You should really learn to shoot open sights well before you get an optic. It will make you a better shooter

Are you sure you are using your dominant eye? I wasn't for a while because turns out im left eyed

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this image showing aperture sights, which are a different type of iron sights that do not qualify as open sights?

if you wear glasses, its your glasses.

I have no astigmatism whatsoever confirmed by 2 optometrists and I still see a smear.

>learn to shoot the aiming method you will use a 100th of the time first

99.9999% of the time you will
Have an optic. You Should get good with your PRIMARY sighting system first

Do you have kerataconus?

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>but not for groups
You're not even supposed to use a red dot passed 100 yards. Pic related is 2 MOA Chineseium (SIG Sauer) at 200 yards

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Nope, you are absolutely correct. I should have typed "iron sights" instead of "open", to make the pic consistent.

Good catch user.

Really? Huh. Video games lied to me

A2 style iron sights on an AR are awesome. The peep sight is just as fast to use as a red dot. Seriously. You don't have to get perfect sight alignment with the peep sight to shoot man sized targets out to pretty good distances. With the aperture sight you can get some pretty good shots at 300 meters with good eyes and a stable shooting position.

>You're not even supposed to use a red dot passed 100 yards.
You easily can pass 100. Miculek uses them at 1000yards.

For me it depends on the dot... Buddy had an Eotech that was absolute garbage for me. He also has a cheapo chinese generic knockoff that is perfect.

I read something that the peep suppresses parallax error, meaning it fights back against misalignment by the very nature of its design. So long as you can see the front sight through the peep, you are nearly perfectly aligned with the front sight. Its pretty neat

Zoomer logic.

Allow me to unfuck how wrong you are:
You'll be faster and more accurate with your optic if you learn the basics of sight picture and how that's aided by consistent cheekweld (or grip, in the case of a handgun) and body position.

Put another way, take two shooters, one who got good with irons and moved up to an optic, and one who only ever shot an optic, and the shooter who's good with irons will be the better, faster shooter.

Also, if your zoomertoy optic that you've made yourself dependent on ever breaks... you're fucked. Things break in a fight. Think about it.

Sorry, the ghost ring sight is as fast as a red dot. Total brain fart on my part.

Cross dominant fellas stand the fuck up

Should I just try to learn left handed or is it better to have a weaker eye utilizing the more dexterous arm?

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Yeah, I read the same kind of thing. it's like your mind naturally and perfectly centers the front post in the circle of the apeture.

Eyeballs are crazy!

Right but the ghost ring isn't the same. There is parallax there and none perfect alignment possible even if you see the sight

He shooting the broad side of a barn or something?

i dont

There was a lot of thought and really amazing engineering that was put into a2 style sights. They really are outstanding. Like what you pointed out, you don't have to stop and spend time getting the front post to be 100% perfectly within the center of the rear aperture to get an accurate shot off. Another cool thing is that focusing your eye on the front sight while using the small aperture of the smaller peep sight tricks your eye into focusing really well on the target.

Here is a nice web page concerning the A2 sights. Its focus is on how to sight them in, but near the top of the page they give a good explanation of why the sights are amazing. savannaharsenal.com/2017/04/08/how-to-zero-ar-15-a2-type-sights/#Disclaimer

Shit I had no idea about the Z setting.

>You Should get good with your PRIMARY sighting system first
No. You should learn the fundamentals first. Before you put someone into an F1 car with a fancy ass electrohydraulic manual with flappy paddles, you first put them into a regular boring car with a stickshift so they understand how both clutch and gear selection influence the balance of the car. Same goes for shooting: you let shooters understand how irons work, how trigger control ought to be done, consistent shouldering, breath control, etc. etc. and once they understand that, you move on to easy sights (magnified or not), to wierd body positions, to controlled rapid fire and shooting when out of breath.

>it's like your mind naturally and perfectly centers the front post in the circle of the apeture.
This is how the human mind and eye works. We are very, very good at centering round things inside each other, which is why Olympic target style guns use diopter and globe sights (pic related) for extreme accuracy. They're not for combat though, they remove all situational awareness and the front (globe) sight is way too busy for moving targets.
If you want to make a point for using irons for training, you're right, despite the tripfagging.

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To quantify this:
>If a new shooter can consistently shoot a 2 inch group at 100 yards off a rest using a good rifle with irons, they can probably move on to optics, their fundamentals can be considered solid.

This is probably the most intelligent post on Jow Forums in fuck knows how long.

I'll go along with that.

>tfw no one makes bolt actions with aperture sights anymore

maybe, lights at night look like the top right, but i have no trouble reading text

I have the starburst, feels bad. But as iron sights fuck with my eyes due to my combination of astigmatism and minor cross eye, even a smear red dot is more accurate for me, or even usable in many cases, than 99% of irons. The M16 style irons are the only irons I've ever been very comfortable using, sadly.

holy shit this is a major personal complaint. you're basically stuck with "scout rifles" and idr which 2 actually have aperture sights.

it's fucking bullshit that every rifle is built with the expectation of a high power scope

What the fuck even is this image? Put the sight on the target, novel fucking concept. Why does the shape of the sight keep changing related to the target? Does it want you to raise the front post when shooting at 300yards? That’s what it seems to show and that’s the opposite of what you should do

He's a zoomer, but I'll take gearqueer zoomers over tripfag attention whore niggers every day.

