WARSHIP PORN THREAD?

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Soviet/Russian surface ships have really been growing me recently. Specifically the Slava and Kiev classes.

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Did I do it right?

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Actual service ships are a waste of money. We need to invest in mass submarine deployment alongside naval strike craft to cripple the enemy before they engage. Anti shipping missiles will render even long range ships obsolete soon. Only the Sub will survive.

okay but how are you supposed to get troops and armour in mass to foreign shores? You need amphibs for that and you're going to want to protect your amphibs with something
what about air warfare? balistic missile defence? NGS ?

>planes drop bomb on you
heh, nothing personnel kid

i have a soft spot for Kerch and Kara class cruisers
cold war era was best era for warship beauty

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Iowa makes my big stick a very big stick.

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>how are you supposed to get troops and armour in mass to foreign shores?
Submarine LPDs.

An interesting position, but submarines only seem good for certain tasks. You're not going to win a naval war (or project your force) with only underwater units. Germany kind of tried it and it didn't work.

Holy crap that thing is bristling with with sensors.

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>air warfare?
Submarine CVs

>balistic missile defence?
submarine DDGs

I think we can work in freight trains and M113s somewhere, but it's gotta be submersible

>NGS ?
trick question, that's been irrelevant since the Sovremennys

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Are submersible carriers even viable as craft?

they're the only thing viable in 2k19

>Try to invade enemy shore with submarine full of men and armor
>Have to remain submerged on approach
>Run aground

>invading
If you presuppose that you are on the offensive.

>>Try to invade enemy shore with submarine LPD full of men and armor
>>Have to remain submerged on approach
>>Run aground
>submarine LPD has tracks because it's a Gavin scaled up to naval size
>climb onto beach
>the bow opens
>A train of Gavins spews out the front of the SLPD
>they're hooked back-to-front, miles long
>the gavin-snake deploys inland while submarine jets launched from submarine CVs fly overhead
Then an eagle named "Liberty" landed on my shoulder, and said "BBs still matter" into my ear while shedding a single tear

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predator and prey

I predict that the "Invasion" is such a fundamentally costly and time consuming measure that on the event of full ok superpower war it would not occur on the mainland. The USA will never invade Russia and China will never invade America. Island capture maybe but that is all. Modern warfare would make a full scale naval invasion of another superpower nigh impossible long term.

hovercraft out the ass

>Cyka blyat! I said make ship to sail around world! Not roundest ship in world!

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the fact that this thing got built without anyone bringing up the main problem if its design astonishes me.

>anyone bringing up the main problem
Because that would earn you a bullet to the head.

Welcome to Vatnik engineering.

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enough of the low quality bantz post more ship porn

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I absolutely love this design. It's so classy looking (and also horrible if the sea gets rough or someone puts a large hole in the side.)

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DON'T MOCK THE BOX

you say this, but then when amerilards make the flying shitbox Fail-35, everyone who speaks out against it is silenced by the (((MIC)))

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>error 404: freeboard not found
HON HON HON HON HON

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>what about air warfare
Not him, but destroyers are completely inept at AA against even 2nd generation fighters. They might as well be floating targets.

USS Vincennes proved that the SAMs work

INS maznek
was used to launch 3 naval commando raids into lebanon int he 70s.fought in one of the world's first missile boat battles in which it sunk 1 syrian komar-cllass missile boat with it's gabriel missiles and one osa class missile boats with 40mm cannons.
basically the syrians had superior, longer range russian missiles and radars but the israeli navy beat them though proficient use of maneuvering,electronic warfare and chaff countermeasures to avoid all syrian missiles. (also apparently one of the israeli ships managed to shoot down a syrian styx missile with regular manned deck machine guns)

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No one is. Talk shit all you want, Comrade Ivan isn't gonna brain you here

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>lose a heavy cruiser
>don't even realize for 4 days and only when someone spotted the remaining survivors
The only good fate of a United State warship.

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naval fags:

I've been trying to understand how modern naval warfare and classes work as they have become completely detached from their original meaning and on top of this the US Navy just calls ships whatever out of tradition or it's own norms. please tell me how off or on the money I am

>the names of warship classes (destroyer, cruiser, etc) are largely irrelevant as they are disconnected from their original meanings
>all warships can really do the same things, and the Destroyer is really just The Warship (TM) and has taken over as the preeminent modern battleship
>cruisers are the same as destroyers, just meant to operate more on their own, so they carry more missiles at the cost of ASW (in contrast to 'destroyers' which are mostly the same thing, but still called that because they are meant to protect the carriers
>frigates are just smaller, budget-friendly poorfag cruisers/destroyers
>as a great oversimplification, the rock-paper-scissors of air/sea battle is that Carriers beat Destroyers, Destroyers beat submarines, and submarines beat Carriers
>LCS Independence and Freedom are really just corvettes despite the navy calling them frigates, and i have no idea how they're actually supposed to be used doctrinally with their amphibious assault capabilities

how wrong is this?

