Are these any good? And no, I can't get a gun

>wife-beater can't get a gun
>buys a fucking club

Just end it.

There's a hundred other possibilities.

>I don't trust pepper spray for shit
Confirmed for having never taken a spray to the face. It is easily more debilitating than a taser, and the pain does not fucking stop. Even the rinse fucking stings.

You can absolutely power through that shit, it's all about endurance and determination.

>There's a hundred other possibilities.

Most of these threads are dumbasses who got rung up for assault for a barfight or domestic abuse. Carrying around a club or keeping it within arm's reach in your car is enough to trigger police scrutiny. I'm not saying these idiots don't have a right to defend themselves, but shit like this just gives them an excuse to be overly aggressive about it.

The best part about having a gun for self-defence is that you will rarely ever have to fire it. Carrying around a club for self-defence is like saying "I want a legal reason to beat the shit out of someone".

nigger please, to get a gun I would have to pass a physical and psychological exam, then I'd have to pass an exam about gun laws in my country, then a practical exam at a shooting range and I'd have to give a "good reason" for me carrying a gun with me. If you're a gun dealer here you can't get a permit for carrying cause the police will tell you that "you're insured and have alarms" or some shit. And I would get my gun confiscated as soon as I killed some with it in self-defense, because it counts as a crime, even though I would get little to no penalty. Getting a gun for self-defense here is out of the question

This isn't going to save your life

move to the USA legally. Problem solved.

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>I can't get a gun because I'd have to deal with the laws
>Better get a club

Why not just carry around a kitchen knife, you sociopath?

>"I want a legal reason to beat the shit out of someone".
Not him, but I do

>move to USA
>get shot
>meet new neighbor Jose
>get robbed
>meet Tyrone on the street
>get shot
>meet le 56% poster from 4chang
>get stabbed

No thanks.

Tonfa + martial arts lessons would be better in my opinion.

They are no match for a gun but old japanese martial artists have beat up bears.

There we go, OP is just a Europoor.

No.

In most cases I see the use of a baton will fall in to one of barely overlapping groups, "effective" or "legal". To keep it short, it is way to easy to go from legel self defense to illegal assault while using a baton.

There are better alternatives that will inflict a shit tonne more pain while dealing little damage. Pic related.

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>>I can't get a gun because I'd have to deal with the laws
It's not that, out of 16302 new weapon permits in 2018 only 121 (0,7%) were for self-defense, if I could get a gun I wouldn't have made this thread.
That's not OP, but yes I'm a European

Your chance of being a victim of all combined violent crimes is .05%.

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Is that a dildo?

Mama didn't raise me to buy a unitasker appliance.

I might just be a little bitch, but I went to rub my eye shortly after testing some pepper spray out, and it was massively inconvenient. You would definitely find it much harder to go on the offensive in a fight if you took a full on hit to the face. You can power through it, and that's why user there suggested pairing it with the baton. Debilitate and rush your opponent, the same basic strategy of just throwing dirt in the attacker's eyes. It's just a lot spicier.

Highly dependent on the person. Some people can do an hour of cardio with that shit in their face. Other buckle down after 2 seconds.
I have noticed that Asians are fairly resistant.

Good idea but where i live you still need a fireamrs license to buy ammo and if I had one I might as well just buy a modern revolver

Collapsible batons are for tryhard faggots. You need to take up fishing, OP.
amazon.com/Hurricane-HUR-90A-Aluminum-Fish-Bat/

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Ban stater here, they’re really good and really fun to swing open.

>aluminum bat
why do stupid fucktards who have never hit anyone with a bat think these are effective? PROTIP: IF YOU ARE HITTING PEOPLE WITH IT, USE A WOOD BAT.

Proper batons are also far more effective than either.

So get a wood or steel one, you cunt. The point of my post is that he may actually get away with owning and/or carrying a fish bat or tire thumper because it's a legitimate tool that Eurofags probably won't cry over. That, or he could get an expandable baton and get fucked in the ass by his local courts, because you can't explain that shit away as anything but a weapon.

Don't care, just here to tell you to quit recommending or even thinking about aluminum bats.

Also get a gun.

