Canada New Fighter Jet

>the Americans are never going to let anyone except maybe the Australians and Canadians
Don't forget about (((them))). (((They))) already have authorization to perform maintenance not under the auspices of Lockheed Martin.

Didn't Israel literally sell US fighter secrets to the USSR during the cold war?

Also why is there a weapons thread on /n/?

>Didn't Israel literally sell US fighter secrets to the USSR during the cold war?
It would be easier to list the ways (((they))) haven't fucked us. Don't forget about the diverted nuclear material.

You don't get it at all.

The US military industrial complex is basically Apple.

The entire goal of the system is to propagate itself and encourage adoption by as many 2nd and 3rd-raters as possible.

You think it matters how many F-35s Japan has? They are not a realistic military threat to anyone, nor could they defend themselves from any invasion by, say, India.

The whole point is that by buying into our BombTunes app or whatever the fuck you want to call it, we own them.

It is a concrete military and political goal, and has been for decades. It's why we outsourced all of our manufacturing jobs to China; by letting them pirate our products, we subsume their civilization without firing a shot.

We need something that operates in heavy winter conditions (our fighter squadrons are in snoy Cold Lake and Baggotville), and protect the north. We have $19 Billion from the liberals for new fighter Jets.
The conservative gov(which will get voted in, maybe a majority), will likely increase this alongside a bigger presence and commitment in NORAD.
eh, but is Gripen the right plane for Canada down the line 30 years from now?

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>I am really hoping for the F-35
deer god I hope we dont go for that moneypit

The Super bug is probably the best option as far as training flight and ground crews
I like the Gripen and it would be a nice fuck you to the states

sort of, they are pretty much bought for parts, take 2-3 clapped out shit aircraft and build 1 slightly less shit aircraft

the bottom left looks like steven harper

contrary to the memes they are not being trusted because of the >greatest ally still gets plenty of free shit dont worry.

There aren't exactly any alternatives.

The F-35 is less of an aircraft and more of a network hub for the weapons that will be important for the next 50 years.

Buying anything else is like buying a 56k modem instead of a 5g cell tower. It might seem relevant to whatever shithole you are living in, but...

eh ...
what does the RCAF really do?
1) fly up and tell Ivan to take his WWII era bomber back to Vodka land every few years. it was a job the f 101 voodoo was perfectly capable of
2) pretend to help America bomb Arabs in tents. fuck we could be just as effective by offering emotional support.

the super hornet is still the most cost effective option overall (minimal retraining of pilots, and ground crew), and therefor the best choice.

what the canadian af really does

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pretty much the same shit it's been doing forever

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fuck they were doing it back in the f104 days before Photography was invented

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F35 a shit

>buying expensive fighter jets
>with even more expensive primates inside them
>in 2020
Is there any particular reason manned fighting vehicles in general are still a thing? It’s all fly-by-wire these days anyway, nobody actually flys the plane by hand. Why would the living brains that oversee them be anywhere near where the dying is happening?! That’s what we have ‘enemies’ for.

F-104s were kino as fuck. There is TF-104G for sale that basically needs an inspection and reassembly for a cool $325,000 through Courtesy Aircraft.

Australia should never have agreed to the F-35 in the first place, except for the fact we're too busy sucking up to the US to be able to review the project on its own merits.Tens of billions of dollars of wasted money for a jet program with numerous delays and cost overruns, and is woefully unsuited for Australian conditions.

>can't run on warm fuel
>hangar needs constant dehumidification otherwise it'll corrode from the weather
>limited anti-ship capability
>can't even be used from our new not-quite aircraft carriers

well the plan was for the submarine force to take care of anti-ship needs but the Collins-class being a disaster has really ruined that. Cant really blame the F-35 for that quagmire.

The JSDF is actually a very capable force.

Until recently they would been able to fend off China. Now China is modern and large. While the JSDF has aging equipment.

The F35 and some "helicopter destroyers" is the first step in a modernization effort. They are also developing their own stealth fighter.

What do these jets actually transport?

>nobody actually flys the plane the hand
stop watching anime, everything in the Air Force is done by hand still that is crucial.

