>fields su-30, mig-29s, mig-27s, mig-21s, mirage 2000s, jaguars, and some shit domestic fighter
>just received a batch of rafales
>is exploring buying gripens
>approximately fourteen different service rifles in three different calibers
>approximately eleven different models of tube artillery in four different calibers
>three different spg, all in different calibers
>approximately nine different atgms
>ships and weapon systems from ~ten different countries
how is this even possible
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Yeah.
This is just a manifestation of their stratified society. India is a weird place where neurosurgeons live next to literal street shitters and their military reflects this
their military IS pretty massive, but so long as they cordon off each different weapon/caliber to certain units/branches and leave the logistics for those branches to themselves, then it may be possible
but considering they're indians... probably not and they have huge logistical issues they work hard to cover up
i have a feeling they impulse buy/accept all these different gimmick modern weapons because they think they're impressing all the western allies with all their different fancy tech
>exploring buying gripens
Source
The real reason is that they tried to play 4D chess during the cold war by flitting between the Soviets and the West, and that involved buying shit from both. Fuck 'em
Light weight fighter program.
The Tejas is a failure with ~10 minutes on combat station. Not fit for purpose.
>how is this even possible
just blame Pakistan and China whenever something doesnt work out
Thanks for the links
MASSIVE corruption.
Seriously it makes me laugh when westerners bitch about their "corrupt" governments. You niggers are like little babies.
India needs to shrink their active armed forces to under a million while divesting themselves of most of the old hardware. Too much money is going on keeping old hardware in service, pay & pensions, and a load of unnecessary bases. If they do this and redirect the money on qualitative improvements they might get better and be able to expand again in a decade. The problem of course is that all this waste is actually electoral bribes to key states and keep the generals from leaking too much embarrassing information to the press for more money, so good luck to any government trying to do it.
>inherit brit shit
>try to get the best of both West and USSR designs
>try your hand at domestic production for that sweet sweet MIC money and build a local industrial base
>failing that, continue to buy from whoever is willing to sell and give tech transfer
Thats how. They just buy whatever they can get, and dont care where it comes from. Their purchasing logic may as well be "yeah its not compatible, but it was on sale and we can build 5 parts here in India"
>america needs to shrink their active armed forces to under a million while divesting themselves of most of the old hardware. Too much money is going on keeping old hardware in service, pay & pensions, and a load of unnecessary bases. If they do this and redirect the money on qualitative improvements they might get better and be able to expand again in a decade. The problem of course is that all this waste is actually electoral bribes to key states and keep the generals from leaking too much embarrassing information to the press for more money, so good luck to any government trying to do it.
ft4u
what old hardware does america use?
Browning M2
By 2020 guys. We have 3 months left until the Indians obliterate Pakistan and take over Tibet.
Because the smart Indians left
Don't fix what isn't broken.
>fourteen different service rifles in three different calibers
They’ve officially gotten to the point where the weapon selection in fucking COD games makes more sense.
>just received a batch of rafales
Not exactly.
The first indian Rafale, the RB008, which is flying since october 30 2018, will be formally delivered to the indian Air Force testing teams IN FRANCE in 4 days from now, on september 19 2019.
The official delivery ceremony, featuring several indian VIPs, will happen on october 08 2019.
Rafale RB008 will fly IN FRANCE for years to come as it is supposed to be the LAST delivered aircraft of the initial batch for 36.
The contract stipulates all aircrafts must be delivered within 67 months after the signature of the contract signed in september 2016. Meaning april 2022.
It will serve as a bench for the modifications which will be incorporated to the rest of the fleet (mostly software and a little bit of hardware thanks to the modular architecture of the Rafale), and then join the IAF as an operationnal twin-seater aircraft.
But right now it is a "developement aircraft" used to validate the performances of subsystems before FOC.
The first four war-ready indian Rafale (RB001 and following) which are being tested right now, are going to serve as training platforms IN FRANCE for the first batch of indian instructors for the months to come.
They will land in India in april 2020 and be immediately operational (same as in Qatar). They are going to be roughly equivalent to the F3R or F3O4T ("4th tranche, treatment of obsolescences") delivered to France up to 2018. With the difference they are going to be equipped with the full array of enhanced sub-systems chosen by the IAF, with a boosted RBE2 AESA radar for example, or cold start capability, and towed decoys... and thus will gradually become much more potent. Their FOC will be achieved in 2021 or 2022 at which point they will be close to the coming F4.1/F4.2 french standards.
RB008 will fly around 1500 hours in France overall.
RB001 and 3 others will be delivered to the IAF in april 2020.
Pic related: RB001 flying with IAF markings, taken a few days ago.
Daily reminder that Paf pilots have been flying and wargaming Qatari Rafales for months.
This is a fake news pushed by a british "journalist" and BAE propagandist named Jon Lake, that was taken from a saudi fake news tabloid outlet, as so-called pakis pilots should have been trained in France among qatari pilots and their presence known by absolutely everyone.
Over 400 qatari specialists have been trained in France to fly and maintain the Rafale since 2015. 15 jets now delivered.
This fake news was used during the indian elections to steer the public vote in favor of Congress leader Rahul "Rafale is a scam" Gandhi corrupted by BAE to buy the Typhoon instead of the Rafale (see Christian Michel case).
Gandhi ultimately lost and quit political life after the biggest defeat of the Congress ever, making the RAFALE the first jet fighter to destroy the carrier of an ennemy politician.
Truly an "omnirole" fighter.
