Sukhoi S-70 okhotnik + UCAV general thread
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Somehow S-70 make americans angry, even more than Yak-141.
>"stealth is obsolete just look at the F-117"
>copy the F-117
Russians everyone.
>copy Convair Model 200
>claim Americans copied them
I'm seeing a pattern here.
the first mad Burger.
Like pottery.
Why would burgers be mad over vatniks being several decades late when it comes to stealth?
That's what he's asking you: why are you so upset?
Why are you squealing?
Have food.
>if i reapeat it enough times it will become true
Is this some russian cultural thing?
We don't need a fucking general for this, especially when all you do is post the same images
these threads are an embarrassment, vatniks kill yourselves.
Says someone who keeps repeating S-70 is a copy of F-117, lol.
I think so
>x is not true
>heheheh why you so mad kid heh
>UCAV general thread
Not OP's problem butthurt mutts keep shitting it up.
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Is that supposed to be an unmanned AWACS? Kinda cool.
you """people""" will come into other threads, ones that get dozens of images and will charter genuine discussion and shitpost into them. all of the shitposts are easily and consistently disproved but it doesn't stop you kids from reposting them ad-nauseam at every opportunity.
whats really embarrassing is that these threads have little to no content in them, it's the same handful of images that get re-posted repeatedly by the same dozen people. these threads are just made so you can go into your hugbox with the small handful of other vatniks that browse this board.
REEEE TRIANGLE PLANES REEEE COPY REEEE
basically everyone in this fucking thread
Is the Okhotnik meant primarily for A2A like the newer western UCAVs in testing, or is it more of a strike platform that's slaved to the Su-57 for control?
>I'm seeing a pattern here.
Its how russians deal with everything: Its something bad? No, You! It is sonething good? No, we did it (first).
I wonder who’s behind this thread
Yeah, it's Tupolev concept IIRC.
I think it´s a strike platform and Su-57 ´s loyal wingman.
It's clearly a heavy strike drone. but I don't suppose they will just ignore the possibility of it carrying A2A missiles, especially if it can assist interceptors on patrol with R-37.
That's the thing I don't really get. If it's primarily meant for A2G strikes as opposed to air combat, why bother using a manned fighter as a control system? Is it an issue of satellite bandwidth availability for the Russians?
>why bother using a manned fighter as a control system
Possibility is not the same as necessity. Besides, everything you hear about the so-called "Su-57's loyal wingman" role is just gossips based on god knows what. Officially T-50-3 is a test platform for S-70 avionics, hence the new distinctive paintjob.
You do realize the F-117 and subsequent designs were based on research done by the Soviet Ufmitsev right? Lockheed's designs of the F-117 and B2 based itself almost entirely on his calculations of stealth.
Also the S-70 is a UAV and while a vaguely similar design philosophy is being followed (stealth), it is a completely different design to the F-117. This is like saying that the Dodge Charger is a rip-off of the Ford Mustang because they're both vaguely similar muscle cars.
>copy technology our boys developed in the 70s
yeah i'm literally shaking over here
We should sanction their biggest exports for stealing tech again
mathematical theories that were formulated and discarded because russians are so painfully fucking retarded that they will hand out military intelligence because they're too poor and stupid to make any of it work.
your post doesn't say anything good about the soviets and even less about russians in general because of just how brain dead retarded you have to be to literally hand that information out for free and have your enemy take it and actually do something tangible with real world applications. so yes, let's keep bringing up that he proposed those theorems like it makes the argument that russians are not retarded any better.... it does not and will not ever be the case.
Not a burger but nice try there faggot.
Oh boy there we go. If you want to play the "who discovered/invented it first" game, I have really bad news for you, because all of Ufimtsev's work was based on the work of other scientists, most of which weren't Russian.
Ufimtsev didn't study stealth at all, he studied electromagnetic waves and how they behave with other materials. Stealth aircraft are an US invention, Ufimtsev's work simply allowed to improve the designs. And no, they aren't entirely based on his work either.
Except that if one car comes out first and the other has quite similar features, chances are there was some copy. It would be retarded for Russians not to study US stealth aircraft designs and use them as inspiration.
Awesome!
>and discarded because russians are so painfully fucking retarded
Brainlet "education".
I guarantee you live under a US protectorate.
>moonspeak
Not an argument
F L A T
That's, like, 95% of the world that has access to the internet, user. If you aren't a Russian, Nork, Chinese, Iranian, or Venezuelan, you're probably living under US military protection of some kind.
Are we pretending that Russia has even a fraction of the resources and expertise in low RCS and unmanned aircraft as the US?
I mean, I like to occasionally Vatnik on behalf of Russian tanks and shit, but let's not kid ourselves..
Belkan witchcraft detected.
Why are you comparing it to a F-117, which used completely different stealth mechanics (facet)? It's more of a B-2 rip, and clearly it's designed for lifting wing because of payload and construction simplicity not because of stealth primarily. Russians don't put stealth on the forefront, EVER, it's always cost-to-performance ratio first, reliability second, ease of maintenance third, EWAR fourth, etc, etc, etc, and stealth dead last.
You don't know anything about stealth if you think this is a copy of a freaking F-117... although as shit as F-117 is it is actually more stealthy than F-35 which is even more shit.
America abandoned all their engineers who knew anything about it in the early 90s. It's why every subsequent stealth aircraft and drone is less capable and more expensive than the one before it.
