Why?

Is Windham weaponry Jow Forums approved? I like the look of their 20" government rifle with the solid stock and carry handle.

No personal experience, but supposedly that's where all the good bushmaster engineers went when bushmaster was bought by Cerberus, so take from that what you will. Never heard a bad word of them, for what that's worth.

According to this article the cessation of civilian long gun sales is due to them trying to focus on military contracts, and isn't because they're cucking out due to pressure from gun control groups.

>Legendary small arms manufacturer Colt has officially bowed away from producing long guns for the civilian market.

>The Truth About Gunsreported that the move came to light after one of Colt’s numerous retailers, RSR Group, announced to their customers that the company had made it known that they would cease building and selling rifles to the civilian market in order to pay more attention to regaining lost ground on vital military contracts.

>Though the US military bought (and still uses today) a massive number of Colt-made rifles, the company suffered large setbacks in the federal procurement arena, losing its primary contract with the US military to produce the M16A4 rifle and M4 carbine to competitors including Fabrique Nationale Herstal and Remington, while incurring major losses.

militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearscout/irons/2019/09/13/colt-is-reportedly-out-of-the-civilian-rifle-game-for-now/

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Its fine
NuBushmaster so you cant go wrong
I was considering saving up for the a1 myself
The thick barrel is kind of a turnoff though

>"in order to pay more attention to regaining lost ground on vital military contracts."
>In an time where the dialog surrounding military small arms procurement is dominated by concepts like 6.8 CT, smart rounds/scopes and ultra compact shit like the rattler
>The company that is incapable of innovation is going to focus on military small arms
Daddy noooooo!

Seriously, Colts idea of innovation is a single stack 1911 (Colt ohws) or a Car15 in .221 rem (Colt Mars) or an M4 with an ARMS quadrail (Colt SCAR entry). They couldn't get a contract when that shit was passable and the M4 was considered high tech, they aren't going to make it when extruded receivers and polymer cased is the hot shit.

This might be in consideration of Remington v. Soto, assuming the SCOTUS takes up the case

We already had this thread colt doesnt have the production capacity to handle both commercial and military demand, and they can profit more from the military.

Maybe they know something you guys don't, means if they are serious about contracts they know they will get, they are chainging up their factory to produce for war. :/ hope I'm wrong and that the executives at colt are just morons..

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They have literally nothing to offer that's competitively priced or unique to the market. $1000 for a basic M4 just ain't gonna work dawg.

So my Mexican made Colt Expanse will be a collectors item soon?

My first AR was a WW Gubermint and I love her.

So they might make a NuPython, Maybe.

Because they are too topheavy to compete.

Well, no. I'm pretty sure they're just stopping production of their own civilian line, not their out sourced line.

They just got a split contract with the US army last year. All the US replacement programs that are currently running will take years to conduct and even more years to eventually decide on and adopt, if they don't get cancelled. Hell, the MHS program started in 2011, and sig didn't start shipping the guns until late last year.

Haven't they always been bootlicking fags?
You cant buy a lower from them that isnt “anti conversion”

Probably realized they couldn't compete with Anderson in the questionable QA for a horse rollmark market.

FN is gonna make a killing

They still lust for the mil/leo contracts when they should stay only on civilian sales, especially in their state. At this point, they are beyond sane reasoning.

colt makes garbage anyway, probably why the military doesnt want their shit either.

See Arsenal and Cugir both did this for a little while too in recent years. Stop panicking over nothing.

Job shadowed at WW when it was still bushmaster in middle school yeara for some school shit. Really cool and fun. Nice people making good products. ww is quite literally old bushmaster, most of the people stayed

their guns are shit and they even lost most of their contracts, nobody buys their guns or wants them because they sell cucked AR15s with cucked BCGs, stay away from this overpriced shit, the only ones i can recommend are the old school LE trade in 6920s if you want an aesthetic M4A1 look alike

If you are getting one as a "retro" AR forget it. There are quite a few things wrong with it to be a proper A1. The rear of the lower has the A2 style of reinforcement, the stock is A2, I also believe the dust cover is A2 also. However for $800 its not too bad of a rifle.

atlanticfirearms.com/products/ar15-rifle-vietnam-war-m16-style-windham-weaponry-r20gvta1s7-m4a2

Just expect every bit of news from Colt to be delivered in the worst way possible

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i'd imagine the colt guns are not selling
and they're focusing on winning the army's contract comming up.
but you all know due to the military contract the rifles are being built in separate factories

They aren't going to come out and say that they are bending to pressure or trying to head off a negative political climate for their product line. The timing on this is way too suspect to take their claims at face value.

this. even gun stores don't want to buy used ARs.

what about Brownells retro AR's?

