A little late but now that red flag laws are a thing here in Nevada how does everyone feel about it?

Wonder what's to stop a state official from being the accuser, since it is entirely anonymous.

>your accuser remains 100% anonymous through the entire process
Im pretty sure thats illegal by itself

Nope, this law in its self is already unconditional yet they don't give a fuck. Thank trump and the spineless Republicans. If you're a NV user you need to fight your hardest, go to the rallies, go to the meetings. As it stands, hardly anyone shows up to the rallies and we have no momentom. If anything, we need to start playing dirty too. We gotta hire lobbyist and bus in people from other states to protest. AZ fags, your next if you don't fight hard.

I really wanted to move to NV for my last 15 years before retirement. Guess I'll just stay in shitty PA

Too bad they're all the way in Carson City, in the middle of nowhere, so only the people getting paid can afford to show up.

>The sixth amendment, as part of the Bill of Rights, guarantees certain rights in all criminal prosecutions. One of the enumerated rights in the6th Amendmentis the right to be confronted with the witnesses against the accused. This right is known as the Confrontation Clause.
>The confrontation clause guarantees criminal defendants the opportunity to face the prosecution's witnesses in the case against them and dispute the witnesses' testimony. This guarantee applies to both statements made in court and statements made outside of court that are offered as evidence during trial.

They circumvent this by claiming it isn't a crime. In their mind, it is for everyone's safety because the person may be mentally unfit to own firearms. It isn't until they're in your home that they find something to charge you for.

police officers are allowed to present a judge with an ERPO in most states, so technically they can be an accuser
So is the PATRIOT act, hate speech legislation, gun control, and just about everything else, but when has that stopped the federal government?
the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th and 14th amendment mean nothing in an ERPO court, because apparently being white and owning guns means you are not worthy of a
- trial by jury
- court appointed lawyer, if you cannot afford one
- presumption of innocence- the very basis of an ERPO is that you are guilty and must prove yourself innocent
- or the ability to face your accuser in court

It's time to bury your guns, especially when you consider that any cop, from any state can put you on a Red Flag list through the Fusion Ctr.

>what is civil asset forfeiture
only now liberals love it because it owns the cons

if it's not a crime then how did they get a warrant for it, how can they seize your property, why do you have a court date for it, and how can thry label you guilty of not a crime?
I know it's not your opinion user but Im not able to find out the mental gymnastics behind this.

If its gotten to the point where we have to bury them then shouldn't we be using them? Isn't that the whole point of the 2nd amendment?

Because they've found their loophole and now they'll exploit it. The public isn't going to speak out against it, because they're told it is for public safety, normies even believe it is to help the person being red flagged. Unfortunately, there's little regard for the bill of rights now that old white men stopped calling the shots.

Something the british were killed for doing by the founding fathers and later were made illegal

nobody gave a shit when a bag of weed made people lose their car home and money for the last half century , now suddenly it matters .

YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF SLAVES

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Don't bother with the courts, you'll never win. Just meet their tyranny and coercion with violence. It's the only thing they understand anyway.

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Rreminder that red flag laws are a way for corporations to control people.

California, home of big tech, recently changed the people who could red flag you from just immediate family and LEOs to:

>An employer of the subject of the petition.
> A coworker of the subject of the petition, if they have had substantial and regular interactions with the subject for at least one year and have obtained the approval of the employer.
>An employee or teacher of a secondary or postsecondary school that the subject has attended in the last six months, if the employee or teacher has obtained the approval of the school administration staff.

First 2 are clearly intended to give the advantage to tech companies, legalizing SWATing as a method to keep potential whistleblowers (remember how they called a bomb threat on an ex-employee who was to testify before congress the night before he was supposed to testify?) and unmarketable consumers under control.

This comment is also worth a read: desuarchive.org/k/thread/42397319/#42397858

>- court appointed lawyer, if you cannot afford one
>- presumption of innocence- the very basis of an ERPO is that you are guilty and must prove yourself innocent
>- or the ability to face your accuser in court
Its is all false.

