Is there a good reason for the Muhreen Core to exist at the size it is...

>So there's an independent branch dedicated solely to amphibious invasions, with all of the support personnel and equipment required for it to do so indefinitely attached to it. The Army can do amphibious invasions, the Navy can transport soldiers, and the Air Force can support the invasion, but none of them are dedicated to doing it with very little notice.
Why does it need to be independant? We have divisions in the army devoted to airborne assault. Why not a seaborne landing division? I'm not saying the marines as they are now don't fulfill a role, just that that role would surely be more efficiently fulfilled by placing it under one command.
Also when was the last time marines assaulted across a beach in a way the army couldn't do just as well?

>No conflicts of interest there, no siree.
You're going to have to expand a little on that point.

>Because it takes years of effort and constant practice to be able to land on carriers in all conditions?
It takes all that just to be able to fly and fight a jet fighter. They are already the cream of the crop. There's nothing special about naval aviators.

>It takes all that just to be able to fly and fight a jet fighter. They are already the cream of the crop. There's nothing special about naval aviators.
Starting to think you're an Airman boot. Nobody can be this dumb.

You have no idea what you are talking about. the Marine Corps is the whitest branch of the military service and the most male

>Why does it need to be independant?
So you can have a branch that is only concerned with invasions?

>just that that role would surely be more efficiently fulfilled by placing it under one command.
Yes, that command is the USMC.

>Also when was the last time marines assaulted across a beach in a way the army couldn't do just as well?
MEUs, user.

>You're going to have to expand a little on that point.
The Army needs to focus on a million different things just to remain intact. The Marines can focus their duties almost entirely on invasion. If you merge the two you're going to lose one of those capabilities, and you'll find that only one of them is actually necessary.

We already have unified commands. They do the job just fine, marines and soldiers work together.

>It takes all that just to be able to fly and fight a jet fighter. They are already the cream of the crop. There's nothing special about naval aviators.
Okay Senator user, please tell us how you're going to obtain the funding to keep all of our airmen current on everything they do at the moment plus everything naval aviators do. Hell, tell us how you're going to obtain the time for them to learn all of that.

>lets spend thousands of dollars to hand out an re-3 adsep
Training should be simple and comprehensive from the top down to:

>allow mass recruitment during the times of total war
>Foster independence from support units in the field

Oh yea? Prove it. In my experience in recruiting the USMC guys were all latino or black and recruited from areas that wouldn't give the Air Force recruiters the time of day because they were all white guys. Army was a mix and Navy typically stayed away from those places too.

Army and USMC need desperate people.

The Marine Corps has literally never missed its recruiting Mission ever. The Army misses its Mission frequently last year they were under their target number by 7000 recruits. Once again you have no fucking idea what you're even talking about.

Are you the same user? So are they white and most male or are they not?

>50% attrition from entry level kids
If they're already a Marine then they'd train specifically for the selection.. MARSOC attrition is like only 30% because they say exactly what you get tested out on and only take active duty dudes.

I was in the Marines and my company had 3 black guys out of 200 ish people

USMC is the most male branch, not sure about race.

>There's nothing special about naval aviators.
Take it back

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Super Hornet user?

Naval aviators are important because they focus a good bit on air to ground support.

Nah I'm not that cool. I'm a student naval aviator.

Sure. Ground forces need CAS and aerial combat is rare today. That doesn't mean it's not important to train for it.

Neat. What's the training pipeline like again? Don't you people spend a year or something on land before you progress to carriers? Is there any focus on combat before you get to carriers or is it just training to fly at that point?

t. not a chink

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>The Army needs to focus on a million different things just to remain intact. The Marines can focus their duties almost entirely on invasion.
Except that's not true. They've been used almost exclusively for 3 decades in a role you'd use an Army unit for. COIN, "nation building" etc.

And they do I'm just saying that Naval aviators has a specialty just like the Air Force has one

Royal Marines don't even let you apply without meeting a fitness requirement.