I'm not the Eurocuck, I own and carry a gun. It doesn't do any good to recommend a gun to someone WHO CAN'T GET AND CARRY A GUN LIKE OP. I am interested, though, to know why you think an aluminum bat or cudgel would be completely ineffective. It may not have the mass of wood or steel, but I doubt joints and skulls hold up to a good, solid swing that well. I mean, seriously, explain why you know that they lack the mass or structure for a one-and-done walloping?

Because I've hit someone with an aluminum bat before, square in the head, and he got right back up. That's how I know. It makes a pretty cool sound though.
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It's heavy and takes up space, you're not likely to actually carry it after the cool factor wears off. Seems impractical for EDC. If you really want one, yeah they work, it's a fucking metal stick. Just make sure you're getting one made of good metal that won't bend.

A kubaton is actually pretty formidable if you know how to use it. It essentially turns a hammer fist strike into a devastating attack.

Spray works, but can be turned against you. As someone who's grappled with people after spraying them, I wouldn't recomend it for anything other than an escape tool. Spray em and run.

If you live in such a tyrannical shithole you should be as physically fit as possible and carry a knife. That would be my recommendation. Even if knives are illegal, how often do you realistically get searched? You should always have the option to go deadly if you ever need it, should your body ever fail to be able to get your out of a situation, and you sure as shit better not be the one who instigated it. But, if you're ever faced with a real life or death situation, the first thing you're going to wish you did was break the law and have the weapon on your person at that moment to save you. Same goes for you guys who have guns but leave them in the car.

Different guy, but what's the problem with aluminum bats?

They're just metal sticks, you can buy them surplus but if you can't get a gun you probably can't get these California makes this a misdemeanor

>self-defense
>counts as a crime
lmao imagine being european

They're lightweight. They don't hit very hard. Watch . The dude with the bat holds them for a bit, but has to run away and escape in a car. The guys he hit are totally fine and still willing to fight.

I wonder if it could be improved by drilling a hole in it and filling it with something?

Probably can; loaded sticks have been fucking dudes up forever, why wouldn't a bat filled with shot or another dense material? I would probably improve the rigidity, too...although if you ever had to use it and the police showed up, you've have to explain why you have a bat modified explicitly to fuck shit up.

I was thinking maybe an epoxy or something, lead shot would make it real heavy I think.
Maybe I could argue I wanted a better balance for swinging at baseballs?

Collapsible batons are illegal in many places, check your local laws. Otherwise they're cheap, portable and pretty effective.

Get a high lumen heavy flashlight instead

They're annoying to cc unless you have a bag

Oh, you're yuropeon. In that case just kill yourself. Now you won't have a life or property to defend. Problem solved.

6d maglite full of D batteries, it weighs like 4 pounds full...cops in the 90s called them nigger beaters lmao

Get a gun

But i like the sound it makes tho...

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no. one whack and they bend
^this

Those asylum seekers tried that and got tortured

>When you get a 10,000 lumen flashlight and shine a burglar in your living room.

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I've seen police here using them, they didn't really seem effective, especially drunks tend to just shrug them off, guessing meth-heads will do the same.

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it's true. I still have my nigger beater
not police, but in the 90s I was a paul blart in a vegas casino
everyone called them nigger beaters.
mine has all the marks from smashing out car windows for drunks who passed out in the parking garage etc.
luckily niggers don't do any real damage to it. they just crumple. wipe the nigger grease off, and it's good

I've taken a hit to the face with one before, broke a couple teeth and bruised me but other than that I was fine. Didn't even get knocked out or fall down just some bleeding and a mouthful of teeth pieces. Go wooden if you're gonna get a bat

who did it, a 8yo girl?

There is actual law in eu countries saying that if person attacking u uses lets say a metal bat you cannot use a gun/knife to defend against him.
If he uses fists using a knife against him would count as crime and he could sue you to court winning the case.

Europe isn't one country. EU law doesn't apply to delf-defence.

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it is now

Except that in Switzerland or even Germany I have the right to defend myself, an even stronger law than in say California (das Recht braucht dem Unrecht nicht zu weichen.)

whatever you need to tell yourself, EU

You do realize that Switzerland isn't part of the EU?

