"Combat Magnum"

>Says 9mm is fine
>USE .22WMR!

He didn't say use piddly cartridges, dude.

Why not carry both ?
Use the big boi when you need it, or for looking cool, but keep that Glock 40 with the extendo clip for sticky situations. Like when you shoot yourself in the leg because your fat waistband caught the trigger on your draw.

Does defensive factory ammo normally come loaded with lightweight bullets? I usually see heavier projectiles due to them offering greater material for expansion.

C-more is not the same.
I like the various reticles, 2 colours and intensity levels, C-mores don't offer that.

May as well carry a rifle at that point.

Or all 3.

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Before anyone responds please watch this video

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The term "combat magnum" is many decades old. It was a Smith & Wesson model back when revolvers were more commonly used in combat.

>> like a .44 Desert Eagle or S&W R8
Totally different guns.
The deagle is fucking huge and fucking heavy. If you're carrying that you might as well carry a subgun. For example, MP5K weighs about the same as a Desert Eagle...is much more controllable and has a lot more capacity.

S&W R8 is a specialty gun for the guy carrying the shield in an entry team who needs a weapon he can operate with one hand (no slide-racking), and won't malf if the slide hits his shield. They're nice, but I can't imagine what other application they would be optimal for.

>Revolver by design places the handgun into the most natural feeling position for aiming.

>install a super high mounted red dot that raises that plane a half foot.

Online reviewers have really liked the S&W R8. Considering it is roughly the size of other full size service handguns, it's probably one of the best options out there.

However, I'm just a fag with an opinion.

No. Don't dodge the question faggot. He said (or more likely (you) said) capacity is king. Implying dumping a bunch of rounds into the target is the MOST important thing. So take your logic to its logical conclusion. Why wouldn't you use a high cap gun like the Keltec PMR 30 since you just want to punch a bunch of holes in something. This is why I hate 9mm fags. Your line of logic doesn't hold up and then you come into a thread about high power handguns and shit it up with talking points you don't even understand yourself.

Please listen to the following starting @ 00:09:28

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>23yr old, 5'7" 143lbs knife wielding perp
>6 shots of .45LC Silvertip HP into the chest at contact distance
>5 rounds of 158gr +P LSWCHP 38spl from a j frame into the center of the back at contact distance
>2 rounds of 44mag 240gp LSJFP in upper torso from 15 feet
>1 round of 44mag in the thigh
>1 round of 44mag to the knee(this shot ended the fight as attacker loses mobility)

>BAC of .05
>no drugs in system

>attacker lived for 10 more days

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Isn't .50AE much stronger than .44mag and .357mag anyways?
I feel like if you're thinking about getting a combat magnum you might as well get a Desert Eagle. Or maybe a Wildey Survivor if you're rich. Higher power than .44, one extra round, and quick mag changes.

Hornady makes a 200 grain offering, Fiocchi makes a really good defensive load in 200 grains, PMC makes a great 180 JHP. Those are just the few off the top of my head.

This is a retarded, sloppy study, combining many inaccurate reports. it has been debunked. And meta studies for something like shootouts are about as brainlet as you can get.

So take your logic to my sperg absurd conclusion.
Why stop at .22 WMR, user?

>Why wouldn't you use a high cap gun like the Keltec PMR 30 since you just want to punch a bunch of holes in something
Because 22 WMR is a rifle round, and it's weak as fuck fired from a pistol.

Your autism is preventing you from realizing that there's a certain minimum level of power considered reasonable. The goal of capacityfaggots is to get as much capacity as possible while still maintaining that minimum level of performance. user didn't bother to mention that when he said "capacity his king" because it's automatically assumed by non-autists.

>>durr why not load up 4mm flobert, you could get a hundred of them in a handgun

>Muh drug fueled outlier

Yes there are always methed out retards that serve as exceptions. You have contributed nothing to the argument other than to

>well ACKSHUALLLY

this thread up. Fuck off.

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It's more powerful than both. It also feeds more reliably than either .44 or 357 in a semiauto.

But like user posted above, if you can carry a deagle then you can carry an MP5.