Abhorrent, but it makes noise and is the cheapest option aside from building your own.
If you trust the company then go for it.

>Twitter can now bully large companies into not selling things
FAIR
AND
UNBAISED

>Free market

FAIR
UNBAISED
FREE
SPEECH

I bought a retro Nodak Spud upper and lower. I want to make a 608. But I do like the Green Air Force version of Brownells.

What makes you think Twitter has any sort of moral or legal requirement to support any of those things?

Looming bankruptcy and corporate incompetence. But hey, new COBRA .38 right guys!!! The place is on it's 5th owner in a century and they're still stuck in fucking 1970.

Yes. They just make really basic rifles.

or FUFS, as I like to use the term

Brownells is the harbor freight of the gun supply house world so just understand that going in. Machine marks, strike marks on pins from steel punches, goobered to hell roll pins, etc. The furniture is the same thickness as a dixie cup and feels accordingly. I put together an A1 with surplus furniture, actual A1 parts save the barrel and receiver for $850. If Brownells is your thing then buy one and never look back.

Bud I'm just asking. I appreciate the advice. I never held a Brownells version. I have heard the plastic furniture is thin.

Brownells has really changed the quality of their furniture.

Stupidity. It is Colt.

To my knowledge, FN's American division has already supplanted Colt in building service rifles.

They both got a split $212 million dollar contract to make more M4s until 2020.

>governments and making money in questionable deals is more important than everyday people in the US

i hope this shitty corporations burns

That on top of releasing a shittier and much uglier looking version of their old snake revolver

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to busy selling every rifle they make, and cant make rifles fast enough for the civilian market, contracts and foreign sales are the #1 priority.

FN's rifles are not mil spec, 4140 barrel.

not to mention $1500, which is hilarious because poorfags get mad at colt for their prices yet would suggest a even more expensive, inferior rifle as a substitute.

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>people should not be able to make money

be gone commie.

I got my PSA for under $300. ARs are worth as much to colt as AKs to black market arms dealers. Small potatoes.

you're right, they should reject all military contracts and then just go bankrupt because US citizen sales alone aren't enough to keep any arms company afloat

come post in ARG and tell us how your shit heap is "justasgood"

Come dump your mattress in my alley and find out yourself.

haha you said cum dump

>US citizen sales alone aren't enough to keep any arms company afloat
Not that guy, but with Colts name, pedigree and back catalog, it certainly should be. Serbu and Keltec seem to get by okay and that's just a few old faggots in a shed.

lulz

>a company shows responsibility by not selling military-style assault rifles to the public

I simply do not care. I have my trusty ol' 1911 and M1A, that's all I need. I have no need to bolster my masculinity with military weapons, unlike you punks.

>consistently overpriced 200 bucks
>cuck bcgs
>FN dabbed on thier military contracts hard
>17 gorillion bankruptcies
Honestly the only reason they are still (kinda) afloat is boomers buying 1911s and SAAs (apparently they haven't heard of Auto Ordnance/Cimarron yet). I just wanna grab a nice blued 1911 to put in a casd and then they have my permission to croak.

Likely going to buy a gun within the next year. Brands to avoid?

European detected

>buying a gun
Care to narrow it down a little champ? Are you getting an AR or what?

there aren't enough people buying Colt so we're probably not even going to notice that they stopped for a few months. Colt's offerings don't stand out enough compared to everyone else making ARs while still charging a premiem. PSA and all the other small, cheap producers have eaten Colt's lunch money with their low priced guns and there are plenty of mid-tier manufacturers that make guns just as good while still being cheaper. The only reason to buy a Colt AR over another AR is so you can have the pony rollmark or because you're trying to clone a gun and need the specific parts for it. No one wants Colt because they're clearly above the competition and the best purchase to make.

