Discuss camo patterns, canteen development, backpacks, show recent purchases, etc etc, you know the drill.
CAMO/MILITARIA THRED
Asher Powell
James Carter
whats the rundown on woodland atacs?
Chase James
There's a local annual folk/retro festival drawing near. Some stores including the recycling stores put aside merchandise throughout the year just for this event, and put it in the shop the last few weeks before the big event so people can put together 'period' costume. As a collector I value this greatly and today I apparently I stumbled on the first day of this sale, because I did some GREAT finds.
This here is an import NATO sweater, 100% wool. Normal shop price would be about 30 euro. I got it for five. I've already washed it gently with wool wash and hung it up to dry, and now I hope it will still fit perfectly when it is dry and clean.
Grayson Edwards
Pair of Norwegian M/66 boots. Good shape, needs some polish but otherwise ready to use. Oldschool of course but perfect for reenactment, larping and so on. I have several pairs of these in the collection already but being a perfect fit and priced at 3 Euro, how could I say no?
Nathan Nguyen
The above were nice finds but not collectibles. It's real hard to find the good stuff in recycling stores because everyone and their aunt google stuff for value before they donate it. The next two items must have slipped through the net and I am fucking EXTATIC about them.
This leather belt has a brass clasp with a tin roller and a '1' stamped in the back which is probably the size, because this is a small belt. I cautiously say this could be an early model of the Norwegian Army belt for other ranks, as used between maybe 1900 and 1940. This isn't rare, it is unobtainium. And I got it for one Euro. Size won't matter for display purposes.
Jose James
And an even better, and even rarer find - a Colt rig belt, as used by Norwegian officers between 1911 and 1940. The shoulder strap brass clasps remove all doubt. This belt is apparently shortened but perfectly good for the display - together with the shoulder straps and the colt holster which I also have. The belt is worth at least 50 Euro, if you could find one that is, and I found mine for 1 Euro.
Yep, definitely celebrating with a good cognac tonight.
John Howard
Shamelessly reposting the boots I bought the other day. Practically new condition, and I got them for a fraction of what militaria/outdoor stores typically charge (for instance, Varusteleka sells these for 139 EUR a pop).
Colton Thomas
You are not kidding. In new condition these are available to me for 150 EUR. Plus another 20 in shipping, of course. And that is within Norway.
Leo Collins
Newer ATACS apparently sucks ass like a vacuum, but I guess you can get the older pattern from Russian sites
Brayden Ortiz
My latest WW1 helmet
Austin Sanchez
>HK 433
>ConCamo
>??
>Profit
Jacob Morgan
Today's arrival, an $8 find
>1EUR each
Nice finds, you got some sweet deals.
They look good to boot, heh.
Landon Garcia
Austin Diaz
Robert Scott
This is coming tomorrow. Think I got a good price.
paint chiped in a few places, minor scuffs, also looks like the nuts on the mask have been replaced fairly recently. Other than that pictures look fine.
Most dicks are charging up to 1000 bucks for them because they keep getting pictured in video games.
Gavin Smith
I've seen them cheaper from some of the FB/VK sellers, but that's not too terrible, especially for ebay
Nathaniel Johnson
Post pics when you get it. IIRC there's at least one or two other people who have one of those on here.
There was the Swedish dude who had that old Swedish police enclosed visor helmet as well that was very cool, along with the vest.
Julian Davis
This might be the wrong place to ask but do you guys know the best places to buy antique/vintage American flags? I'm talking as close to 1900 and earlier as possible.
Jordan Morales
Antique shows will usually have a few lying around. Most common are the 48 & 49-star varieties, although I have personally seen a huge 45-star flag once.
On a milsurp note, I have pic related on the way for $150 (I have a desperate, money-burning hard-on for nutria brown fml). Will post pics when it arrives. Also, apologies for phoneposting like a gigantic faggot.
Levi Carter
I want a sleeping bag suitable for temps as low as -5c but I'm very Jewish.
Can anyone hook me up with some milsurp that will suit that purpose? The US mil "patrol" bags I've seen all claim 30-50 f comfort ratings which is just a little too light.
Gavin Bailey
Samuel Lewis
The Norwegian Army has been using these kapok-type sleeping bags for many years as default field equipment. I've been in excercises in -30C and slept in one of these. They are triple layered with inner cover, kapok layer and outer cover and with wooden buttoning all the way down you can sleep in them wearing full uniform, which is advised in -30C.
