It seems very difficult for a fleet of ships to be taken by surprise, but it seems pretty conceivable
Has a Navy ever gotten ambushed?
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Pearl Harbor, Midway.
First Battle of Savo Island
Sorry, meant taken by surprise by another fleet of ships. Strictly boats yo
Mate, the moment fog comes in it's game over for real visibility all pre-aviation/radar ships.
Ditto for islands. The famous cliche in novels being pursuing fleets anchoring at different portions of the island opposite each other and racing each other to the ships to get ready.
And aviation/radar only makes surprise attacks harder for a while, they could still happen if you got lucky (Savo island ).
In 1941 off Cape Matapan the Italian navy didn't use radar so a Royal Navy fleet got to 3,500m and lit up the Italians with searchlights.
Any retarded thing you can imagine has happened. Ships have rotted away in the middle of the sea. They've taken in water from open cannon hatches and sunk. The fucking Hunley sank cuz some guy kicked a lever.
The British once lost an entire fleet at dock in the Thames because the Dutch sailed up and set it on fire. Thats worse than the Indian submarine loss.
Tons of fleets have been ambushed.
horatio hornblower got ambushed a lot in the buggery den.
>Any retarded thing you can imagine has happened.
What about an incident of a ship managing to shoot itself with its main guns?
That was the name of the game for PT boats in ww2.
They would have like 10-15 boats ambush whole Japanese destroyer/troop transport columns in the middle on the night.
>a ship managing to shoot itself with its main guns
sort of
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they can ambush dragons though
Happened multiple times with torpedoes
Leyte Gulf
Battle of Surigao Strait
Alonso de Contreras ambushed and killed Walter Raleigh's son by pretending to be a fleeing merchant ship and then unloading full salvos and boarding once the bongs approached.
I still call bullshit on pearl harbor being an ambush or a "surprise attack"
Surprise attack yes, ambush no
Battle of Dragonstone.
Surprise for the men stationed there maybe
Christ, what a horrible redesign.
Oh you're one of those morons
Battle of Salamis in 480 BC for example. One of the biggest naval battles of antiquity.
Those searchlights caused a lot of damage.
Didnt the Brits do this to the Danish in the 19th century? I forget the name of the battle
Battle of Myeongnyang Strait, won a 13 v 300+ by luring a huge fleet into a corridor under fog and unpredictable currents
I don't know about what your definition of an ambush is. A boat trying to find another boat is like looking for a needle in a haystack, you might as well be tom hanks with a soccer ball floating around on a raft if you expect any boat to find one another without doing it at pre-determined points that could be considered an ambush.
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I guess this counts, a bunch of cavalry managed to take a ship by surprise on the water.
Battle of Salamis.
>The first investigation into the explosion, conducted by the U.S. Navy, concluded that one of the gun turret crew members, Clayton Hartwig, who died in the explosion, had deliberately caused it. During the investigation, numerous leaks to the media, later attributed to U.S. Navy officers and investigators, implied that Hartwig and another sailor, Kendall Truitt, had engaged in a homosexual relationship and that Hartwig had caused the explosion after their relationship had soured
Fags in the military everyone
You have no idea how much I want a modern battleship
>It seems very difficult
How? What is your train of thought in this case?
The ocean is flat and you can see a long way and boats move pretty slow so one side getting a proper drop on the other seems unlikely, especially when the assumption is that the enemy could be anywhere. And indeed, if you look in the thread people have only been able to come up with a handful of examples of navies getting ambushed by another.
Do you just stop reading as soon as something seems to reinforce your own beliefs?
There's a lot more to the story and even reading the first section on the article says it goes far beyond one person trying to commit murder-suicide. Over-ramming powder charges is a dangerous possibility on any warship with guns like that.
I read the rest and it smelled like a coverup. The first investigation had inside sources from other navy personnel, the second had an (((institute))) report its forensic findings
Sort of, during age of sail it was common to sail under a false flag & then switch amflags at the last min and fire at close range.
Yes. LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama
I always shudder to think about the poor slobs drowning, chained to the oars.
Military ships would never have chained slaves to the oars, the rowers were soldiers and expected to fight in boarding actions. Slave oarmen may have been used on merchant ships but that's about it, and even so they were probably not chained up because that's pointless and wasteful.
well the multiple 15 inch shells that followed did, hell eyewitnesses report the first salvo literally blew some of the main battery turrets of one of the italian cruisers completely off the ship.
Jutland kind of, the first time the grand fleet crossed the high seas fleets T was the first time the high seas fleet realised the whole grand fleet was at sea, Scheer pretty much had a brown trousers moment at that point before running like hell
That's like the opposite of an ambush, both sides sortied intending to engage the enemy fleet. Nobody was surprised when they found each other. The intent of this thread is a proper ambush, when a fleet is engaged with no prior knowledge of the incoming attack. The UK-Italy example above is perfect.
the germans sortied with the intent of luring a portion of the british fleet out, not the whole bloody lot, the response they had hoped for was the battlecruiser force and maybe a battle squadron or two, the british had intercepted their signals, were aware of their intentions and sortied with everything that was ready to sail.
its not a perfect ambush as the germans were expecting some sort of battle, but they most definitely were not expecting the whole fleet
The Fleet cooked up that bullshit to cover its ass. Read the rest, dipshit.
FTN.
Gibbs isn't real, NCIS' mission back then was chasing real and imaginary fags and dopers. Probably still is.
Battle of the Philippine Sea also
>sizable percentage of all USN IJN pitched battles initiated as ambushes
>"only a few examples"
Time to hang yourself user
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