The Russian leader underlined that the Russian defense industry had not done anything like that in terms of the scale and on the new platform in 40 years. He expressed hope that the updated plans would be fulfilled. "In the nearest future we will sign a package contract to supply 76 such jets equipped with modern weapons of destruction and provided with the necessary land infrastructure," Putin pointed out.
B-But this board, F-16.net and the media said the program was cancelled.
>He expressed hope that the updated plans would be fulfilled. >He expressed hope
James Scott
"The 2028 arms program stipulated the purchase of 16 such jets," Putin recalled. According to him, having assessed the situation, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu reported that manufacturers reduced prices for both the aircraft and the equipment by 20%, which provided the opportunity to purchase more of these jets. "We have agreed to purchase 76 such fighters without the increase in prices in the same period of time," Putin said.
Lincoln Sullivan
It's true we have fun at Russia's expense here, but none of us really are staking our esteem on whether Russia can produce the Su-57. For my part I'm just amused by the trouble they're having. If they do manage to build 76, more power to them. Good luck Rooskis.
Honestly, I don't see how 76 is supposed to be some kind of Earth-shattering number here :^/
Easton Ramirez
So Russia can't even produce the same amount of 5th gen planes in a decade that the US buys in a year. That's fucking pathetic.
Turkey's a more likely buyer at this point. Considering Russia can't seem to afford much of anything on their own at the moment, some sort of international partnership will be vital if they want to produce the thing in meaningful numbers before the US is flying its F-22 successor.
Chase King
>before the US is flying its F-22 successor.
or before the mig-41s come out.
Jordan Bell
Your going to be shitposting this on every thread like you did in the patch thread are you?
Levi Lewis
As a ruskie myself here I can attest that most of the folks I know don't really have many hopes up for the 57 in general, tho to be fair it's not as bad as with the AK12. But hey, maybe something good will come out of this.
>MiG-41 Holy crap, I just read the Wikipedia article on that thing. That's hilarious.
>capable of Mach 4–4.3, equipped with an anti-missile laser, and claimed would be able to operate at very high altitudes and even in near space
This is coming from a nation that has yet to prove it can produce an F-22 equivalent.
Also >It was speculated that it could enter service by the mid-2020s or 2030s kek
Samuel Miller
Maybe, honestly, I think as the US paradigm shifts from Europe to Asia, India will be looking towards the USA for its armaments. The Americans have a large MIC and catalog of designs to purchase. Planes like the F-16 are both (relatively) inexpensive and modern, they seem pretty ideal for the Indian Air Force. Just look at all the variants Middle-Eastern countries buy. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a bunch of F-16 MKIs flying around or something in the next 10 years.
Wyatt Rivera
I mean, look at the F-21 proposal. American manufacturers seem willing to give India fairly advanced tech transfers if they're willing to play ball. Considering the US is a lot more likely to support the Indians against the Chinese than the Russians would be, India is likely to fall into the US sphere of influence over the course of a few decades.
Caleb Watson
doubtful. unless they offer to open a production line in india i dont think they will.
James Johnson
>16 purchased >76 hoped for >hundreds originally promised good god this things antics are hilarious.
Brandon King
Who knows, if things keep going the way they have, Russia might actually start buying Chinese like the memes keep suggesting.
Kevin Morales
I think the Russian Government is suffering from a lack of focus. Probably trickles into everything Moscow does. I don't see what the Russian military is meant to do exactly? It kind of just exists to try and counter the Americans so they wind up spending tons of money on IADs and other fly-swatters and giving them to foreign governments. That's fine and all but then what does it need a VLO plane for. Shooting down AWACS and interception my guess, but if you can't do it on the scale or with the same level of tech as the US then why not try another alternative. I feel like the Russians are the Yin to America's Yang, but they don't really embrace the asymmetry. Russia should focus on IADs and Armor in a conventional war. The defense has been Russia's greatest strength. It can quickly overrun the Baltics and then be a pain in the ass to deentrench. NATO with the US could do it. But will NATO have the US in the next 10 years? Maybe not.
>76 SU-57s Yeah, we'll see. Just like they promised 2,000 T-14s by 2025 and that obviously isn't happening.