There's lots of these on the market; if you can ignore 30-40 years of discoloring and wear then they'll be quiet cheap. On the heavy side though, and if you can find a seller in Norway then expect a hefty shipping cost.
I've got one. But weight and volume makes it not my first choice unless it is midwinter.
Alexander Rogers
Slightly updated version, used from 1987 but I never saw one while I served. Probably because it takes a long time to wear out the classic type. Just two layers; the outer one is fire retarding which is a good idea. Polyester stuffing. Supposedly these can also be used down to -30C.
Nicholas Baker
But wait, there is more! Apparently this is the newest version. This one has a water tight outer layer, and in the inner layer there's a built in sleeping pad. Very fancy. Supposedly as cold resistant as the two others.
Weight differences:
Old school : 4.1 kg
M/87: 3.1 kg
New type: 3.9 kg
Looks like I need to do some shopping myself. My best civilian sleeping bag is a Mamut Ajungilak Tundra MTI9, which clocks in at a pretty 1.6 kg but the extreme lower temperature is just -21C. (T-Comf : -4C) 300 Euro for the newest army model is a bit hefty though.
Ayden Powell
I've got some gas masks to show off. Just a handful. Better to post them here, or in a gas thread?
Wyatt Bennett
Can I buy new duck hunter pattern clothing anywhere?
Also please rate this pattern I made.
William Morales
Go ahead and post 'em here familia.
Eli Hernandez
Righto. Am about halfway into taking the photos now so posting tonight.
Wyatt Harris
carinthia defense 4
it's used by a lot of millitaries
a new one is supposed to have a -15C comfort limit (at least new ones do)
the same design is made by different manufactures (the dutch use fecsa made ones, i don't know who makes the british one)
also it's modular. if used with a tropen summer bag (also used by different armies) it can go down to -35C
Nathan Gomez
Anyone have suggestions for milsurp stores in ND/SD/MN area? I live in GF and there's nothing like that here.
Alexander Wood
I know the Norwegian Army bought 15 000 sleeping bags from Carinthia, that had to be returned because condensation stuck inside and turned into ice. Not a good thing in Norwegian winters. This story is from 2014; I do not know if the problem was corrected by the makers or if we turned to a different manufacturer. Hopefully I will find out.
Aiden Hughes
Is this fucker worth 17 EUR?
Gavin Bennett
The only later reference I could find to this event was someone in a forum saying the problem was due to a production error where the layers had been sewn together; the error had been fixed and the bags accepted by the NA. Looks like it was the Defence 6 model.
Barely related, I found someone combining the Defence 1 and Defence 4 for cold winter use. Odd.
Leo James
yeah, jigsaw is always a good buy
Noah Morales
Absolutely, those older denim smocks can go for good prices if they're in good condition and a desirable size.
Even if it isn't, they're still worth at least $25-30.
Easton Jenkins
Sheeiiiyyyttt, I hope it'll still be there tomorrow.
Anthony Ward
Blood Bucket? Based Doughboy Amish?
Evan Gomez
Seconding this. The Defence 4 is one of the best all-round bags on the market, which is why pretty much every European military uses some version of it. Used surplus ones can be had for 70-90 EUR and are well worth it if you ask me.
One of my fondest memories of conscription was sleeping under the open sky in -12C weather during light snowfall. Based Defence 4 kept my ass nice and warm the whole time.
Supposedly, the Defence 1 was designed to fit inside the 4 as a modular system of sorts.
Adam Watson
Wyatt Miller
Well, I promised gas masks. So now you get a gander at my entire collection; basically Norwegian ones, with most of the rest being WW2 ones.
Starting off with the British stuff. This one is a Mark V, which came into use at the start of WW2 to be a less costly version of the Mark IV. Notice the pouch, which is an early model with lots of brass details. I think it is a Mark V or VI.
Zachary King
The pouch also saw cost reducing changes; the Mark VII pouch is rather simplified with almost no metal and fewer pouches.
On a cosplay note, this is the model used by Indiana Jones, except that his has been supplied with a leather strap.
Bentley Peterson
In 1943, the Brits came up with something more modern and rather more compact at last. The Mark VI had a direct connection filter, dispensing with the rubber hose. This mask was supplied to paratroopers and to the forces participating at Normandie.
One odd thing about the Brits; they insist on calling their gas masks 'respirators'. Useful for later googling.
Easton Lopez
I forgot to mention that the set includes a tin with six small tubes of presumably anti gas paste, and a package of three cellophane(?) dust goggles in paper which I am not unwrapping. Why they are in the set I do not know. Amusingly, I know these goggles - because Rommel was using them.