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>drug fueled

lol he didn't even read the post....

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I mean, I think both are valid options. You can always get an Uzi pistol or TMP pistol or something.
I just think the idea that Deagles are "uncarryable" is dumb. It's like the AR fags that scream bloody murder if your AR has a single ounce of weight it "doesn't need."

Oh, I don't think anyone is saying that they're uncarryable. It's just that if you're committing to carrying that much bulk and weight, why not carry something that's more practical?

>minimum level of performance

Which is a nebulous, goal post moving term you just came up with, right now. There is no level of stated performance if "capacity is king." You're just picking a popular, inexpensive round and saying "well obviously someone should pick THIS round cause it has minimum level of performance." why not 380 auto, why not .25 acp? You're moving goalposts.

>"capacity his king" because it's automatically assumed by non-autists

Again see above, by whom? Most people aren't going to take on an airdropped version of Aids Ridden Antifa or Taliban in your local metro area with your semi auto and additional 3 magazines of ammo. its just retarded for the average citizen although that's your decision. At least be honest with yourself and say, "if I want to poke lots of holes in things and hope to hit something, a PMR 30 with FMJ makes the most sense for that." You just parrot shit people say

>There is no level of stated performance if "capacity is king."
That's your autism talking. Stop listening to it.

>" why not 380 auto, why not .25 acp? You're moving goalposts.
You never asked me for my preferred round. I was just hoping to clarify things for you since I lack the autism which prevents you from understanding the capacityfag argument. But since you asked:
380 auto has the same diameter as a 9mm, thus it doesn't offer any capacity advantage to 9. 9 is preferable to 380 because it's more powerful yet offers no capacity disadvantage.

.25 ACP? Too weak.

Personally, I'm not a capacityfag. IMHO the ideal carry gun is a J-frame with a bobbed hammer, or a subcompact in .380. I value concealment and comfort over capacity, and I don't expect to need a crazy number of shots.

>At least be honest with yourself and say
Myself? I'm not a capacityfag. I just lack your autism and can understand where they are coming from.

>if I want to poke lots of holes in things and hope to hit something,
I thought I just explained that to you. They don't want to just "poke lots of holes in things". They want to poke as many holes in things as possible, while maintaining a certain minimum standard of performance. Statistics shows us that that minimum standard lies around the .380/9mm mark. Since .380 offers no capacity advantage over 9, they choose 9. Is this really so hard to understand? Fuck, I don't agree with it but I can still follow it.

Holy shit dude. Straight up terminator. Even with 10 shots it didnt stop him. Honestly it's an abnormality but good listen I'll check out the rest

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Checked
>This is a retarded, sloppy study, combining many inaccurate reports. it has been debunked.
Cool, point me to a more accurate and in depth side by side study because this is the best one I've seen involving this many incidents and calibers

It's useful sometimes if you run into an enemy with some body armor. The shear kinetic energy of a magnum round is often enough to shock or injure even if you don't penetrate.

On the flip side, I'd go with a 5.7mm since it was designed to pierce armor.

Yes, we all know, it gets posted here weekly. We also have dozens of stories of guys surviving all kinds of bullshit through various wars

Because a K-frame .357 is also a combat magnum and doesn't weigh 28lbs. Its just a holdover name from the days of revolvers being service weapons and generally implies adjustable sights for the selected load of the guy taking the gun into harms way

If you're playing the odds, you might as well not carry a gun at all

You're on Jow Forums, some folks here are willing to carry dragon dildos. We're gonna carry something.

For the weight and size of the Desert Eagle, and it’s [relative] unreliability, there’s many more things more effective for the weight, you’ve clearly never handled one but I wouldn’t want to be lugging one around for any longer than I had to, you literally might as well carry a full size rifle.

What odds? The fatality and stopping power are in favor of .357

Somewhat related: is the reliability issue due to underpowered ammo or the rimmed cases of .44? Or is it just an inherently touchy system?

Aren't there derringers in .357? Would you roll with 2 shots?

Nah I roll with pic related

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>Another discussion devolving into a capacity vs. stopping-power debate
>Nobody bothering to answer the questions in OP.
This place is a wreck.