Lots of misinfo in this thread. Lying about bullshit does not help your case.

Every single thing you just posted is false Boomer
If you truly believe your own shit please give a real argument for why

Im taking the b8. But weed wasnt explicitly stated in the bill of rights that use and ownership of it SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Not that I have anything against those who use it, but to trivialize weed usage and the inherent right to self defense to the same level is laughable and demeaning

F, may Arizona go into overdrive on stopping this from happening there so the West may have something going for it aside from being a giant desert.

The glows have been playing internet supreme court every time discussion of red flag laws doesn't go the way they want. I've seen it happen when anons post their personal experiences with evidence and when facts relating to what acrtually happens are discussed.

Good! You fucking elitist pieces of shit finally get to feel what it’s like to live under leftist policies. Go ahead and remember every time you mocked California or NJ, NY anons. Welcome to the club, enjoy your stay!

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Red flag every leftist you know that has ever said anything violent or out of the way.

WA fag here how does one even red flag or get red flagged? 1639 can suck my dick

I've noticed the exact same thing. I've seriously considered asking them, if the rules are so fair, why don't they want to get red flagged? Apparently it's just a minor inconvenience.

Now is not the time for that. Getting yourself killed now will do nothing. Bury some of your guns off your property just in case they raid you while you're not home.

Fuck that, red flag law enforcement.

And law enforcement, let them see how much of a minor inconvenience it is.

Mods have been coming down hard on red flag threads again. I know it borders on "political discussion", but how the fuck is that fair when there are threads directly naming court cases, and threads about da bogdanovloo all over the catalog?

Why are some forms of political discussion more worthy of censorship than others?

Because the mods care more about their political opinions than actual fairness. They're all SJW's who probably don't have a job and mooch off of their parents and just want to censor anyone who has a differing opinion than them and who speaks out about it. I'm banned for posting pictures for no fucking reason. I didn't post anything that would go against global rules enough to get IP banned when months prior I wasn't. Honestly, I think it's all about personal opinion and not at all about the site's content quality. And MOD's actions just reinforce that theory

>he thinks this law applies to leftists and cops

Top jej

Felling better and better everyday that I live in Missouri

"I was complacent the whole time this was happening and now that it's spreading I'm going to continue to be complacent but smug because now others are getting fucked by the government too, gee I sure love being autistic"

>x is always talking about killing rich, corporate types and racist judges
>he said he bought a gun and has been driving through rich neighborhoods scoping things out

Alternatively
>I heard this white Nationalist saying he was going to shoot x up for y reason with z guns
>you technically aren't lying because most of them are white and all of them are national socialists (i.e Nazi's)

I once got b& for posting the chicom repellent WINNIE THE POOH copypasta in a thread where the chicom shilling was so blatant they were posting wish links. Mods didn’t touch the wish linker at all.

Left has institutional support and claims against them will be investigated for veracity. Unlike a typical right-winger.

If gun owners have to act like closet pedophiles then America is already fucking dead. Just let the boogaloo happen already

>he thinks communism and national socialism are the same thing
user are you autistic?

None of these rows add up. What a cluster fuck of a table. Do you have a link to the original document?

>anons post their personal experiences with evidence
Has anyone actual been E/RPOed and written about the experience so far in a vetted rag?

I'm pretty sure the stories are getting suppressed at this point. I recall someone on liberalgunowners on leddit saying his ex red flagged him while he was provably out of state and the DA wouldn't even consider perjury on the ex. Just a single post and no followup which I thought was suspicious. Not even responses from other people to the guy/ In fact it's kind of like that here and everywhere else every time red flag shit gets brought up.

Fucking California cancer ruins everything
Fucking ruining my state
Fucking ruining my country
Fucking ruining my life
I can't fucking wait for this country to go over the edge, it's going to fucking suck but at the end of it it'll either be Utopian USA again or the end of the conservative straight white male anyway leading to the fall of humanity probably before 2050. Either way a win win.

