yes because the Germany under the Nazis was just so sustainable.

this is a meme argument, lots of technological leaps have been made in times of peace and even many of the ones made during war owe there foundations to shit done before the war.

90% of technological leaps of wars were already being worked on before conflict, they just get extra mention for being used in a war.

I gaurentee you you are the type of guy who discovered Jow Forums in 2012 and uses nigger to be cool and fit in while having a shirtless 50 cent poster in your bedroom you fucking massive autistic faggot

>37 million slaughtered
there were 37 million casualties. 10-15 million of those were deaths, including civilians from the Spanish Flu.

The War was happening sooner or later, Germany shifted the balance of power in Europe and the Frenchies were butthurt about the Franco Prussian War. England wanted as always to assert itself as the Hegemon, even with it's power and influence dwindling in favor of America.

The Austro-Serbian tentions and Princip pulling a jackass were just the flashpoint needed for the war to break out. The World was like ripe for another war, the international structure needed it to change from its stagnant model to "usher" into the modern world

IMO as an International Relations major, at first glance seems like the world is "ripe" for another grand country, its just that no one is willing to pull the trigger for another Total War scenario but it will come, sooner or later it will come.
And if WW1 tells us something, it just needs one brave fool to ignite the powder keg

>grand country
fucking brain, Grand War I mean

I think your missing the point. Hes saying that Germany population was already fucked before then.

>WW1, the brits want to fight to prevent germany from asserting more power in the african colonies and stay strong and ahead of america
>they end up making america rich as fuck as america could sell arms to the allied powers and they had to give up a bunch of middle eastern land
>WW2, brits end up giving up on all their colonies

Of course it will. We no longer have the horrors of a global conflict in our living memory and many sides have nuclear weapons.

"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

- Einstein

Good point. The anglos, however, still managed to ruin the Russian Empire and turn it's former land into area of non-competition. With the European Breadbasket torn apart, wheat from US Belt and Canada settled the ongoing dominance of food market.
And don't even get me started on workers. Long before that bumblefuck Ford started toying subordinates into cogwheels at conveyer belts; blue collars of Tsarist Russia were paid with solid silver coin. Countless wars, from US Civil war, to useless uprising in Poland, to Irish "independence" were sparked to fuel North America with cheap manpower.

>brits
>use world wars to try and destroy competition and remain in control of your colonies
>end up destroying yourself
>americans
>use desert wars to try and destroy competition and remain in control of your oil lands
>end up strengthing your opponents

Btw, how did the US civil war provide america with cheap manpower

>The War was happening sooner or later, Germany shifted the balance of power in Europe and the Frenchies were butthurt about the Franco Prussian War. England wanted as always to assert itself as the Hegemon, even with it's power and influence dwindling in favor of America.
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>The Austro-Serbian tentions and Princip pulling a jackass were just the flashpoint needed for the war to break out. The World was like ripe for another war, the international structure needed it to change from its stagnant model to "usher" into the modern world
And now AMERICA IS KING!

This. The guy who was a total shitter was in reality Oskar Potiorek, governor of Bosnia. That guy should've been thrown into a heap of cow shit, and left to suffocate.

Correct. When two armed forces have roughly similar overall size, equipment, and competence, the end result is them grinding each other into meatpaste. The best soldiers are killed by the best soldiers on the other side, untill only the second-line filler troops remain. It truly is reverse-eugenics.

Do you think nations will stop just because of a couple nukes?

It's the traditional way of things. A super competent guy makes a great thing, and if he lives long, he overshadows the people that should be in office making mistakes and learning. Instead, once the super competent guy dies, the people left are under-competent because they have been living in the shadow of a giant and never had as much of an opportunity or motivation to truly learn. It wasn't just Wilhelm II's fault, though he did have a lot of the blame deservedly. But everyone around him lacked a clear picture of how things really were too. Wilhelm was trying to just bully and threaten with military force to get what he wanted. He didn't mean to actually start fighting. Japan in WWII was like this too.

The Genrou (oligarchs/newly minted nobles) that were in charge for Meiji died out right before Japan commenced their path down to war with the US. The people in government were a bunch of beta cucks who were too focused on their own face saving and their own organization to have the balls to confront the truth, state it plainly, and take a stand against war. Ironically almost all of the main higher ups were all dead set against war with the US since they knew that it was impossible or highly difficult given the economic situation (they were in their own Vietnam with the second Sino-Japanese War).

This. All these countries were raring for a fight (except like, Belgium and maybe GB (they had a schizophrenic foreign policy full of mixed signals as usual, due to the quirks of the Parliamentary system, which made Germany think they could get away with their trespass into neutral Belgium, even though GB was technically among the guaranteers for Belgium neutrality)). Especially France and Germany. France was wanting to retake Alscace/Lorraine that they lost in the Franco-Prussian war in 1870. The irony is that Alsace/Lorraine was acquired by Bismark to protect the new German Empire's border, but became part of the reason for the next big war.

During the Russo-Japanese war, these lessons should have already been learned (and all the major powers had observers in that conflict). Port Arthur had machine gun defended trenches that was stormed by Japanese infantry with great losses to machine guns and artillery fire. It is hard to move institutional momentum though.

If it wasn't Serbia it would have been something else. Extreme nationalism and unsettled scores were at a boiling point in all of Europe and politicians were just looking for an excuse. It might not have been necessary, but it was inevitable.

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Nobody gave a fuck about Austria-Hungary or Serbia. Every military power in the world had a bunch of shiny new toys that they needed to test out on someone else. War was the only natural answer. Good thing too, the Great War was a catalyst for untold medical and technological advancements. We wouldn't be where we are today without the sacrifices of those brave boys.

He discovered Jow Forums in 2012 right around your fourth birthday.

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Russo-Japanese? They should have learned their lesson after the US Civil War, which even had trench combat.

>I gaurentee you you
Not him, but you're either a phone poster or a child. Either way, fuck off retard. I was lurking while you were struggling with Harry Potter books.

It's more that Bismarck created a system where actual power was reserved for the Kaiser with him more or less dictating how things are run under that authority. Which obviously backfired the moment Wilhelm II disagreed with him.

I meant that mainly how repeaters and MG's made charges fairly untenable unless with overwhelming forces and heavy bombardment (and even then we know how bloody those ended up until armor support). Even in the Crimean War, the proliferation of rifled muzzle loaders allowed the trained riflemen to engage charging cavalry with effective fire at long enough ranges to allow a relatively thin line (the "Thin Red Line" from that one poem) to defeat cavalry. And that was with no improvement to fire rate from the weapons of yesteryear.

Trenches and other fieldworks (breastworks and such) are old and predate the ACW by a long time. And for long term attrition battles predating the ACW, you need to look no further than sieges. The Crimean and the Peninsular Wars have numerous examples of trench systems to bring the attacking forces and siege artillery closer to the enemy fortifications. I suspect though that such a simple and useful field expedient was used for hundreds of years even before even these examples.

Bismark was an arch conservative though. To pursue any other system is contrary to his beliefs.

Fucking WRONG you stupid anime fag, it kills our best and brightest

>get hit by arty
>you are weak

Nationalism was a response to WW1, not the other way around.

War is never a necessity, but it'll happen anyways.