The Marine Corps developed COIN. We did so in the Boxer Rebellion, then in South America, refined in Vietnam, and now it is what it is today.

The Army is a bumbling stumbling massive force. It has its place in a total war situation but the Marine Corps is a rapid deployment unit.

You can't fool me, Xiang.

It's about two years give or take depending on your platform. Helo bubbas get to the fleet the quickest. Jet drivers take the longest. Everyone else is in between. Yea we do neverending practice on land before we even get close to carrier quals. If you keep making the same mistakes like coming in too low you won't be let loose on the fleet because coming in too low out there means you impact the flight deck and kablooey. Aerial combat maneuvers is still trained out at TOPGUN.

So the marines are not a specialised tool for assaulting across a beachhead at all? They have a thousand different things they do?

If you took the time to read about the capabilities of a MEU you would understand how it works.

The BLT is included in a MEU, yes.

I'm responding to your utterly retarded post so enjoy your (you)s.

The Marine Corps is built around the MAGTF, not the other way around. The core of the MAGTF is the MEU. An infantry battalion, a bunch of AMTRACS, a couple of tanks and arty pieces, and all the support elements they need to fight by themselves for about a month or so is nicely contained within an ARG aboard a Navy Ambhib. They also have all the air assets they need: Ospreys to deliver them to the beach, Stalllions to carry their heavy shit, and Vipers, Venoms, and Harriers/F-35s to do various levels of CAS/EW.

The interoperability of all these elements in the MEU is why the Marine Corps exists in its current configuration. They have a very closely shared history with the Navy which is why the ARG works in the first place. In theory, you could train Army battalions to do what the MEU does, and Navy naval aviators are qual'd on the F-35, Osprey, and Super Stallion already, so it wouldn't be incredibly difficult to retread a MH-60 driver to be able to fly Vipers. The problem is more cultural, because of the shared history and the singular focus of the Marine Corps as an amphibious force-in-readiness.

>All ground combat arms under one umbrella
Unfathomably retarded if you've ever seen how the army operates. It's enormous and slow and you need to suck off whatever superior to get things to happen. Spec Ops would suffer tremendously.
>Train zoomies to be Naval Aviators
There's already an incredibly different culture between AF pilots (of all stripes) and Naval Aviators. Navy/Marine Corps is half helos, the Air Force is like 10%. There ARE air force exchange pilots who are carrier qual'd, but the way training is set up (T-6 Primary->T-45's for Jet's, H-57's for Helos vs JSUPT) makes that a longer and more expensive timeline.

In short, it's better to have ground, air, and logistics all under one roof commanded by a full bird colonel to be able to rapidly take a beachhead.

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Kill yourself

I think the best arguements for retaining the USMC in its current form are 1) tradition and 2) unified combined arms. The importance of the first factor can be debated, but the advantage of having an all-in-one combined arms unit that can be deployed at short notice is huge.

All under a single service.

Welfare dispensation

It’s the “expeditionary” force. They are thrown at a situation to “expedite” the outcome of winning. It will always be a relevant force.

The term "expeditionary" in that context means to go on an expedition you retard. That's why MEUs are kept under active alert. Their job is to go on a mission ahead of conventional forces.

You are the retard. The term means multiple things. expediting outcomes is tied to expositions from sea to shores. How retarded could you be?

Expiditions*

I can’t spell expeditions

The USMC needs to be massivly downsized and increased in quality so that it resembles the RM. The US army also needs to be downsized and increased in quality. All this stuff about the marines being 'expeditionary' and the army not is just weird. Every other western country with a serious military (both now and historically) had an army built around expeditionary operations.

SEAL's and MARSOC need to be rolled into the same unit and have recruits only come from experianced marines.

USMC raids, US army invades.

To add. There is so much waste and repitition in the US armed forces. Fewer, better trained, more carefully selected soldiers would lead to better performance. In any serious wat the NG can be called up to provide the bulk.