Owen Thomas
The model number for this Russian gas mask eludes me for the moment; I've got it on file somewhere. I think it is WW2 vintage though.
Kayden Nelson
What's a gas mask collection without a GP-5?
Noah Johnson
Jeremiah Rogers
That's a GP-4u. They were introduced in the mid-1950s and saw use well into the 1970s.
Luis Jackson
This French Model 1935 gas mask pouch still need a gas mask. Maybe in time.
Nathaniel Long
Right. Thanks! I'll update the file name.
Angel Sanders
An American pouch for the M9A1 mask, from the late 40s. To me it is interesting as being the basis for all Norwegian field gas mask pouches the following fifty years.
Jose Reed
German gas mask of Model 30, in the short canister used between 1935 and the end of the war. A longer version was introduced in 1939 or so to accomodate the M38 mask which was all rubber.
Julian Gray
Of the M38 I only have the canister. Yet.
Cameron Diaz
Crap. Getting real late. You'll have to wait to tomorrow for the Norwegian ones.
Robert Howard
Seems like the canisters kept getting longer since the M17 lederschutzmaske
Xavier Ross
how's Rothco's M1956 repro?
rothco.com
Cameron Mitchell
I own a set of the original Soviet border guard stuff, panama hat and all. Type 2 uniform made in 1986.
William Lewis
based berezka
Nicholas Gray
I got pouches and slings
Justin Long
Got myself a Gorka Suit (2007 gen) and Korund VM Vest today in the mail.
I've got a mark 6 as well. Luckily here in leafland we used those for ages and so getting surplus filters that won't kill me is pretty easy and only run 20 leafbux
Jason Gray
Hey, so I gotta ask, own myself a Flackentarn pre-2000 pattern (aka the camo pattern that isn't washed out), where the hell would it be better suited for in terms of camoflague? Because here in the Midwest, especially here in Illinois (as of right noe, anyways) the woods are a good mix of drab browns And bright greens
Juan Young
anybody got ID on the gear here? Namely the carrier?
Ian Edwards
Yeah. Partly because the mask got bigger and longer, partly because the filter got bigger, and partly because there was made room for a box for spare eye visors inside the lid. What really puzzles me is why a nation with diminishing metal and manufacturing facilities kept using metal containers at all. At the very least it would have been more comfortable with a webbed bag for the soldiers who had to lug the big tube around on their backs.
William Ross
Okay, Norwegian gas masks. A little initial history first. Norway became an independent nation in 1905 after separating from the union with Sweden, and wanted a proper army. Trouble was, there wasn't much money for it. WW1, which we luckily avoided entirely, pretty much proved that this should be given priority - but at the same time the socialist movement was getting strong and part of government and their contribution was the Broken Rifle policy. "If we have no army there will be no war." I can only assume the ones who authored that were drooling permanently. So, by the mid 20s we were getting an army of sorts but the less than enthusiastic budgets kept things more experimental than actually issued, right up to the point where war came to us in 1940. Helmets, anti aircraft weapons, anti tank weapons, submachine guns, radios.... gas masks. We had it all in theory, but most of our soldiers only saw that stuff on the enemy.
The gas mask first made its introduction in Norway in the mid 1920s when we got hand on british gas masks with hoses. There can't have been more than a few dozen of them; I never saw them even in our military museums. Soon after we said fuck that and went German style instead although we stuck with the web bags. As the Germans developed their masks we followed suit fairly quickly, although again we can't have been buying more than a few dozen of each new model. Someone was saving money for sure. Woops. then there was war and we got a new mask. Right in time to equip the Quislings.
After the war, as with the helmets and rifles, we were sitting on a selection of everything from every European country. What we actually used for the next couple of decades I don't know, but in the 60s the CD came up with some cheapo masks to face the possible nuclear winter with. The first proper army gas mask arrived in the 1970s and is only being phased out now. For what model, I do not know.
Angel Barnes
A short list:
- M/28: british style with hose and filter in pouch
- M/30: german style with direct filter, in pouch
- M/34: german style with noose filter, in pouch
- M/39: german style with noose filter, in pouch. First all rubber mask.
- M/39 variation with a cardboard canister instead of a pouch
- M/59: Civil Defense univisor mask with double 'herring' filters, in bag
- M/62: Civil Defense univisor mask with conventional round filter, in bag
- LFC: Similar to the M/59, but black. Meant for naval defense units.