The main thing that promotes autonomy is image processing and "machine learning"(statistical algorithms iterated trhough a "learning" process").
These guide pilots but aren't advanced yet when jammers and other disruption techniques come into play.
There's a reason why VFR is required at every air base; pilots can operate without IFR.

Weapons

freedom

Id wager that the JSDF would still be able to fend off China in all but a total war scenario. Unless the chinks were %1000 committed it would be too costly for them.

>spouting easily disproved pierre sprey memes in 2019

>It does what we need and does it reliably
You mean collect dust in the hangar?

It depends on what you want to do.

Gripen for policing airspace.

F-35 for wars against anyone with remotely decent air defense systems.

Most likely f-35s.
In my head I'm thinking CRJ-200s with hardpoints since leafs have been doing really stupid shit recently like with the Aussie f18s.

Is there a reason why F-15SE isn't even in consideration?

the silent eagle is a giant meme that even boeing isnt bothering with.

Does the 'SE' stand for "Special Edition"?

no, it stands for silent eagle.
its a 4.5 gen with stealth "features" (I.E. they canted the the vertical stabilizers and called it a day)

Why the fuck would Canada get anything besides the Tempest or some sort of Bombardier-built jet?

Wew he went over your autistic head.

LET'S BE HONEST: THE ONLY PLANE CANADA NEEDS IS AN A-1 SKYRAIDER, BECAUSE THEIR SHIT ISN'T IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT BEING ATTACKED.

also canadians are faggots.

>sort of Bombardier-built jet?
this might actually be a real viable option with the recent Bombardier / Airbus merger. In terms of national sovereignty the Typhoon makes a lot more sense than the f35

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the typhoon has been a cluster fuck since day one. it puts even lockheed to shame.

if they had any sense they would avoid it like the plague.

Canada's Air force must be able to cover the huge swathes of the Artic which means a single-engine plane is probably a bad idea. Also its main task will be intercepting Russian aircraft so it should be an air superiority fighter rather than an attack or multirole fighter. I don't think the Gripen is fit for the job. The F-35 isn't really a choice either on that front.

Serious question, are modern fighters capable of utilizing ILS'es/instrument approaches?

>the typhoon has been a cluster fuck since day one

Yeah nothing like that smooth, well run project, the F-35.

>limited anti-ship capability

We funded integrating NASAMS onto the F35

>can't even be used from our new not-quite aircraft carriers

We bought the F35A, the B/C versions launch from carriers. Secondly, the LHDs were bought for enabling an amphibious landing (officially only unopposed ones) and supply the force ashore for a set amount of time. Not to be an aircraft carrier.

The Spanish versions of our LHDs have increased fuel and weapons storage to make the F35B usable off the ship. But even then it was just to enable to Spanish to train carrier ops while their real carrier was docked or out of service.

Also, we barely invested in the program, we are buying the jets like we would any other model, although we do get some local manufacturing orders out of it. There's no other new decent option, F22 is dead and buried, the rest are trash designs from europe or the 80's.

The rest of your points are retarded like yourself.

>typhoon has been a cluster fuck since day one.
so perfect for Canada then. perhaps we can get some second hand ones for twice the price of new

single engine failure rates are approaching or beating older twin engine designs

>eh, but is Gripen the right plane for Canada down the line 30 years from now?
hushkit.net/2019/04/15/flying-fighting-in-the-gripen-interview-with-a-swedish-air-force-pilot/

This guy seems to like it, but he might be a bit biased...

What went on in the typhoon development makes the F-35 program look like a walk in the park. Even the Russians haven't fucked up so bad.

Unironically the SU-57.
>fuckhuge payload
>cheap
>easy to maintain
>maneuverable as fuck
>best radars of its gen
Plus if they go to Russia they can maintain sovereignty

Why not one of those new F15 Stealth Eagles if they are just going to use it as a bomb truck/bomber interceptor

The stealth eagle has a reduced capacity compared to the other eagle variants. Hence why no one is buying it.

I'm afraid that Americans would stab us in the back one day and make our F-35s useless.