Because nobody wants to pay $1,100 for the most basic of basic bitch M4geries.

own a calicuck ww ar and its pretty nice no complaints

Built 2 rifles of Windham parts. They're the original bushmaster. Built one with a 20 inch and the other with a 14.5 pinned and weld. Fantastic quality. Pic related is the 14.5 Iraq War forgery. Got thousands of round through it with zero issues. Kind of a side note but they customer service is fucking fantastic. Called them up looking for 10.3 inch barrels for a pistol build. They didn't have any, but the dude literally searched around and found some good deals to hook me up from other manufacturers. I'm not usually a company dickrider but they've basically always got my business.

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Honestly, they're probably not making enough money to justify it. People think it's a political move, and I don't think that's impossible or improbable, but "Quality makes a colt" doesn't move product like it used to, when you have an infinite number of competitors, and at least anecdotally it's been my experience 90% of the time that most gun owners buy the cheapest good thing they can get, like a PSA gun, and not "Quality" for $1,100. I see a lot of open carriers in my area, and more often than not they aren't towing a glock or a 1911 or anything else midtier+ of your choosing, but usually a fucking taurus (I don't think they're good and I will never buy one again, but people go cheap). I'm building an AR with a PSA build kit and an anderson lower FFS, and I'm the kind of guy that does save his shekels to buy better things, but I thought it would be a fun first time project and something I'd worry less about fucking up on than premium shit, and when I decide to buy premium shit, it's not going to be Colt's shit. Other than their 1911 game, which is also dwindling, their only good idea was releasing revolvers again, but they fucked that one up to by not producing the Python but instead the fucking Cobra. They've failed to listen to their consumers, failed to innovate, and have been outclassed in every market now, civi, LEO, and MIL. They said it's to focus on regaining military contracts which is retarded and won't work, but the fact of the matter is that as unlikely as it is to happen, it's probably the only path to regaining profitability that they have, so I can see this being one giant hail Mary play to avoid bankruptcy for the six gorrilianth time. This is what happens when a gun company becomes run by anti-gun retards.

/arg/ is going to explode over this. They get wet over roll marks and other gay shit like that

/arg/ doesn't really care about Colt.

even the cloners have shed the Colt yoke thanks to PSA making M4 lowers and are planning for M16 lowers too. I know of at least one other company that makes M16 lowers. Colt kind of shot themselves in the foot by switching to cage code stamps because they do that in lieu of the C stamps so even stuff like their barrels and uppers have dropped in value. the older C stamp parts are more valued and people are more likely to either buy an older C stamp or just go with any old part instead of the cage code parts.

Colt dug their grave long ago when they decided to say fuck the civi market and only do mil contacts. Got rid of all their revolver dept. Then they lost all mil contracts and started outsourceing all their parts. Noone wants a hodgepodge of ar parts that colt put together, they want colt parts. But that aint gonna happen no mo

working on a new model

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>lost all their mil contracts
Wrong

I like your Glock 47S

It's the US Armed Forces; nobody even can muster a shit to give over them paying $1,500 per M4.
If you're opportunistic, fbo.gov/ is the US Government's bulletin board for open contracts for anything ranging from landscaping to procurement.

I'm impressed, you are wrong on every single count.

False. They use 41V45, not 4140. It is the same steel used for the m249 and m240.
Have you ever stopped and realized it's not the poorfags that hate Colt, but everyone? Richfags hate them because they're a poser brand, with pretensions of quality, despite having substandard QC and poor feature sets.

Poorfags hate them because they offer no improvement over significantly cheaper offerings.

meaning whether you spend more, or you spend less, you can get a better rifle than a Colt.

Pretty much this, pic related.

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>False. They use 41V45, not 4140. It is the same steel used for the m249 and m240.
It isn't, and it's steel worse then 4150, which is the milspec.

it triggers poorfags because poorfags, and the "high end" crowd gets triggered because no matter what, it's still a clone of a Colt, from their commercial, non military companies.

I don't know about Serbu but KelTec. Is one of the biggest manufactures of handguns in the US. Now if only they began licensing their rimfire mags. Just imagine a quad or double stack 357/44/45-70 magazine in an autoloader. Or hell a quad stack 17hmr.

>it isn't
Yes, it is. Also lol at Colt not even using CHF barrels. Pathetic.
>copy
Colt is an inferior copy of Armalite, quit being poor and buy a KAC

It's not true

Mind elaborating on why they are abhorrent? I’m out of the loop so I’m asking a serious question, not talking shit

They're not, that guy is full of it.