>but Im not able to find out the mental gymnastics behind this.
You never will, because it's unconstitutional and insane, and they don't care.

As with anything involving the legal system, get a lawyer. It matters. I really do not like that you are not guaranteed legal counsel simce I assume anything you say in that courtroom may be used against you in further criminal or even mental adjudication hearings.
abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/i-team-investigates/more-than-450-people-in-florida-ordered-to-surrender-guns-months-after-new-gun-law-took-effect

Salon and the Rhode Island ACLU point out the police filing out a ERPO have a complete justification to search your home under much less stringent requirements than a typical search warrant.
salon.com/2019/03/26/red-flag-laws-and-the-consequences-of-good-intentions_partner/

Californian here, i hate my state but its home unfortunately, the civil war cant come fast enough desu

that being said
>if i cant get my way i give up and let it all burn
is the most faggot twink perspective to have, literally its thinking like this that let CA turn into a trashpile

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>yfw socialism is literally communism lite
Get shit on, Socialists Scum

>gun owners have to act like closet pedophiles

Where the fuck have you been over the last 30 years? It's been like this since the 90s.

Found it: reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/bb3nfb/food_for_thought_red_flag_laws_are_harmful_to/

Look for DBDude's comment. I mis-remembered it but the point still stands: why the lack of responses or interest in general? It's like activity just evaporated. I see this everywhere whenever these see-something-say-something laws are discussed. Red flag laws represent an existential threat to all facets of the shooting sports hobbies, the community, and to the concept of individual rights in general but where is the massive outcry? It's entirely missing even within the group of people if directly effects.

were getting pooped on

literally just be sociable and hide your power level, the same shit you should have been doing your whole life.

>why the lack of responses or interest in general?
Because liberal gun owners are fucking idiots and not 2A in the slightest. They might own a gun and justify it because of some self-absorbed, high-and-mighty boomer-tier logic, but they don't care about the constitution and what it represents.

florida ERPOs from march 2018 to 2019. Unfortunately I lost the direct link some time ago.

you'd think with there divorce rates boomers would realize how terrible of an idea this law is

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As much as I'd like to sit smugly in my pro gun state and say well at least it's not happening to me, I can't help but realize that eventually it will. I'm just trying to spitball ideas here but we need a grassroots organization to start fighting this stuff. What if you got a group of concerned gun owners from a red flag state and started pooling money together. Let's call it insurance. Everyone pays in a monthly fee and uses that money to have lawyers on retainer and to pay for any legal fees to fight in case any member gets tattled on by their disgruntled ex wives. From a bottom up level we could work to protect each other to say nothing of richer organizations attempting to carry the case to the Supreme Court.

Based quads of levelheadedness

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Lack of interest is on the right as well, such as here.

Change that image to ex-husband and it would be correct

No, you can't. So abuse it. Thumb through the phone book and accuse every ethnic sounding name you can find. Flag 100 people a day if you can.

>attempting to carry the case to the Supreme Court.
There isn't enough money in the world to get a 2A case to the Supreme Court.

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Last time there was a mass shooting I posted a thread in which I stated that I am very pro-gun and want to keep my guns and then asked what practical steps can be taken to prevent future mass shootings so that our guns don't get taken away. The mods instantly deleted it. It sort of makes me think that maybe they are SJW, anti-gun leftists like you suggest. The experience also made me really not like Jow Forums as much as I once did. I'm from the United States and am very pro-free speech. I have to wonder if this place is being run out of communist China or something, given the heavy censorship.

I feel like I should never EVER tell anyone I have guns or discuss them with anyone. Maybe not even other gun owners unless I know them well enough to trust them with my life.

I've already had my gun and antique sword collection confiscated once by the police. I called around to some insurance agents and they all said that nobody insures property against police seizure. There's certainly a need for it though in this day and age.