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.22lr or short?

I cc a Taurus 44 and a Judge for back up. For me, its all about that power. If it's less than 1000 ft lbs of energy its not going to be effective. Even 10meme

.22lr
I'm obviously being facetious but I unironically do want one of these little things

Not him but me
As far as I'm concerned with all the lawyerfags and law fuckery that all of us are currently getting railed by, every round you send down range ( and down range can be from on your back, bleeding out, trying to hit the guy currently raping your wife in your own home) is a fucking lawsuit waiting to fuck your ass harder than the person trying to do you dirty. So keep your bullets to a minimum, keep it non threatening, don't be a capacity whore as this will come up in trial ( I don't give a fuck about your nigger tier response about how that isn't taken into account or whatever the fuck precedent you are still clutching to) as every detail of your kit on that day can and likely will come to haunt you, making you wish you had just taken the rape/mugging instead of defending yourself. The only people who get away with mag dumping 9's by the dozens are the police, your ass will be lucky. I'm not saying this like I like it, just that it's our world now.

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Real men use the. 22 short version.

The only correct answer is a glock 40 converted to 9x25 Dillon shooting 65gr Lehigh XDs 2500fps

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The fuck is that little pea shooter gonna do?

No u

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Rifle like PWC and barfier blind to soft armor.

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Wanting capacity in case you need it is not the same thing as "lol, just magdump.exe when you see the bad guy"

I'm not even advocating for capacity, like I said in the post you just replied to, but it's disingenuous to think that just because someone wants capacity they plan on firing more rounds than absolutely necessary.

> as every detail of your kit on that day can and likely will come to haunt you,
Find me a SINGLE example of that ever having been an issue in a court of law, or stop spreading fudd tales.

>tfw just bought a .357
it's a little heavy but fuck would I trust that over my glock 19 if shit went down

Both are good for different purposes but honestly 357 magnum is a joke.

I don't have to find you the damn evidence, we are losing and this will be in a court room someday soon that will fuck someone up. Sure it might be in a blue state first, but it's coming for us all if we let it.

I dunno, 7 rounds and a 4" barrel is pretty nice

Fuck off retard

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The R8 as an alternative for the 1911 in SWAT applications doesn't seem very retarded to me.

>What handguns best fit this role/are the most practical in application?

A 10mm Semi Auto. Substantial but manageable recoil and you still have good magazine capacity.

If 10mm doesn't cut it then you're looking at rounds for Grizzly bears.

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Cope. 110% cope. I'm sorry I really am, but this is where we are headed and you know it
>user, why did you need 30 baby killin bullets to defend yourself?
>user, why did you need a concealable throat slitting, tactical death black colored, 2.5in liner lock murder blade?
>user, why did you need a personal murder spree prolonging first aid kit on you when you defended yourself against my client Mr. Hernandez?
Hyperbole? Only today, reality tomorrow

For .44, all you need are good, hot, jacketed 240gr bullets with good nose geometry and it’s very reliable, at the range specifically.

In a combat situation without a good firing stance? You’d have failures to feed where the slide almost locks up, but needs a good smack to fully lock up.

Recoil is mild though

Also all Desert Eagles rust like bitches and need constant oiling if handled.

The rimmed cases of the 44 and the 357 are disadvantages for sure, but the huge variability of ammo is the bigger concern.

Revolver rounds don't have to worry about cycling an action (generally speaking) so the loads aren't necissarily designed to do that. Some loads are too light to reliably cycle. Semiauto ammo is of course designed for semiautos so it's rare to find ammo that's too light to cycle the gun...but it happens for semis which fire revolver rounds because the revolver rounds aren't necessarily meant to cycle a semi. It's extra complex in the Deagle because is gas operated. So the ammo doesn't just have to have enough power, but it has to have the right pressure curve too.
I've found the .50 AE and .440 Corbon to be very reliable.

If you're packing a 30 round mag and you only fire a handful of rounds that's proof that you showed restraint.
If you're packing a 30 round mag and you needed anywhere close to that many rounds then I assume the circumstances will be able to explain why (huge number of attackers, you missed a lot for some reason, the attackers were on drugs or had armor, etc.)
If you have a 30 round mag and you just pepper someone for no reason then you're an idiot.