Logan Price
given the performance of the flying TORtanic i wouldnt be surprised.
Alexander Taylor
Iraq is already interested in buying an S-400. Them profits will help.
Jack Nelson
>your country is so booty blasted they made a patch to commemorate something that didn't even happen lmao. I'm glad they're getting some Su-57's, it'll make it easier to sell the PCA to congress in the late 2020s.
William Rodriguez
Modern SEAD techniques really seem to call into question the effectiveness of SAM systems. They're obviously a danger to aircraft, but a fighter plane is a much more useful thing to spend money on than a ground-based anti air missile.
Aiden Bailey
honestly? good. the more this thing continues its existence the more hilarity it generates.
Gavin Myers
>PCA to congress in the late 2020s The PCA is happening way sooner than that. Something like 2026 for prototypes.
Alexander Wood
I'd imagine it really would only take one decade because China's military is growing exponentially, the Indians are probably going to want get things going more quickly.
p.s. I know the Chinese economy is slowing and things are uncertain for them, but that's all the more reason to expect Chinese foreign policy to get more belligerent. It's better to make moves in a position of strength rather than from a place of weakness.
I've seen the threads on here, I've seen the arguments. I'm merely suggesting that in a no-US involvement Baltic scenario, perhaps sometime in the 2020s-2030s they might be a significant obstacle for a theoretical European coalition. Personally, think and EU-coalition would not exist in the future and it would be enough to make EU countries unwilling to get involved. Not like I have any clue why Russia still cares about the Baltics though? Just a scenario I kind of imagined. Personally, I think Russia's focus in IADs is just there way of selling "Empire Repellent" to third world dictatorships a way of swatting down that pesky USAF. Of course they don't tell them that the USAF is the Africanized-killer Hornet of Air Forces and IADs just make them angrier. But I guess up until that point it's peace of mind. lol
They may actually be moving that up significantly Penetrating Counter-Air. Supposed to be a sixth-generation fighter, but may end up being several aircraft.
Connor Wilson
>May be moving that up Source? I kind of doubt that since the mid 2030's IOC is already kind of ambitious.
Landon Murphy
Agreed. I have to imagine China is eventually going to become more aggressive. If nothing else, the US simply won't allow China to secure the degree of influence they want over East Asia without a fight.
cope because of the delusions of a crazed manlet living in the past?
Zachary Turner
>Only 76 by the time it's already obsolete yikes
Chase Ramirez
76 modern fighters is like what you'd expect a country like Belgium to have. Most NATO countries will have more stealth fighters individually than Russia. How is Russia going to manage? Aren't they str0nk superpower?
Parker Green
>The Armata is also suffering the same fate. Now Armatar only needs to follow.
Ian Hughes
If it's that reflective of light, why wouldn't it refl3ct radar?
>A: Russia is a declining petropower armed with nuclear weapons and a threat to its neighbors. China is innovating really quickly, and stealing things too. The threat we worry about most long-term is China.
Not that obsolete with the keep crashing F-35s. Luckily their industry will produce photonic circuits.
Noah Butler
76 times 6 for each F-35 air defenses can do the rest.
Zachary Gutierrez
>this is what passes for english in russia
Noah Rogers
The ol' Thucydides trap. I just think the US never wants to deal with a near-peer power again. The rest of Asia will probably side with the Americans if I had to guess it. To be honest I really hate to be biased in these things. I'm partial to be sure, America is my home, no matter detached I pretend to be I'm not transcendent of world affairs, America loses out I lose out. Still, I try to maintain a level of detachment and consider the factions as equal. But even so China scares me. Of all the places I have read about and learned about, what China is becoming is a nightmare. Nearly every dystopic imagining of the past 50 years made real in one country. It seems like those ministry of truth style camps in XinXiang are just beta-tests for a nationwide program of industrialized indoctrination camps. The CCP really is "the party" from 1984 and as human beings maybe we should actually, I don't know, want to stop them. Maybe I'm being melodramatic but I really don't know. I do know that shit isn't getting better over here either.
John Cook
>keep crashing F-35s cope
Ryder Watson
200 T-14s
but but there are only suppose to be 10. When will those board be correct on T-14 and su-57 armatas everyone is ass blasted that there will be more than 12 su-57s.
