Are fortifications and castles Jow Forums?
Are fortifications and castles Jow Forums?
Josiah Taylor
Ryder Russell
Elijah Nelson
Angel Wood
Justin Cox
Fortifications are very Jow Forums, castles are kind of Jow Forums but they're also kind of faggoty, star forts and earthworks are very Jow Forums.
Adrian Carter
Gavin Martin
My fav Jow Forums hideout
Adrian Myers
Luis Reed
Samuel Richardson
Jonathan Gutierrez
>after a long day civilizing the barbarians you need to relax with your bros
Aiden Mitchell
Jacob Moore
Dylan Bennett
3D reconstruction here: sketchfab.com
Nathan Turner
>All these wooden forts
Nothing personnel
Camden Parker
You're so fucking retarded.
They would just fire water arrows to cancel the fire out.
Easton Allen
I wonder how much it would cost to have something like this built today.
Gabriel Cooper
not a hell of a lot, if you didnt go with stone masonry replaced with cast reinforced concrete and steel plating.
I would love to build one some day as well.
Luis Sanders
>not having a Flaktower who slow down the entire Red Army for a week and avoided by the enemy airforce.
Owen Bennett
Pillow forts are the most Jow Forums
Ryan Rivera
Stone masonry would cost a fortune.
I hope to buy a small island just off the coast of some place (like Australia) and build a massive reinforced concrete castle and have interesting architecture playing off the waves like an artificial beach and under-castle waterways.
Oliver Robinson
years ago, soon after the prius thread, I asked Jow Forums to Jow Forums up a castle
I wonder if anyone has any of those edits
Leo Edwards
What's with all these small forts? Even if you bring a defending army most of it is going to be outside.
Anthony Richardson
I would say $250,000-$500,000 if you did reinforced concrete maybe more but the labor is what would get you.
Joseph Evans
>Static defenses are not relevant thanks to the advent of combined arms
Flaktower:
>hold my beer
Ayden Davis
Static defences are always relevant. They just changed forms over the years when people realized walls aren't the pinnacle of engineering.
Jaxson Morales
I really, really, want a castle.
Hudson Davis
If castles were built as pragmatic defences for the era, would nonolithic structure would be a suitable defense today?
An underground bunker?
Aiden Lewis
If anything, urban warfare suggests that fighting tall buildings is still a bitch without direct air support.
Jose Sanchez
>fire arrows
>effective
Benjamin Hall
Not him, but, are they really not effective en masse?
Justin King
Not him but fire arrows get put out by the force of the wind. There were some fire arrows that used expensive materials and actually worked but they still weren't very effective unless you hit their secret stash of gunpowder or something.
Jack Rogers
Damn, guess I was bamboozled by Hollywood.
Evan Richardson
Yes. Castles were almost a weapon of their own.
Based and motte and bailey pilled
If anybody likes Castles, check out the 6 episode documentary "Secrets of the Castle". It takes place at Castle Guedelon, which isnt an old castle, but a BRAND NEW castle that has been in construction in France since the 1990's. Its a historical project to build a replica castle using the exact same methods (no modern technology at all). It is a really beautiful project. Its build right ontop of a quarry, allowing them to mine and shape the stone by hand on sight. They make all their tiles by hand, etc... I have been following this project for a couple years now.
Nathaniel Powell
picture from construction of castle guedelon's chapel (i think its complete now?)
Carter Russell
That's pretty normal nowadays. A lot of people think that armies would line up as long as possible and then charge at each other. Then there is the viking meme where they all rush in bare chested and wielding two handed weapons instead of bunching together in a shield wall. Basically most shit you see in movies like arrows being messengers of death instead of mild annoyances that shields nullify is bullshit.
Ayden Walker
picture of the wall construction of castle guedelon from the mason's guild
Luis Richardson
All I want in life.
Juan Morales
Why would they even dig a moat?
You dont need siege equipment to climb that wall and you cant really shoot at the attackers inside the moat from the inside.
Bad fortification layout 3/10
Ryan Watson
That does look extremely comfy.
>Spiral path down to a little pier with a boat.
Tyler Howard
It's probably to fend off bandits rather than an actual armed military. Poking them with spears as they wade through/jump over the moat would probably be effective.