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Aiming for me is difficult with an odd stigmatism.

To put things in perspective, if I do not put on my glasses just after waking up before the groggy vision goes away, I cannot put my glasses on at all the whole day. To do so causes strenuous pain in both of my eyes as they try to adjust quickly.

My glasses however make square objects lean left, becoming a subtle rhombus. This means I have to correct greatly with my rifle, as the front sight does not line up with the rear; I need to focus with an is/is not logic.

But your image is of an aperture sight

I have glasses, can't see shit as is when i go plinking, at least optics let me sight on the dam plate. I can hit shit out to like 100-200 yds with the irons, but after that I'd be pretty fucking useless in a low budget militia.

>You should really learn to shoot open sights well before you get an optic. It will make you a better shooter.

Bullshit! All the same basic shooting principles that apply to irons also apply to optics. If you can shoot with a scope you can shoot with irons.

Even basic training kiddies hit 200 and 300 yard targets with red dots.

You're just shit at shooting.

>if you can use a scope you can use irons
Spoken like a true idiot

No it won’t, but it’ll ensure you can still shoot when your optic goes down

While I do agree that you definetely should learn to shoot iron sights well, I don't think you should literally not buy a scope before you have mastered them.
A new shooter should still use an optic for everything except training. It's probably not the best idea to put an inexperienced shooter on a deer stand with a gun that is needlessly hard to shoot for him - or put that rifle under his bed.

>another thread pretending it's difficult to use irons
Poorfags are a repetitive bunch

tfw my stiggy is so bad I see every front sight post as curving to the left by almost 20 degrees.

I can only shoot my dots or acogs using a rear iron sight on them too

Funny coming from one of those people who call anyone who doesn't like the same things a poorfag.

What are the find for on a front sight base? Protect the sight pin or for alignment?

I didn't know the front sight should be half way down the rear sights for targets under 200 yards.

Left eye. Right hand. I shoot pistols right handed and just cok my head down and to the right to get a clear sight picture. For rifles I just use my right eye and squint my left enough to focus (just enough, no full closed). My left eye is better, but I just dont have the muscle memory for left handed shooting. It feels awkward and my trigger pulls are not as clean.

What? The top of the post should be in the center of the circle at all times.

I have the starburst and I just deal with it. Have a red dot on my primary rifle as well as my carry gun. It doesn't affect me enough that I worry about it. That being said EOTech's tend to work better for people with astigmatisms. If I could afford a 700 dollar optic I would use an EXPS-3. Maybe in the future.

Battle sight zeros are gay. Zero with the sight bottomed at out 100yds. With an A2 300/600 sight you now have come ups for 25-600yds. You don't have to aim low

Why not just an illuminated prism? Contrary to some fags opinions, keeping both eyes open with 3-4x magnification isn't hard.

I actually like irons, but they're pretty fucking simple to use for anyone who didn't have a mother that drank while pregnant.

Uh-oh

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They used to be intuitive but not anymore. Too many idiots thinking irons in videogames are how your supposed to see irons in reality. Then trying to shoot like that.

Stupid question that I've been shooting waaayyyy too long to not actually know by now- when I focus on the FSP, should the target be actually going so blurry that I can't even see anything? Or is there some kind of bullshit happening that means I actually have eye cancer.
I pretty much have to focus on the FSP and then just kind of hope that I'm on the target because I can't see a fuckdamn thing other than the sight post.

LMAOing at your groupings faggot. Learn to shoot

>when I focus on the FSP, should the target be actually going so blurry that I can't even see anything?
Yes. Your eyes can only focus on 1 thing at a time. This is normal. You should have a decent idea where the target is but it wont be clear. If its super bad you might not be using your dominant eye.

Except it's TRUE you retard.

I generally agree with you. I do have one friend who just can't shoot red dots. He's trying to line it up and just can't into one point of aim. For him it might have been better to start with red dots.

Shut up and eat your tide pods, Zoomie

I have the starburst issue with red dots, don't have it with my LVPO.

I just got my first AR and am somewhat new to shooting. I wanted to get a red dot or Eotech but I think i should wait till I get ok with my irons. Is this thinking wrong?

...I genuinely thought this went without saying

No. Take your iron sighted rifle to an Appleseed. It's cheap and they are everywhere and you git God. Then go home and adapt your skills to more typical unsupported shooting stances.

serious question. New to shooting and was wondering should i put the post under what im shooting like in op's pic or right on top

>comes into thread and asks question when the answer is literally the first post

Boy you dumb as hell

This is so wrong in every level.

Depends on range, zero, and firearm.

6oclock hold. I guess it depends on your shooting style, but me and everyone I know uses it so you can see your target and hit it at the same time. But I can see why you'd want to cover your target.

thats kinda confusing. thanks

ok thanks. This explains why im shooting high. Should make learning to zero easier as well

Again, it's personal preference when it comes to zeroing. 6oclock hold is easier for me to zero imo cuz you have the tip of the front sight to use as a reference as opposed to somewhere in the front blade. But if you're better that way then do that.
I've heard of using v/u notch rears, lining the tip of the front to the top of the U/v then using the bottom of the u/v as what to aim at, but I think that's dumb.
Whatever makes you shoot best is best for you tho, so zero the rifle that way. I just find 6oclock zero is best for me

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