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yes but at this point why even bother and not just get a steel one?

literally who?

Aluminum bats are lightweight because they're hollow, well, aluminum (thus the pretty ringing noise they make when you hit stuff with them).
They're hard, so they'll hurt some with a good thwack, but they just will not compare to a more hefty bludgeon with some weight to them.

Just compare to firearms, weight makes a substantial difference, take a 40gr .22 caliber lead roundnose projectile going at ~850fps or so (from a real short barrel), certainly dangerous, but not very impressive, compare to a 230gr .45 caliber lead roundnose projectile at the same speed, which I think we both know well and good will hit far harder and penetrate much deeper.

It's just not going to be realistic for your arms, even if you're Mr. Universe or the king of the Alabama State Masturbation Championship, to swing a lightweight bat like that fast enough to really make a good weapon out of it. Given that it'll hurt but not really subdue, I'd argue it can easily be counter productive.
A little aluminum fishbat would be great for putting a fish out of both of your miseries without doing too much damage to the body of him overall, but for a fight I frankly would outright suggest using your bare fists instead. Not a fight with the fish, I mean.

should still fucking do it, laws don't exist if nobody follows them

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>Confirmed for having never taken a spray to the face.
Confirmed for being a baby back bitch. I watched a tiny Hispanic girl take a solid dose to the face during a police academy drill, and it just made her scary. There were varying results across the students, and a couple went down, but easily 90% of them would still be dangerous--and a good few of them showed absolutely no discernable discomfort.
Just because YOU can't handle the sauce, doesn't mean that's an across the board reaction. And repeated exposure better prepares you for the effects in the future.

Not every state let's you carry. Mine hasn't issued a permit in like 10 years.

Make sure that whatever collapsible baton you buy is heat treated. Batons that aren’t heat treated bend the very first time you use them.

So are you a felon

LMAO @ euroscum’s lives

still counts as ccw in some states

lol, in my state i can get a gun but not one of these.

Also cant get nunchucks

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ballpeen is better for pest removal

read

It'll be good ONE time.

After that it'll be bent and you can't return it to the telescopic handle

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Only works 20 minutes after you sprayed the guy in the face.

Can also blow back at you.

that's why you need to carry a tactical windsock with you

As a police officer who carries one of these I can tell you they're pretty useless. And I'm not some tiny human who can barely swing it.

When the adrenaline is pumping or worse, whatever drugs are in their system, baton strikes to limbs etc are totally ineffective and we resort to other means (taser etc)

That being said, I've never struck anyone in the head with one. I imagine that smacking someone in the head with one would be super effective.

youtu.be/uDBv-Vo7B5M

Yeah, QA for sprays, even police-issue, is admittedly sketchy as fuck. It's not even a matter of "shake the can before using, dumbass", but there's just no good way to assure product testing and batch consistency with this shit.

If you take a good spray to the eyes or nose (god help you if you breathe it in), it will set you reeling properly. Problem is, you have no guarantee that the shitty can of "bear spray" you're buying at the gas station or off Amazon will actually work.

If you plan on using spray for self defence, make sure you're using it with your off-hand (I know too many women who carry their purse tight under their left arm). Spray, then hook. Even a pansy ass little bitch can slug a bastard into reconsidering things. Most of these idiot purse-snatchters and muggers are liable to run away after one or two sluggers to the face.

If you're dealing with a strung-out druggie, just fucking bolt it towards a high-traffic area. You will not subdue him.

But seriously, get a gun.

Is that you icey mike? Didn't realize you shit posted on here.

>hard blunt object is a tool made for hurting people
whoa, next he's gonna tell us that guns are for hurting people

Pepper spray or start boxing.

Just get a pr 24. These tend to break/bend and not fold up after a single use. Get the old school pr24.
T. user who is baton certified.

I haven't seen this posted since like 2010

>And no, I can't get a gun.
Not with that attitude, can't you just ask some black market Eastern European like a Ukrainian to smuggle one for you. A good couple of Vodkas and Euros is all you need for a cheap pistol or shotgun at least.

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