Levi White
What I would improve is maybe another round housing district on the back as well. Gives a fleeing location or could provide as a more geared towards farming or live stock processing section.
Anthony Hernandez
this is a nice thread
Juan Edwards
Indeed
Colton Ortiz
>when you can't fucking decide if you want swag castle or fortified castle
Thomas Jones
Looks like the outer wall was torn down at some point. Half assed renovations.
Dominic Wood
Actually, this was designed like that. This is Zamek Krzyżtopór in Poland (dont try to pronounce that, it's fucking jawbreaker even for Polish native speakers) and when finished, it supposed to be looking like pic related.
Henry Perry
Kek
Isaac Smith
Zamek Christopher?
Andrew Wood
Fire projectiles are, fire arrows are not. Wood fortresses were coated in fireproof materials but in sieges anything goes.
They don't go out, they're fueled. The problem is that they're fucking arrows and have a shit payload. Things aren't THAT flammable that a burning stick can just fall wherever and cause problems.
Kayden Watson
tfw there´s only one gate and it´s behind two other gates
Levi Russell
Is that a lift to get in?
Matthew Morales
Yeah. Apparently there´s been one there for at least 70 years but they decided to get a newer one somewhat recently.
Jeremiah Torres
There's also next to no historical accounts of flaming arrows actually being used. It's mostly hollywood bullshit to make nice visuals for night battles.
Hudson Jackson
its kind of telling that it is absent because they did actually use fire weapons.
Justin Foster
why wouldn't I just take a torch, sneak up to this, burn it and leave?
Kayden Cox
nah you'd probly launch pots of oil over the wall with your big guns and then maybe if that wasn't good enough on its own try and ignite it with things that also had range.
Landon Nelson
Fire was used more in a tactical sense like running in on horse back and throwing torches onto the tents or setting fire to a forest to drive the army into the open. Hollywood just loves arrows too much when they weren't really very effective as a weapon in large scale warfare where everyone and their horses had shields.
Xavier Green
Pre-cannon naval stuff was all fire. Of course winning a pre-cannon naval battle might still mean your ship randomly sinks and you're never heard from again. It all seems kind of pointless to me.
Brody Hernandez
They actually used rams and such a lot. Byzantium used fire but the fire that burns on water technique died with them.
Ayden Moore
yup.
Jayden Carter
Oil burns on water, ships tend to also be covered in fucking oil by default so..... seriously that shits retarded.
Connor Hall
>You Died
Hunter Hernandez
I hope this pic doesn't awaken some odd behaviors in me.
Brandon Gray
>Arrows
>Mild annoyances
Tell that to the French
Brody Gonzalez
>Guedelon
I was saving up vacation to go spend a few weeks volunteering there, but then they changed their policy and started requiring fluency in french.
Levi Martinez
The French destroyed the English archers on many occasions. The longbow thing was a meme that only started because some retard thought it was a good idea to charge across a muddy field while the english longbows were 'wet from the rain' when actually they were dry because the english had them covered.
en.wikipedia.org
Take this for example. A few hundred knights routed a force of 5k archers killing half in the process.
Dominic Bennett
A castle is a fortification.
Easton Scott
Juan Perry
this art is Jow Forumsino
Zachary Roberts
A few hundred knights attacked a retreating army and slaughtered them. But got btfo'd at numerous battles even when they vastly outnumbered the English. Even the battle of Verneuil, where archers got wrecked, still shows the threat they posed. When you're committing your best equipped and expensive knights to focus on cheap to arm and maintain peasants, it shows they're a threat.
Call the English longbow a meme all you want, it won't make it so, and there was a reason why archers were feared and hated. They dominated the battlefield for at least two centuries.
Landon Gomez
>Retreating army.
>They were literally digging in and trying to reposition when they got ambushed.
???
Archers were useful but they were hardly the great threat that the English like to paint. Knights and Infantry were always the biggest part of war. The pike was much more relevant than the longbow.
The problem with archers is that when the enemy doesn't go full retard and forget to bring a shield/horse barding then they don't really make a dent before the cavalry rush over and shatter them.
Ethan Rogers
Archers die but more important than being cheap they're controllable. Mneuevering people with their ears covered (even with just cloth) in a loud violent melee is probably slow going.