Meanwhile several high ranking pakis have flown the Typhoon which the brits were trying to sell to India to the last second, hoping for a surprise Congress party win which obviously did not happen.
pic related. But there are more I wasn't able to finds pics of. Some of that shit happened in 2005.
Plus, the saudis have extensively used pakistani pilots, but are in very bad terms with Qatar after threatening to invade them in 2017.
In this context is it realistic to believe Qatar would ask pakis to fly their Rafale currently delivered, or their Typhoons delivered from 2022 and onward?
And since the brits wanted to sell the Typhoon to India, it would have made the situation worse since pakis already know the jet as proven by the actual evidence in the links above...
And let's not forget the 36 F-15 bought by Qatar, are these going to be flown by pakis too???
So all in all, this story makes no sense, and there's still no factual proof of actuals pakis training on qatari, french, or even egyptian Rafale.
Bruh there's literally pictures of Pakistani pilots infront of Rafales.
Pakistan and Qatar wargame yearly.
>is it realistic to believe Qatar would ask pakis to fly their Rafale currently delivered
Yes
>36 F-15 bought by Qatar, are these going to be flown by pakis too??
Most likely
>imagine being indian and your west enemies literally have access to literally your entire airfleet.
>Pakis have flown/wargamed Qatari Rafales
>Pakis have flown/wargamed Chinese Sukhoi 30 MMK /J11's
>Pakis have flown/wargamed Iranian MiG 29's
>Pakis have flown/wargamed Omani Jaguars
>Pakis have operated MiG 21's
Absolutely cucked
>Bruh there's literally pictures of Pakistani pilots infront of Rafales.
These??? These are qataris!
You know? As in "people from Qatar".
Show me the pakis on the picture please.
By the way "being in front" gives anyone the knowledge of an aircraft??? Sitting in a cockpit gives knowledge too???
No, it doesn't.
However pakis flew the Eurofighter, and tested it extensively. THAT has been proven. With FACTS that I provided two posts above.
Qatar had 12 Mirage 2000-5 in their Air Force up until now. Are you going to tell us these were flown by pakis too??? For 12 aircrafts???
Are you a paki, a britbong, or a burger?
I just want to know who I am talking to.
Here is the original article by Jon Lake that even got cropped by Ainonline of the "pakis pilots" part after they got some flak for it.
>ainonline.com
No more mention of pakistani pilots... Search for it.
Pure fake news. As expected from a brit.
>>imagine being indian [...]
I'm french.
And you live in your delusion if you believe pakis have access to top grade french military equipment since the 2002 ISI-led terror attacks that killed many french engineers working on Agosta 90 submarines because France refused to pay some kickbacks to the pakis... which was proven.
Curiously since then we are selling stuff to their neighbor India.
Hmmmmmm... really makes me think.
Read and learn:
>en.wikipedia.org
So in this regard, HOW can you believe in that paki pilots stuff??????????
My God aviation threads on Jow Forums REALLY are full of cretins.
I bet the modifications indians made involved extensive pig leather in the interior. Thus repelling all pakis and other sandniggers
>pure fake news
loooooooooool
Seeething
>POOIDF flooding the thread with poo propaganda
>inb4 404 because no-no talk about Indian military on Jow Forums massreports
>top grade equipment
>french
Hahaha thanks for the laugh
Kek. Last time it was your fault for brining Jow Forums here after being btfo there.
What does an americano-indian exercice has to do with Pakistan???
??
And you still haven't dismissed or proven anything regarding so-called "paki pilots flying qatari Rafales"
Protip: "loooooool" is not an argument.
Pictures, official statements, whatever you have.
I'm not under the impression we're doing too bad compared to some others reputed manufacturers. Exports are a thing too.
Again, who am I talking with here? Americans? Brits? Pakis?
What is the narrative you're pushing?
>POOIDF flooding the thread with poo propaganda
I'm french, for the third time.
Seriously, is that the level of aviation threads on Jow Forums?
Actual retards regurgitating fake news and bawling at each other?
Jesus Christ.
>how is this possible
Where are you from that the people are so retarded that they can only have one kind of thing to do each role? America?
Confirmed for never having stepped foot on a us military compound, including a recruiter's office.
I'm sure between the 50-80 year-old buildings; the 10 year-old computers (ancient by tech standards) that need purpose built environments to run the tools that are still in fucking UNIX; the refits of 40-60 year-old air frames; the refits of 30-60 year-old ships; even new tech being stuck behind so much red-tape that by the time it's implemented it's already decades old; the AR platform that's 60 years-old; etc. etc. etc..... I'm sure, among all the shit that we use that is nothing but refits upon refits of hardware designed or built on average half a century ago, we could find something that's old.
There are a very limited number of cases in which things get updated, to include
1) because PR (the most common)
2) to justify the military industrial complex
3) because someone's career will be helped
4) because theres a need that isnt being met when encountering a new environment (rare)
5) because whats being used just cant do the job anymore (incredibly rare, often cited to hide reasons 1 and 2)
You don't need the most advanced tech available to do the job, unless you're Air Force or the Navy, and even then you're still dealing with decades-old air frames and ships refit with modern tech.
>OLD THING BAD
Bud, you need to work on your reading comprehension. I literally said
>You don't need the most advanced tech available to do the job
Not at a single point did I even remotely imply that what isn't broken should be fixed. I'm not attacking the old tech just because I'm mentioning that we use it, dum dum.
Sounds ass backwards. Everything I hear,see, and discover about India is pretty ass backward.