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Russian warships are disgusting dystopian hulks that look like orks built them.

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Yes, well no but Yes.

Time to piss off, innit cuntm8?

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Interwar CAs were so aesthetic

The Japanese tried the Submarine CV. The best they got was a seaplane tender.

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Wouldn't work. A carrier has too much internal space and variable weight depending on expendables and aircraft onboard. Planes wouldn't be able to launch or land while submerged due to the risk of seawater corroding the engines. You couldn't fly a CAP without exposing your position. Planes launching and landing constantly would expose your position.

So no, not viable in 2019.

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The difference between Cruisers and Destroyers mostly boils down to endurance. Cruisers can sail across oceans without refueling, destroyers can't.

Frigates basically don't exist anymore.

LCS are defined by a very shallow draft allowing shallow water combat. In practice they're mini-carriers that only do helicopters.

>destroyers can'
>Range: 19,400 km

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Well fuck, I'm outta ideas then.

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Incorrect.

Destroyers are historically escort ships for convoys and carrier groups.

Cruisers historically have had independent patrol and offensive operations in mind.

Blurring the line between them falls squarely on the US Navy, which uparmed their destroyers while assigning their cruisers while tasking the DDGs and CGs to the same missions.

Many other navies still use frigates, because they’re well-suited to long range independent missions where ship-to-ship combat isn’t a great concern. They’re the most cost-effective way to project blue water naval power.

Where was this taken and what's that russian-looking ship?

A good fate for a US ship is it going to the bottom of the ocean, as the world benefits from dead US sailors. No sailors, no rancid NATOfag imperialism.

Nevermind, I'm retarded. It's an Udaloy class in Mayport.
It's pretty nice that they let foreign warship do friendly visits like that.

>google labels the picture as "luxury yacht"

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They better, one missile from that udaloy will send that bitch burke to the bottom

>Crew members man the rails aboard the aircraft carrier USS SARATOGA (CV-60) while their Soviet counterparts man the rails aboard the Udaloy class guided missile destroyer SIMFEROPOL as it enters port. The SIMFEROPOL is one of three Soviet vessels in Mayport for a four-day goodwill visit. Moored to a pier in the background are the guided missile cruiser USS PHILIPPINE SEA (CG-58), the guided missile cruiser USS LEYTE GULF (CG-55) and the destroyer USS COMTE DE GRASSE (DD-974)
nara.getarchive.net/media/crew-members-man-the-rails-aboard-the-aircraft-carrier-uss-saratoga-cv-60-while-c9a384
>16 July 1991
navsource narod ru/photos/02/219/index.html
The ship was renamed Severomorsk om 27 December 1995.

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So yeah, it's pretty much what I thought

I still don't get what the LCS indepebdence class is supposed to do. Fast zippy stealthy Pacific island harasser? Yeah, I dig it.
But, it also carries hellfires and compliments of Marines and their amphibious AFVs like some sort of floating FOB? Why? It seems a little but mutually exclusive. The Zumwalt I can understand, as it can operate in areas where there are still significant anti ship missile threats (china disputed waters), launching missiles or firing it's gun store land targets while moving at high speed to avoid being tracked and pinned down. The other stealth LCS though, the way it's supposed to work just confused me.

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>>submarine LPD has tracks because it's a Gavin scaled up to naval size

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Peak aesthetics right here

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larger
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uss_iowa_bb-61_pr.jpg

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>I still don't get what the LCS indepebdence class is supposed to do
It's a glorified overpriced patrol boat by lockmart. What did you expect, efficiency? Now compare it to this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_22160_patrol_ship

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Get this newfag shit off my board.

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Its all to do with politics and procurement.

Cruisers are expensive so we don't want cruisers, my mate with a BA in Histroy said a destroyer can do a cruisers job. So buy Destroyers instead.

The DoD then releases a cruiser specification called a destroyer and the lines between classes blur until their names are redfined.

The Destroyer role went from Torpedo Boat Destroyer in the late 19th/Early 20th Century to Air Defence Destroyers like Type 45 in the Early 21st Century.

The Role of Type 45 in a USN Task Force in 1945 would have been that of a Baltimore Class Heavy Cruiser.

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Well the torpedo boat/sub destroyer escort era is long over and they seem to just be called destroyers because they destroy things

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>obligatory "they should never have scrapped warspite" post

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Typhoons

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Yes but if you look at the last 100 years of Ship design you see the evolution of what were known as destroyers go from Destroyers to frigates to corvettes and now arguably to LCS

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>even Russias patrol boats can sink ships
My are commies so good at war?

I'd like this picture better if the flags didnt cover the ship up

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It's sad, but it looks so incredible.

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What is that sunken ship