Millennium Challenge 2002

B-but the greatest ally

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You’re right I don’t but to throw away lessons that could help your country in favor of supporting your career seems just plain childish and borderline treasonous.

While I agree that the military should have learned some lessons about asymmetric warfare, didnt the guy use some weird ass hacks? (Boats carrying armaments that were way too heavy for it to carry or something?

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t. not gonna make rank

he played within the context of the war game. Still a game. They never initially said it had to be realistic and follow the laws of physics.

Enjoy your career as an 0-3, loser.

from wiki page, red team used small patrol boats to do recon on blue team navy, red team also used WW2 style equipment like spot light or bike messenger to counter the electronic surveillance system used by blue team.
To make it short, that retired general used knowledge from the past that other general completely forgot and that led to the defeat of blue team

What about hand waving missiles that weigh a ton onto boats that weigh 1/2 ton, and instantaneous motorcycle messengers?

These things were abstracted, not physically executed, which allowed Ripper to do things that weren’t physically possible.

The Navy wanted a dog and pony showcase of their technical systems and Riper wanted to play a war-game.

The digital/abstract wargame was timed with physical exercises. These physical exercises required a lot of prep and couldn't be just canceled because the abstract wargame didn't go how it was supposed to. Also, lightspeed bike messengers and RHIBs with silkworms.

because bike messengers can't use simple phones, right.

If they did, bluefor could intercept the signals. That was the entire fucking reason of using bike messengers.

That wiki is extremely misleading to the point where it’s clearly on purpose.
Those things didn’t physically happen. They were simulated in a turn based computer war game, and van ripper cried and whined every time the laws of physics were applied to put realistic limitations on his light speed couriers and carrier killing cessnas.

People who believe the MC2 hype in current year +3 are basically reddit tier.

Why do I believe that that US war-games are utterly useless training tools, mostly designed so officers (and defense contractors) can pat each other on the back over how well acquisitions are going?

Because US fuckups are open to the public. No other county really has the fiscal and otherwise transparency that we have. Pic related is our actual USAF budget, totally open to the public because Congress has to approve it.

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The joke is MC2002 misleading the US military into overconfidence in dealing with asymmetric war.

The punch is when Iran actually does sink an aircraft carrier.

and because a war-game gets reset so that the MIC can continue to wank over their 'network-centric warfare' as if a plan survives first contact.

Just like F-35 wins and scripted pilot responses.

This is an argument for people who believe that pointing out huge, fundamental problems in the way the Navy does things doesn’t count because of a few irrelevant minor details like the motorcycle vs. phone thing.

It probably won’t matter because we almost certainly aren’t getting in another big war before the government collapses, but there are lots of reasons - from MC2 to the development of missiles like the Brahmos - to believe that our carrier-based fleet isn’t anywhere near as invulnerable as we’d like to think it is. But we’ll just go on ignoring the warning signs.

Again, the reason the simulation was forced is because there were real world excesizes timed to the wargame, and they were unable to be canceled. The US gets fucked by redfor in most wargames, that's the fucking point. Stop making up shit.

americanthinker.com/blog/2019/03/rand_corp_wargames_us_loses_to_combined_russiachina_forces.html

breakingdefense.com/2013/09/wargame-predicts-army-loses-high-tech-edge/

theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=597

Yeah, that tragic, fictional event. Thousands of fictional lives lost in an instant. Fictional widows and orphans crying and getting fictional folded flags.

Read this transcript of the actual top level military debriefing of MC2002.

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You pretty clearly have no idea what actually happened

>transparency
> classified procurement has the biggest budget

The state of American education

And the most expensive system in history is third on the list. Also, try finding anything on Russia or China's classified budget.

>exercises
>war-game

One of these things and the only reason to have them linked is for wank.

shit was so fucking stupid. It was not a war-game.

The Navy said the exact same things when Billy Mitchell tried to warn them that the development of better aircraft meant the day of the battleship was over. Luckily the US Navy of the day eventually accepted reality, but the fates of the Repulse, Prince of Wales, Musashi, and Yamato showed that there were lots of admirals out there who weren’t ready to do that yet.

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"The exercise, which ran from July 24 to August 15 and cost $250 million, involved both live exercises and computer simulations.":

If they had shot down the vehicles bringing troops on shore in the abstract wargame, they could not have done the real-world landing exercise. Because those real-world exercises required months of planning and such, they took priority. In fully digital wargames like , there are no such restraints and the US looses, as it should in a proper wargame.

Is your argument that this shit wasn't just officers jerking off onto a biscuit?

They aren't minor details. Nothing about his strategy could have ever worked in the real world.

This isn't an ambush by SSK in confined waters, multiple bombers spamming cruise missiles or ballistic anti-ship missiles in confined waters.

Magic Cessna, 1 ton boats mounting 20 ton missiles and invincible light speed bike messenger C3 aren't going to sink a carrier. Preparing for them is stupid.

Have you read anything I've said?

One more time: The digital wargame was accompanied by physical exercises. The limitations of the real world in a peacetime state, and the need to do pre-planned real world exercises, meant the simulation was forced so those real-world exercises could still take place, as they required actual movement of equipment and deals with countries/etc that could not be done on a short notice.

Fully digital wargames as shown in have no such limitations and result in the US loosing, as it should in proper wargames.

What don't you understand about it being fucking pointles, and therefore, firmly in the realm of flag officers creampieing each others wives?

Okay, gotcha, you're retarded.

An exercise that you happen to call a wargame and pretend has any validity in testing tactics or logistics is wank and a waste of time. I'm sorry you're too retarded to agree with what you are saying yourself.

I'm glad you found a way to jack youself off after all this time.

youtube.com/watch?v=9aoWNyKYX6o

A clear example of witchcraft according to the USN.

>rocket pods are ballistic missiles

nigga you dumb

shit dude are there still people on this board so uneducated on the sniveling bitch ripper was?

it's like a never ending flood of people who think pentagon wars was a documentary.

there are a lot of useful idiots in the US who get cognitive dissonance when their negative view of their country is challenged

You forgot one thing faggot
>Press F to pay respects