Are SMGs really obsolete, even on short ranges?

This. Even with just doing security on a boat, a SMG would be pretty nice for that tight as fuck spaces

Does 17 hmr have any penetration ability? Too light weight prob, yeh?

>Once you're writhing around breathless on the ground it doesn't matter if you're wearing level IV and the other guy only brought 9mm, you're fuckin done kid
every day another one of you retards posts this fudd lore bullshit again

It has some, but it's a very, very light bullet.

It's a very small fast projectile.

It's the closest thing to the 4.3x30mm I can think of in common Amerimutt calibers.

summerfagteen/10

And SMGs will be stopped by soft armor, which is lighter and can cover far more than plates.

Nothing goes through level IV plate. Not 308, not 30-06. Even the AP rounds.
Jesus only an out of spec 338 Lapua round barely pulls it off.

Yeah, but any rifle round can penetrate level 3A which is a concern if you need to shoot Captain Tyrese and his merry band of Ebay armor bandits

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