You and I both know that's almost impossible and rarely happens. I could probably count times something like this has happened on my fingers.

I've been arguing against carrying what would likely be determined to be an excessive, assault load out. Not for doctrinal reasons but for the real potential of legal concerns and risk management. I'm Californian so I'm biased in my thinking that nobody is on my side and that every aspect of a life or death encounter is to be under intense, fuck me, scrutiny. A reality where I have no rights, a reality where I would have been better off getting fucked up by some other dipshit and being able to remain free versus helping myself only to be financially ruined and or incarcerated in what would otherwise be a legitimate and clear cut case of being in the right, in perhaps anywhere else in the country sans similar states. I've been called a retard faggot for what I believe are now entirely realistic concerns; sure my wording has not been the most concise or introspective, but most people here who might actually daily carry are not going to be Californian. I live under the threat of having to absolutely justify my actions of defense within literally my own home with an upsettingingly real possibility of losing out on such a case.

besides the fact that you misread the post, drugs are not an invulnerablility potion.

I killed a guy breaking into my parents home when I was 12 with a nylon 66 using CCI stingers... Only fired 2 shots, both landed in the guys neck.

I killed a guy with 2 rounds of CCI stingers to the neck from a nylon 66 when I was 12.. he climbed through my bedroom window while he was high on LSD. Shit was pretty quick and he didn't move after he got the floor. That was early 1990s

Anyone have/shot a Coonan classic? Thinking about picking one up

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This post didn't post the first time, thought it don't go through.

>I've been arguing against carrying what would likely be determined to be an excessive, assault load out.
Why?
Nobody in this thread suggested you should carry an excessive assault loadout. You replied to me talking about excess capacity after I told you my preference was for a J-frame or a .380 subcompact. I'm clearly not advocating anyone pack 30-rounders, and I don't think anyone else in the thread is either.

I have, though I don't own one. It was very well made, extremely accurate. I only shot one kind of ammo but it was totally reliable for me. Only gripe I had was no checkering. The grip is pretty wide, but I have big hands so it felt good to me.

I must have wrongly replied to you, currently doing calisthenics so maybe was mixed up from that. I would also carry a revolver or a semi in .32
I'd personally love to use a Beretta cheetah in .32 but I can't get one in California

The TRR8 is better. Nicer trigger and you can take the lower rail off.

I think I remember this story

Ide probably bomb the law office if they tried that.

Can you say that a little louder into the microphone please?

Can you not fucking read?

Get a .460 Rowland, it's biggerer.

>your honor, I have FBI crime statistics here for home invasions. As you can see it is typical for there to be more than one.
The end.

>rimlock
stop being facetious

Talking to people like you about autistic false assumptions is like talking to an alcoholic about alcoholism.

You are who he was talking about. A faggot who hates the argument so much you go to the exact opposite end of the spectrum to prove a point. If you like power so much, why not carry a one shot 950 JDJ handgun? Guarantee one shot stop?

Is that autistic enough for you to understand?

it’s called rim catch

>And that's why you dumped all 17 rounds into Mr. Jamaltrious Deshawn? Because you suspected extra accomplices in the building?

So when capacity fags say
>I want more bullets! My 9mm is fine
Power fags scream
>lol 9mm

Now you're saying shoot less bullets to be safe, but following that logic, 1 errant 9mm will do neglible damage down range but your supah powered magnum rounds will demolish the local diner down the block

Don't have errant rounds. Fag.

>being facetious about facetiousness

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He literally mentions the possibility of missing as a consideration.

Hit or miss
I guess they never miss

>I only shot him as many times needed, that just happen to be 17.

The Combat Magnum is either a S&W model 19 or model 66. Any other responses are ignorant fucking idiots who don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

> he hasn't shot +p+ magnum loads from his monster dong frame revolver into arab immigrant dindu hostage takers

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What about these guys?

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I read somewhere that they use it because the shields interfere with the slide action.