Meanwhile Russians kept a core of people who understood stealth and have developed on them, most of their restrictions were funding not knowledge.
I honestly can't tell if that was satire or you genuinely believe that. Congrats.
>WOW ARE YOU SERIOUS
Your lack of processing power is not an argument.
Your only evidence is the unsourced that newer American stealth and unmanned aircraft are somehow less capable than previous ones. That's dumb, and you're wrong.
Strike standoff missile barge. If it can carry 4 long range anti ship missiles plus 4 on another drone plus 4 on the Su-57 then its got good saturation already. Still no S-Ducts because it only needs to go within standoff range to fire munitions instead of going as near as an F-35 needs to go for strike missions.
Latency and probably literally a man in the loop.
>it only needs to go within standoff range to fire munitions instead of going as near as an F-35
The F-35 can internally carry 2 Joint Strike Missiles (basically a modified NSM) internally for standoff missions.
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Russia invented stealth. America used an obscure Russian researcher's book on radar reflectivity to design the F-117.
The F-35s will see it before it's within standoff range. Which is why stealth is important.
So this is F-22/Su-57 all over again.
>its another vatnik containment thread
>mathematical theories that were formulated and discarded because russians are so painfully fucking retarded that they will hand out military intelligence because they're too poor and stupid to make any of it work.
>ussr creates tech
>too poor to make it work
????
>mom the russians copied f117!
>did you told them how every stealth aircraft looks very similiar to the ho 229?
>no nazis dont count they were based
>a Flying wing
>F-117 copy
???
If mutts want to be butthurt about something why not compare it to a B-2?
The butthurt is rising.
F-35 radar is not capable of that. The drone is also low observable. And stop using 'stealth' if you don't know how it works.
No, but it's a common misunderstanding.
>biggest export
What, like HIV and hot young prostitutes?
Yeah, the F-35's radar is limited by the energy the aircraft can generate with a ram air turbine and by the fact that it is a physical object that acutely exist. This prevents it from detecting or tracking fictional objects.
Source?
Stealth is mostly a meme, it works only in air-air engagements, and not even that anymore since syslinks with ground radars exist.
Stealth is a meme americans fell for because their average iq is lower than 80. Radar Jammers is the way to go and Russia is moving in the right direction
Phased array radar is next to impossible to jam and if the land radar is big enough the plane cant jam it beyond a certain distance
>nazis makit first
>NO EVERYONE STOLE IT FORM USA
you must be one of those retards that believed that europe also stole concorde from you
what kind of source you need to understand how radars works?
less energy input less detection range
more energy input more detection range
>being this retarded
If Russians didn't put stealth as a priority, why the fuck are they building a fucking flying wing out of all things? How can you type up something so fucktarded without even wondering if you might be wrong?
There are some exact same features on the F-117, RQ-170 and that drone. What's very likely is that they encountered some smaller issues, for example aerodynamics on the wingtips, wondered how the USA solved that problem, tested that solution and found that it worked well. Of course, this isn't exclusive to Russians and I was just fucking around about the F-117 in particular, especially in response to someone claiming the F-35 is a copy of the Yak-141. But there clearly was some copy. The fact alone that it's stealthy means it copied a US invention.
Also it's amazing how it's always the morons with no understanding of the subject at all that feel the need to "educate" others. The F-35 is stealthier than the F-117, and it was claimed as such to start with. The flat surfaces on the F-117 are already are a good example as to why. If you lower the wavelength, the reflected waves are reflected into an increasingly large cone. Eventually this can compromise stealth.
name a stealth plane that doesnt share design features of other planes
literally name one
Yeah because you don't reinvent the wheel for the sake of being 'different'.
>uses vhf band to illuminate your stealth plane
pshh, nothing personel
>quite similar features
Yeah, like, for example, uh... they both have wheels, I guess?
Fucking retard.
>why the fuck are they building a fucking flying wing out of all things
Because it's a good aerodynamic shape for long range subsonic flights that also retains stealth characteristics, moron.
>for example aerodynamics on the wingtips
I guess every airliner with wing tip devices are copies of Heinkel He 162A then, right?
Fucking retard.
>The fact alone that it's stealthy means it copied a US invention.
[this is what americans actually believe]
>Wild weasels your SAM Sites
pshh, nothin personnel, kid.
>meanwhile in reality: every bigger nation that can is attempting to build or buy stealth planes...
Except "his SAM site" is not a lone standing S-125 in the middle of the desert and you are basically fucked.
IMPRESSIVE combat record there
Aha, the famous russian "come at me and try it" pre-hit stance that always comes before something is actually battle tested and bombed into oblivion, only so the same people overhying the effectiveness before then spend the rest of the threads trying to derail and bury the topic.
Impressive lack thereof against it in your SEAD department.
Ah, the famous American combat record against contemporary IADS, or rather lack thereof. Go brag about bombing S-125 in 2019 or something, lol. That's the best you could ever do.
No need for SEAD, Israeli shit on S-400's A2/AD bimonthly with F-16 and stand off munition.
>Is it an issue of satellite bandwidth availability for the Russians?
Probably, considering they rely on GPS
>Another "Lesser peoples celebrating the shootdown of an oversized airhog" episode
This is the part where you seethe
This is the part where you cope
>they rely on GPS
Your iPhone or whatever uses GLONASS, retard.
>shootdown
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