I didn’t care about you chucks on the west coast yesterday, don’t care today, and won’t care tomorrow. You faggots get the leaders you deserve and can reap the consequences.

Go ahead and start that business. It’ll be fun watching you lose your ass.

Or you could just not be a stupid boomer and put your guns, money and freedom in the hands of a treacherous roastie.

If you get married in this day and age you are too stupid to have guns, money, children or anything else as she will surely take them all from you when the mood strikes.

congratulations faggot, it's law in FL too

I don’t give a fuck about FL either. Or NY. Or MA. All for the same reasons.

If you live in a state with “red flag” laws and all you do about it is whinge of Vietnamese trout fishing forums then you can go fuck yourself. You’re not going to convince anybody it’s bullshit here dude. Everyone knows. But it’s YOUR bullshit if you live there. Not mine.

Why don't you guys just Red Flag all your state officials

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it'll be your state too, give it time.
because then you'll get a SWAT raid, they care about protecting their own

If they try it in my home state Waco will look like a picnic.

What faggots like you don’t get is that not everyone IS a limpwristed little bitch. You assume so, and incorrectly. If you aren’t happy with your circumstances or are unjustly persecuted by your state it is YOUR responsibility to do something about it.

But instead you get online and bitch and moan about it. Like the little sore-assed losers you are.

>SWAT raid
And? They already took your guns. The fuck would they have on you?

The do protect their own, which is why, after they're searched for the sixth time, they'd repeal the law and/or put in exceptions which will be easy to defeat in court

fag
this
get home invaded by niggers soon please

>which will be easy to defeat in court
again with this fucking meme
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THERE IS NOT A SINGLE CASE OF A LEGAL VICTORY IN AN ERPO CASE
You know why there isn't?
Because those courts are fucking bullet proof.
There's no such thing as beating it in court. They'll come to seize your shit, laugh at you, keep it for a year or more, and give you no recourse when it's done.
>implying
it's a lot harder to do when republicans love it because a republican signed it into law, and liberals love it because muh guns

I'd go one step further: don't even hint that you are interested in anything associated with gun culture, including history. Normies are already conditioned to either expect post-modernist lunacy or Nazi "weasel words" upon hearing the term "history" so they will instantly reject it. They will immediately assign you to the "Nazi" category if they hear about guns or military, even if it's topics as "benign" as womens' and minorities' experiences in the services.

Everything is a Kafka trap. Most of the recent "potential mass shooters" were done in because family, friends, and coworkers turned them into the glows. Don't give them a reason to fuck you over. The question is what happens after they run out of people to report and they still need scapegoats to glow to claim they're "doing something". That's when I expect they will use the electronic purchase records sitting in a google/amazon/bank/marketing database to pick their next potential shooters. It's already too late for most of us should it get to that point...

Maybe because Red Flag laws are new and everyone who submitted to them is already a cuck
They're not going to fight it

Also I was specifically referring to the hypothetical "red flag law but government officials are exempt lol" law, not red flag in general

This, what the fuck is wrong with you nigger, acting as if it's the people actually choosing this shit and not the Zionist owned government doing whatever the fuck they please

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Here in VT they've been used 27 times since April. 27 times in a state as small as ours with basically no gun crime.

sevendaysvt.com/vermont/red-flags-in-the-green-mountains-how-vts-extreme-risk-gun-law-has-worked/Content?oid=28220723

Comparatively, the magazine ban law introduced at the same time has been enforced once. And as far as I know the universal background check law hasn't been enforced at all.

sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2019/02/06/man-who-trolled-kiah-morris-charged-with-buying-high-capacity-gun-magazines

It looks like there's a tendency to abuse this red flag bullshit because there's almost no legal oversight.

I’m not implying shit. If you’re such a bitch you don’t fight this nonsense and elect leaders who do, you’re a cuck and deserve to get stepped on. So I don’t give a shit about you.