We keep it larger than the entire UK armed forces for a reason, an obvious reason, Akbar

Because without it there would be even more non-whites roaming the streets comiting crime. Think of the USMC as a kind of minority daycare. Keeps them busy, and out of trouble kind of like the NFL...

This unironically.

Your quoting Bill Clinton!

Hold it there partner, most other nations can afford to build a military around expeditionary operations and have a smaller better trained force because they rely on our so called bulk to do the lifting. That’s why euro nations can show off about their shiny marines or sweep their trash rifles under the rug, because it’s ultimately irrelevant as we’re the ones doing most of the work

Is there a good reason for the Army and Air Force to exist? The Navy has its own air force and its own army, which ALSO has its own air force.

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We should dissolve the Army and fold the Airborne into the Air Force.

Because the Admiral's Revolt.

>roll marines back into the army
>adopt army standards
>US as a whole becomes weaker because they lose thier best fighters to shitty pt standards and lots of "Muh Vagina" tier policies

>roll marines into the navy as security
>marines that are bored cause havoc
>marines get bored on ship because being underway is boring as fuck and the navy doesnt do anything cool anymore (not counting CB's, corpsmen, SEALs, and pilots)
>marines manage to sink destroyers somehow

>marines get rolled into the AF
>MUHREEEEEENS TAKE OVER THE AIRFORCE BECAUSE THE AF WAS TOO PUSSY TO STOP THEM

Keep the marines in their own little shit balloon, iy you pop that shit balloon the shit explodes all over the place.

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>USMC typically recruits from the poorest and dumbest areas, also typically Mexican and Black areas too.
Historically speaking, those types of people make the best soldiers.

Same here. Most of the people here have no fucking idea what they are talking about.

>this is what crayon-eaters unironically believe
TOP KEK

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tradition and delusion

do more with less. a Marine unit at the battalion level costs less than the average Army platoon. I shit you not the USMC receives 6 cents out of every department of Defense dollar as of the 2017 budget

no... in fact they make the worst. Eastern Europe, the middle east, South America, Asia.. The average IQ from those regions was something like thirty or so points lower than the average western. According to the Intelligence in warfare. A comprehensive look at the essential component of victory (or something sorry I cannot remember the exact title.)

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Fear

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Fun fact the only country where the USMC is debated as being the elite shock troops of the United States is in the United States.... Hell even Venezuela realizes it

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The US of A's army can't be mobilized without a declaration of war from congress. The marines are a mobilized branch of tactics unit of the Army, and as such can be deployed by the president without a declaration of war. But where the marines go, so does the army, navy and air force and the marines are the biggest single unit in the army's reserve. It's about politics and proper procedure.

>marines get rolled into the AF
There's a lot of potential in this idea since USAF Spec Ops has never lowered their physical standards or yielded to gender quotas.
Just put the top brass of that special ops community in charge of the Marine Corps boot camp and make it like their indoc course, except in this case you can't just quit whenever you want to. Roll the Coast Guard alongside the Marines under this new tutelage, each goes back to their respective schools after boot camp/indoc, and let them keep their title of Marine and Guardsman.
To put it simply, combine the Marine and Coast Guard under the USAF Special Operations command.

Kind of a dumb idea though, but whatever.

Seems to me like a unified ground combat arms system would have more weaknesses than multiple structures working in unison.

>marines manage to sink destroyers somehow
Probably by raping the crew to death.

Your typical muhreen could be transferred to the Army as a regular, which is pretty much what they are. Take the top 20% and turn them into actual marines.

>Take the top 20% and turn them into actual marines.
This sounds interesting, but it would piss off everyone who's currently in the Corps.

Marines is supposed to be the US quick reaction force

Well the marines have a history of invading SA countries in order to protect corporate interests so there's that.

>the few the proud the two hundred-thousand