- LF-2: Like above, but with round filter.
- IMA: Civil Defense version much like M/62 except brown.
- NM16: Finally a decent mask for the army. Been with us for 30 or 40 years. Now phased out
- X: the new mask. I know nothing about it yet. Hopefully it has nifty stuff like drinking tubes.
This is the M/39. I think I have an older one, but it wasn't in the boxes I just aired. The predecessors to this one were rubberized canvas while the M/39 was full rubber, and the first model I know was manufactured - in Norway - in considerable numbers.
Grayson Ramirez
With war becoming a reality someone finally remembered we were supposed to have a civil defense, who at this point had little more than shovels as equipment. The M/39 went into increased production with several variations, the carrier especially. This here is the 'presspapier', cardboard, tube version. Information is scarce but apparently both the Hird (Quisling's boys) and the Industry Defence (CD) got these.
Logan Reyes
Twink spotted
Jason Rodriguez
Civil Defense mask M/59. All plastic, univisor, fairly modern stuff at the time. The filters are what catches the attention; here both intact in package and used. My best guess is that someone wanted a filter contract and wanted to be sole source too.
Lucas Hill
They got the filter sorted out soon enough.
Samuel Rogers
This is the LF-2, in dark olive brown for the naval defense units. We had a number of coastal fortresses still active back then. Since I never served with a naval unit I'll admit I don't know if our ship crews were ever issued masks.
Andrew Ortiz
Rounding off with the NM16, which I was issued myself. It is a good mask. This particular set must have been in the Airforce judging by the stamps and markings, but otherwise it looks identical to the Army one. Why there is a dressing included I can't even guess; maybe put there by one of the users. It sure won't be any use in case of gas.
In my time gas masks were considered part of the weapons equipment; 'losing' a mask was a courtmartial offense.
Bentley Ward
Looks similar to the infamous Finnish benis mucinex mask, funny though that it's used with the M9A1 style bag. It's fun to see weird blends like that.
Colton Martin
i am a qt and also a queer for the gear
Hunter Turner
The NM16 or NM-16 mask is technically an M9 mask with a STANAG filter adapter, so the M9- style bag makes sense. There are several Finnish masks that are also derivates of the M9. I am not familiar with a 'mucinex' mask by such a name though.
Jordan Young
Benis mucinex = Finn M/61 mask
Which in itself was also M9 copy funnily enough
Jackson Anderson
All of the post war West-German helmets I currently own, plus a couple of bonus gasmasken
Luke Smith
Nice collection, I'm loving those splinter and amoeba covers you got
Sebastian Wood
New arrivals
Charles Mitchell
Thanks! Liking that smock, still need to get one of those myself. I have a much larger BW collection, one day I'll do one pic collection pic. In fact I'm moving out soon so that would probably be an oppertune moment as I'll have all of it out n about.
Grayson Cruz
Kayden Phillips
Levi Moore
hey ,my parka is very similar, but no pockets
Kayden Brooks
No pockets? Seriously? Are there any stamps or tags inside to confirm it actually is military issue?
Jeremiah Sanders
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Henry Cooper
yarp
Hunter Reed
Connor Hernandez
>MVP Liner
I have never seen one of those before, weird
Is it supposed to be worn under the regular MVP parka?
Angel Gray
varusteleka.com
traded it for a Eas german Parka a year ago, been using it as a light jacket almost exlcusively since. I can't say too many good things about how light, waterproof, and comfortable it has been.
Evan Johnson
Speaking of UK gear, I am trying to identify s sweater. Its shape is essentially a long ermed tee sshirt, Sound familia to anyone?
Blake Gonzalez
Like a long sleeve shirt?
>goarmy.co.uk
Jackson Watson
I too like German helmet
Jaxon Wilson
fuck you over paid
Robert Thomas
didn't think I'd ever see historically-focussed gas mask enthusiasts on Jow Forums ever again
right on
Ian Myers
one of my personal faves, M45 Land Warrior Mask
Zachary Powell
JSDF Type 1, first mask issued to Japan's military following the Second World War.
Jonathan Lee
loose copy of the U.S. M3 Lightweight Service Mask
Nicholas Green
the M3 and M4 Lightweight Series are another one of my favorites
Austin King
Charles Morgan
how the M4 looked before I restored it.
Chase Diaz
the full kit after restoration.
Landon Ortiz
Never heard of that one, what's the history behind it?
That's a rare boi in the US