The conclusion to one of the most expansive series of 9mm defensive ammo testing is finally here. Watch the video and make sure you're not carrying shitty ammo.
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9mm Ammo Quest Conclusion
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Zachary Howard
this guy is a godsend for ammo testing. he's like the good version of Benjamin Paul Harrell. Harrel's a charlatan and a fraud and all his tests are total garbage. This guy does good tests!
Isaiah Perez
>12" the absolute bare minimum
>I've tested so many rounds that exceed 12" that there's no real reason to not insist on 12"
>I would not get hung up on that 11-3/4"
>11-3/4" rounded off, okay, it's good enough
I understand tolerating a little overexpansion/underpenetration in bare gel tests, but make up your mind, dude.
And I don't see a list of what ammo he tested (other than scrolling through a year's worth of video titles), but it looks like he just didn't bother testing the best 9mm ammo in existence.
Isaiah Garcia
>I understand tolerating a little overexpansion/underpenetration in bare gel tests, but make up your mind, dude.
I'd say that's more for you to decide. If you live in a cold climate where people wear heavy / layered clothing half the year then you'd probably do well to trade some expansion for more penetration and vis versa for a hot climate.
Ayden Taylor
Prob on of the best boolit reviews I’ve seen
Juan Stewart
>65gr meme screwdriver ammo with 0 expansion
Justin Peterson
Is the answer 147gr HST?
I bet the answer is 147gr HST
Matthew Gutierrez
>relying on expansion for terminal effectiveness
ishygddt
Gavin Jenkins
Sebastian Nguyen
Henry Hall
>missing the point of the round
Thomas Carter
what about fort scott 9 mm? Shootingthebull wasn't included in the tests but it performed better than screw driver bullets
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and it was the only 9mm buffman tested that shot through non soft armor level 3a
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Charles Carter
147 Winchesters won. I have an opinion on the testing and rounds that absolutely everyone will hate but don't feel compelled to type it out to get hate (you)'s. It's nice that he tested so many ammos but the best ones typically are in very short supply or the police buy them. It's also kind of silly that you need to buy the most expensive rounds possible to get "good" performance out of 9mm hollowpoints.
Ethan Walker
>but don't feel compelled to type it out
Don't be a pussy
Connor Harris
But user, the round isn't pointed, it's flat nose.
Blake Martinez
Sweet!
This guys tests are top quality.
Cameron Jenkins
best 9mm is a 45
Joseph Reyes
Holy Shit! He's back? Based. Missed this guy. TNoutDoors is making ballistic videos again too. Very cool
Aaron Barnes
Type it faggot I wanna hear it
Wyatt Scott
Also, SG Ammo has 147 gr Ranger SXTs right now actually. I'd probably carry 147 as well if I had a sub compact or pocket 9
Jaxon Hughes
Arguing about calibers and ammo has worn part of my soul down. I don't think I can do it anymore. Let the thread die with dignity.
Jaxson Clark
>Let the thread die with dignity.
No.
Eli Diaz
Juan Peterson
Brody Perry
Luis Rogers
Lincoln Moore
You have terrible writing skills. Just thought you should know that
Camden Kelly
Brayden Ward
Brayden Barnes
What the FUCK are you talking about?
Ayden Rivera
Based schizo poster
Michael Cook
Well...this thread went to shit fast.
Kevin Turner
What have you chumps been doing all day, talktotransformer.com posts are all over this board now
Camden Roberts
Liam Smith
>What the FUCK are you talking about?
I mean, I've seen shit but the thing that makes it all so fucking hilarious is: the people who aren't the most "funniest" about it can't help but laugh at it and get offended when the person calling them out shows up to yell "YOU CAN'T COME IN THE BACK" or "YOU TAKEN MY TITS! I BET YOU BETTER PAY MORE FOR YOUR ASSES!"
The person screaming at me is an 18-year-old kid and his girlfriend, and the idea that she might not be very funny or pretty at times is just fucking fucking hilarious. That's just crazy to me. There's a lot of people who think the best way to be appreciated is to treat people like objects or commodities, and I totally agree with you that not every little thing with your ass deserves to be celebrated in the same way every little thing with your ass with everyone else. But being "funny" or "cute" or "pretty" doesn't mean you should be treated
Benjamin Reyes
Test
124 grain
Vs
147 grain
Thinks he is being objective
No he is not.