One of the interesting aspects of Thucydides' Trap is the tendency for the smaller client states of the 2 great powers to drag them into a war that neither power wanted on their own. As China and the US begin to solidify which states will partner with which, the potential for a small country to gain from a war between the US and China only grows.
Landon Morris
It is called coping, vatniks are pretty advanced with that, comes with the constant practise.
Josiah Wilson
that's what Jow Forumstards believe the uhhh its a dead program, now everyone is pissy that they are wrong because the media said so.
Cameron Moore
So the claimed 2 other F-117 shot downs and B-2 shot down was bullshit?
Luke Thompson
>armor
Parking your tanks on their airbases worked before the precision weapon revolution. It doesn't anymore.
Russia knows they lost the air power race. IADS are the only option they have; and while they aren't ideal and have wartime troubles, they're a cost effective deterrent.
Robert Torres
Nope, that is just what people say to make fun of people like you who are way worse when it comes to such predictions. >2000 Armata by 2020
Jace Jackson
Stealth is a scam that's why they stuck it externally. They can keep mass producing these aircrafts like idiots until they realize photonics lower the noise floor by -20 decibels and burn through jammers wont work on Su-57s while the SU-57s could further use ROFAR to suppress the F-35s radar significantly.
Even 4th gen aircrafts with this shit can get lucky with F-35s.
qr.ae/TWNKnW Through in as much stealth aircrafts you want but ground radars among other sources can assist their 4th gen aircrafts to shoot down 5th gens with data information sharing. I don't know whats the point for F-35 mass production other than sandniggers.
>Linking to a quora page to back up your shitty reply Embarrassing.
Jose Gomez
If stealth magically became worthless, the F35 would remain a more powerful, agile, and ergonomically developed aircraft than it's predecessors, with vastly superior data fusion and networking.
Dominic Gutierrez
>IADS are the only option they have This. If they had the money and technical talent, they'd be procuring F-22 equivalents as fast as they could roll out of the factory. Unfortunately for Russia, they have neither, and as a result, can only attempt to rely on ground-based missiles as a counter to American air supremacy.
Henry Russell
You can always tell when memes are done by russians, they always look so crude.
Hudson Thompson
>poor man's f-22 >it's russian >engines suck >usa number 1 I don't understand, these are all true statements.
Jayden Roberts
>we can use OTH to vector interceptors
This is the aerial equivalent of saying ATGMs make tanks obsolete.
Carter Gray
No, just that air power is pointless
Austin Carter
Does it even has its final engines?
Daniel Wright
Is this supposed to be a rebuttal? Because it only makes you look (even more) retarded.
Chase Lee
you got nothing to propose? Tell what is the point of having a huge air force if vatniks are still fucking burgers over in geopolitics?
Jose Nelson
>air power is pointless Christ, is fetal alcohol syndrome really that prevalent in the former USSR?
Its like watching BBC porn. Putin is Shane diesel. Ukraine, Syria, Turkey and Venezuela are the pornstars while the US plays the cuckold role. What are we even accomplishing of having 1000s of F-35s?
Anthony Sullivan
>you got nothing to propose? I "propose" that you're a fucking retarded for linking some random faggot's (It's probably actually yours) quora "answer" as proof that you're correct. > Tell what is the point of having a huge air force To project military power through the air across the globe. >if vatniks are still fucking burgers over in geopolitics This is a non-sequitur, but Russia has not had a serious geopolitical win in decades. They're hated by basically everyone that matters other than China, who puts up with them for now.
Jaxon Young
If we could only harness russian cope as fuel, the western world could become oil independent within a short time.
Michael Hill
Most retarded post I’ve seen all year, congrats.
Evan Perry
>gets cornered in argument >immediately resorts to cuckposting vatniks are fascinatingly dumb.
Colton Thomas
>What are we even accomplishing of having 1000s of F-35s? Given your poor English, I don't think "we" is the right word here.
Parker Roberts
>To project military power through the air across the globe.
Accomplish nothing
>but Russia has not had a serious geopolitical win in decades.
proceeds to get cucked in Syria, Venezuela, driving a wedge between Turkey and NATO.