Robert Mitchell
Holy shit, that thing's real? Call of Duty got something right, for once.
Aaron Barnes
CoD was always scenery porn.
Carter Howard
Well yeah. I'll give you that the archer's greatest strength was being dirt cheap and easy to conscript in large numbers while also being more useful than lightly armoured melee troops which had all but died out by that time. Didn't stop the French BTFOing the Brits during the hundred years though.
Hudson Reed
imagine the smell of all that pig and horse shit right next to your house.
fucking nords
Kevin Taylor
Seems to me if your archers are getting rekt the battle's already forgone conclusion.
Caleb Taylor
That's how you guarantee rat-water
Also some of these pics make castles look comfy. They make them look well lit, especially the lower levels.
Living in castles was unsanitary hell.
Angel Ward
Nah. You can lose a whole bunch of archers but if your infantry hold they can group up again and cause some trouble. The problem is that there are so many of them that it actually takes quite a bit of time to finish them off and they can run fairly fast while scattering because they only need to take their bow and arrows with them. Knights generally weren't in sufficient number to kill them at a decent pace nevermind surround them so they can't flee.
Jeremiah Turner
Surprisingly, fire arrows weren't terribly effective against wooden forts. Most of the time they would plaster over the wood to make it look like stone. Other times it would take so long to set the logs alight without kindling that the defenders could douse the arrows with water or sand before any damage could be done.
I keep forgetting about these things. They're pretty much the final triumph\hurrah of fixed defenses.
I know, right? That's final boss material.
Isaiah Morris
ACKCHYUALLY
Long-bowmen werent quite the cheap, disposable asset you pretend them to be. You had to train them up from early adolescence as the draw weight was so high. The amount of training required is so intense that archaeologists can tell the bones of longbow-men from other soldiers to physical abnormalities they developed through said training.
Generally, longbow-men were indentured yeomen who would have formed part of their respective lords household retinue and were effectively semi-landed professional soldiers. They were also armed by their lord or king or whoever they were working for, as apposed to regular yeomen who were required by law to arm themselves or peasants who were just levied cannon-fodder.
TL;DR: They were quite expensive and valuable.
Colton Mitchell
Something like a Flaktower would be cool, the problem is that the towers were never designed to withstand ground attacks.
Also, in [Current Year], surface based fortifications don't stand a chance.
Elijah Martinez
Justin Sullivan
Nigga, have you ever tried to set a solid log on fire?
Landon Jones
Obviously the surrounding area was covered by water when this was built.
Google: Topplerschlosschen
Aaron Wilson
I would like to thank all those who have contributed pictures into this thread. I got lot's of new ones into my /castles folder.
This thread makes me feel funny in my chräm.
Pictured: St. Olaf's Castle, Finland
Julian Peterson
>arrows being messengers of death instead of mild annoyances
Tell that to the majority of the world that was conquered by the mongols. They had a cultural aversion to spilling their enemies blood on them, so they preferred bows, siege equipment, and early firearms
Robert Gomez
Holy fuck, that's a brilliant location.
Aaron Butler
Jose Collins
youtube.com
St. Olaf's Castle and it's development over the years. It used to have 5 great towers, but nowdays only 3 are still standing. One tower simply collapsed due to unknown/structural reasons, and the other one BLEW THE FUCK UP as it was the gunpowder storage and some dumb fuck smoked a pipe (or something) inside.
Even these days it is still used as an Opera festival area because fuck you, it's cool.
Logan Reed
Benjamin Perry
Christian Rogers
Why would you think they would be moving a large army? Army's are expensive and need to eat. 20 men, likely local populace, could hold off 100 in a fort like that
Jeremiah Carter
>another round housing district
Mouths to feed
Eli Rodriguez
Ryan Rodriguez
That's legit
Aaron Fisher
5 out of 8 survived , the legends in pic got destroyed by the british after the war. Hamburg have still the normal version like in berlin and Vienna the little ones. Also they had their little brothers, the Hochbunker (above ground bunker).
My grandma said they were a lot safer than normal underground bunkers when the sirens start howling.
Josiah Thompson
Roman forts have such a comfy feel to them
Christian Powell