Liam Martinez
so he tested bare gelatin and denim.
The FBI tests have more barriers than those two.
Leo Murphy
Are you the FBI or are you joe shmoe who needs a good cartridge for SELF DEFENSE?
Ian Diaz
>Are you the FBI or are you joe shmoe who needs a good cartridge for SELF DEFENSE?
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Jace Williams
Oof, are those Hornady rounds? I've always been dubious about the expansion of Hornady Critical Duty/Defense but they are reliable, quality made rounds. I just doubt the expansion claims of manufacturers regarding most pistol cartridges out of handgun length barrels.
Carter Sanchez
What kinda steel leaves the projectile intact?
Jackson Evans
David White
JHP's clog up. It's why the twisty boi rounds have been gaining so much popularity as of late.
Jeremiah Martin
>muh .380 is just as good as 9mm
guess not
Asher Price
135gr Critical Duty, 124gr HST, and 147gr Gold Dot.
In the sheet-metal barrier test that pic represents, the Critical Duty penetrated 28.5", HST penetrated 26", and the Gold Dot blew through 32" of gelatin and disappeared downrange.
The 90gr XD was only slightly deformed, and penetrated 22.5".
Isaac Lopez
Good hollow points don't clog you fucking retard. Meme screwdriver boolits don't actually tear up real flesh like a block of gel, they have a different POI, they put a shitload of copper fouling in your barrel, and infect the user with the big gay.
Ayden Ward
>Gold Dot, HST, and Critical Duty aren't good hollow points
OK, why don't you tell us what hollow points are actually good?
>Meme screwdriver boolits don't actually tear up real flesh like a block of gel
Not exactly the same as gel, of course, but they absolutely tear up real flesh better than JHP, more proofs incoming.
Dominic Phillips
>MFD (Monolithic Fluid Displacement, aka XP/XD or Phillips-bit) pasta, adapted from desuarchive.org
split into concepts (what the MFD bullets supposedly do and why it's worthwhile), evidence (videos/tests supporting that the MFD bullets actually work as claimed).
Concepts: (see pic)
One-line version More details Discussion on the various velocities claimed as magic thresholds, and why bullet design matters Evidence:
Not scientific (sample of 1 for each bullet/barrier combination is trash), but very good demonstration of how JHPs are prone to failure on barriers, but XPs just work by default:
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Demonstration in gel and dead meat:
Comparative ballistics study: viperweapons.us
John G's meat shots in this thread: thehighroad.org
Hunting/autopsy, XP in magnum/rifle cartridges -- shows the bullets working as intended, but may not be persuasive regarding handgun calibers and velocities:
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Hunting, AR9 subsonic XD (no autopsy, but clean kills):
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Hunting/autopsy, handguns:
subcompact 9mm XD:
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1911 .45+P XD:
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Jace Sanchez
>meme bullets bad
Tell it to skynet.
Colton Campbell
Haven't seen much testing on FSM, but they were mentioned in that Viper/"Joint Agency" test as being rather unreliable because they would sometimes icepick instead of tumbling. They said this tendency was even worse in dead meat than ballistic gelatin, with a 50% failure rate for 9mm.
Additionally, even when they did tumble, while the permanent cavity in dead meat was bigger than FMJ, it was smaller than JHPs or XDs.
Now live meat is certainly not the same as dead meat, but if it's not reliable in either gel or dead meat, I don't expect it to be better in live meat. Open to being convinced otherwise, of course.
To me, terminal performance in meat (with and without typical intermediate barriers) is much, much more important than defeating armor, so with XDs seeming to destroy more tissue, and to do so more consistently, they're the obvious choice.
Nathaniel Cooper
I love how this guy debunked the G2 RIP ammo a few years back.
Lucas Myers
They should do more ballistics gel tests like he did with the pig skin and ribs in addition to the denim.
Adrian Myers
Honestly the POI shift is the only thing that has ever bothered me about these light and fast rounds. I already favor light and fast cartridges so getting that performance across a wider variety of chamberings already seems like a big plus.