Camden Stewart
>I "propose" that you're a fucking retarded for linking some random faggot's (It's probably actually yours) quora "answer" as proof that you're correct.
So your not rebutting anything in that post because SEAD and airpower is worthless?
Jaxson Harris
The nature of air power vs ground power is that ground power is more persistent, while air power is more easily concentrated.
IADS' problem is avoiding defeat in detail. It's a forced choice: fight back and risk dying (the Iraqi choice), or hide and risk irrelevance (the Serbian choice).
Russian is going for 56 S400 battalions by 2020, they're in the high 30s right now IIRC, and obviously geographically distributed. A battalion has 32 to 64 missiles (the auto system fires pairs to improve Ph). It takes nearly an hour to reload in a best case training scenario (i.e. assuming reloads are available and prepositioned at firing sites, which isn't normally the case, they're at storage depots, or prepo'd away from kill radii in a WW3 scenario.
32 shots is not a lot vs a generic USAF SEAD mission. After the Tomahawks and MALDs start flying, the commander is going to need every TEL left to be scoring 2:1 kill ratios or more to make a dent. If the USAF sends in it's QF16s first, they may never kill enough to proc the F35s.
Nicholas Gray
This. Defensive missile systems will always be fighting a losing battle without accompanying combat aircraft to complement them.
Blake Ross
>Accomplish nothing That would be the average Russian before he dies at age 50 from drinking nothing but vodka for 40 years. >proceeds to get cucked in Syria Assad is NEVER getting back control of the entire country, and he's already looking towards the gulf kingdoms for reconstruction money. >Venezuela Maduro's already gone, he just doesn't know it yet. >driving a wedge between Turkey and NATO Turkey's economy is in the toilet, you should get along fine. His post is just vatnigger defense industry marketing info rewritten. I don't give enough shits to counter every retarded fact and figure.
Aha! Here's the link I was looking for. It's the same argument from a Russian defence writer. Run this through google translate if you like Slavs calling out their own kind.
Landon Taylor
>What are we even accomplishing of having 1000s of F-35s? yeah, we should just stop having an air force, thats cuck shit
>IADS' problem is avoiding defeat in detail. It's a forced choice: fight back and risk dying (the Iraqi choice), or hide and risk irrelevance (the Serbian choice).
You do realize those shitty 1960s rusted buckets are nowhere near what the soviets have had right?
>Russian is going for 56 S400 battalions by 2020, they're in the high 30s right now IIRC, and obviously geographically distributed. A battalion has 32 to 64 missiles (the auto system fires pairs to improve Ph). It takes nearly an hour to reload in a best case training scenario (i.e. assuming reloads are available and prepositioned at firing sites, which isn't normally the case, they're at storage depots, or prepo'd away from kill radii in a WW3 scenario.
They do have 800 SAMs available, in general they have more missiles than the available aircraft missiles the US currently has in their air force. Yes more F-35s will be produced but so will SAMs
After the Tomahawks and MALDs start flying, the commander is going to need every TEL left to be scoring 2:1 kill ratios or more to make a dent. If the USAF sends in it's QF16s first, they may never kill enough to proc the F35s.
OTH radars with 3000kms coverage will know the altitude range and which direction they are heading each container radar can deal with 5000 targets. SAM operators will be informed where they are heading and which SAMs to use.
Justin Allen
>Honestly, I don't see how 76 is supposed to be some kind of Earth-shattering number here :^/ especially when you know that ivan sells his seconds on the export market, and most of the first run will be, naturally, of second quality... gotta love that russian commitment to the lie
Jonathan Martinez
Waste trillions but accomplish nothing when vatniks keep fucking with you.
I would shoot myself if I were you this is a Jow Forums thread afterall.
Ian Perry
800 s-300s
Jacob Perez
The problem with Russian 5th gen aircraft isn't the tech it's that the Russian government and people involved in these projects need to steal from it constantly. You can't have any significant public spending without people using it to pad their offshore bank accounts.
Russia won't be able to break out of these problems until the kleptocracy is brought under control.
Cooper Lee
>SAM operators will be informed where they are heading and which SAMs to use.
They could be omniscient, it doesn't make a difference to basic air vs ground strategy. The land forces can't all be in one place, so the air forces can gangbang them one at a time.