I’m afraid that Americans would just carelessly release the master control codes, and accidentally stab us in the back. They’re not all that good at keeping secrets. I’ll put up with that bullshit on my cellphone, but with big ticket weapons like this full ownership of the hardware and software would seem to be a bigger deal. I believe the Sweds are offering that full ownership where nobody else is.

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I have no idea but it would be very weird if they couldn’t. They have very versatile software-defined radios, it would just be a matter of code. They refuel at regular commercial airports when they fly themselves around the world commuting to work, they would need to be compatible.

Yea. The ICLS/ACLS system on the carriers is pretty neat...fun to look at.

>In this thread

Delusional people who think Canada can maintain an air force. We're having trouble just training and hiring people to fly, fix our current fleet of planes. Drones and AI are much better defence investments to make as well as building a better naval fleet.

Why would Canada need jets? They should invest in more helicopters, not fighter jets.

so you're saying they made the F-35's extra rusty or something?

the chinks already have backdoors to everything you own, so whats the difference?

>buying a plane that isnt even guaranteed to be produced
that thing is a flying TORtanic.

bad photoshop

>t. I can tell

>bad shoop
Are these pixels and purer?

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>Really bad shoop
damn, desu.

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Yes they are. Older Fighter jets rely on outdated pieces of equipment that are only used for them.
Newer ones use GPS systems and other things I beleive.

Our Cf-18s are almost dead. We need to defend our northern airspace.

That's fucking retarded, user.

>badshoop
Hey, I made it myself! Hardly claiming pro skilz, but what didn’t you like about it?

I'm just busting balls, m8. It's actually breddy decent.

The Typhoon has a higher unit cost than the F-35, yet manages to be less capable. Considering Canada’s generally stupid procurement practices over the past few years, they just might go for it.

Gripen is built for Sweden. The landmass of Canada is 10 million km2.

>if you cannot afford the F-35
We get them at US Mil prices. Ie. Less than 100M dollars currently. If you can't afford a 100M jet you shouldn't be shopping for jets.

Lockmart is advertising sub-80 mil prices for the next production run. It’s cheaper than both the Eurofighter and Rafale at this point.

The current 100M prices are low-rate production. If the flyaway cost was more than 80M I'd be surprised.

It's a 24 Billion dollar contract, we can buy a few.

>single-engine plane is probably a bad idea
Where did this retarded meme come from anyway? If you want a reliable aircraft you look at how reliable the aircraft is, not some factor that could potentially affect its reliability.

How does the Japanese F-35 crash affect the reputation of the platform

Does it really matter? The Canadian armed forces are literally irrelevant.

Jets have no reputation in the media until they are released, do their job and the media forgets about them.

Given the fact that only the Japanese-built 35s are being grounded after the crash, I don’t think many international buyers are concerned.

Rafale or Typhoon.

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More expensive and less capable.

Name a single time where the Canadian Air Force did anything.
I'll wait.

go back retard

>muh higher unit cost

When will people on Jow Forums learn that flyaway cost is the LEAST important metric in a planes TOTAL cost?

Well, considering the F-35 only uses 1 engine instead of two, with engines being the most maintenance-heavy component of an aircraft, I don’t see how you can argue the Eurocanard is cheaper in any way. Plus, F-35s are more advanced, and much more likely to remain technologically relevant for the amount of time Canada tends to hold on to aircraft.

>he thinks the Eurofighter is cheaper to operate

Weedman ran on the promise of not buying the F-35, and the bombardier spat rules out buying F/A-18 or F-15CX for the time being

That leaves rafale (dassault already dropped from the competition), gripen (does not meet the combat radius/two engine requirement), and typhoon

whilst typhoon is not a good deal, due to canada's fucked political procurement situation I honestly think they'll go for tranche III typhoons

its is when you dont operate it for shit and consider upgrading your equipment as sinful as heterosex

They’ve just re-approved the F-35 for competition. Really, any other choice is dumb.

Canada needs twin engine fighters. F15x or Typhoon

>Muh twin engines
Absolute brainlet with no understanding of the matter.

Both are more expensive to both purchase and operate than the 35.