Semi Auto Shotguns

if you use real ammo any semi will be fine
heres the thing they wont feed everything theres too much variation in shotgun shell for that.
when you find one brand that works and only buy that then your set. the gun will work reliably.
with a pump you can force these out of spec rounds into battery and shoot them. with a semi that round will jam.
its not like theres only 1 brand of good ammo you can find plenty of options that will work in a semi. you just cant expect everything to work.

>There is no benefit to the manually operated shotgun.
Cost
Ubiquity
Simplicity
Ease of cleaning/maintenance
Aftermarket support
Ability to cycle light or odd loads (like Minishells)

I'm not saying that you shouldn't buy an autoloader, but to say there aren't *any* advantages to pumps just isn't true.

>Cost
Sure
>Ubiquity
Anything can become ubiquitous
>Simplicity
Semi auto is simple just pull the trigger
>Ease of cleaning/maintenance
Maintenance is still simple
>Aftermarket support
It's a shotgun
Ability to cycle light or odd loads (like Minishells)
Fair, although I do not personally care about this

I sold all of my pump shotguns. Don't even remotely regret it.

>Any good suggestions for an affordable all-around semi auto that would be good for home defense and hunting? Affordable being the key
If reliable is the most important with a side of affordable then the 1301 is kinda the current favorite at around $1000. If affordable is the key and reliable is a little less important then the mossberg 930 series is the obvious choice. Not to imply that the 930s are bad guns or anything, but they just tend to be more prone to low power or adverse conditions induced malfunctions from my mild degree of research on the topic. Giving the gun a moderate amount of break in and possibly changing out a couple of parts tends to fix that(930s can have weird severe humidity induced issues). OTOH many people would also argue that the 1301 really needs an aftermarket bolt release to be GTG for defensive use, as the stock one can super jam the gun if used improperly. With a few hundred rounds of break, and maybe a little trouble shooting depending on the gun and locale, in the 930 should be GTG. Its a shame that Remington doesn't offer a plane jane defensive version of their versa max, as those have a great reputation for reliability, and could probably retail for 750-800 making for a nice in between choice.

>>Simplicity
>Semi auto is simple just pull the trigger
I didn't mean ease of shooting it. I meant mechanical simplicity.
>>Aftermarket support
>It's a shotgun
Nothing - absolutely nothing - has the kind of aftermarket support that the 870 and 500 do. They're the only shotguns whose aftermarket options are up there with the AR and the 10/22. Even the most popular autoloaders don't have a fraction of the aftermarket those two guns do.

What kind of aftermarket doodads would you even want to put on a $300 pump shotgun? I'm gonna put a light, extended tube, and MRO on my Beretta at some point. The parts for this all exist. What else could you want?

My $180 Maverick 88, with probably $500 worth of aftermarket on it.

But now it's the way I like it.

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They are to a point. But the beauty of the shotgun is how versatile it is. Semi-autos are great, but they tend to not be able to cycle lower power ammunition. A manual action shotgun can cycle any type of ammo you put into it. Including specialty ammunition.

Ideally, I'd like to see dual mode shotguns to become a thing. Like the SPAS-12/15 and Benelli M3 do.

Good looking shotgun. I'm considering that stock. How do you like it?

Comfiest stock I've ever had on any gun. Liked it so much I went out and got the Magpul stock for my Ruger American, too.

In the imaginary perfect world, the semi auto shotgun would have like 97% reliability where the pump would be 100%

In the real world, people fuck up cycling the bolt even under calm range circumstances, let alone under stress. Semi autos remove that once extra chance of fucking up your shot, at cost of maybe one extra malfunction in 5000 rounds

It had a better function at a rate of 99.999% or better. 3% of 5000 rounds is 150 malfunctions. That's a ton. A gun that fails 3% of the time belongs in the garbage.

Semis will generally not be as reliable as a pump shotgun. This is because unlike semi rifles, shotgun shells vary MUCH more in pressure due to the sheer variety of factory loads. Low brass birdshot will produce much less gas and energy to cycle an action compared to a 3 inch slug, and trying to make a shotgun cycle both inevitably causes tradeoffs in reliability, recoil, and wear.

Another issue with semis, even if you are arguing that they are as reliable as pumps, is the severity of malfunctions. A pump having a malfunction is just one more pump away from a cleared shotgun. A semi having a malfunction is very often going to shut you down. Shells get jammed or stuck somewhere and then it takes a lot more effort to clear than a pump action.

ok but a mechanism is still more reliable than a human

with your logic we should all be using muskets, horses, and friction fire

also let me guess you're into martial arts

OP here

holy mixed answers batman, so can anyone provide any solid research to back up what they're saying? Both sides seem to make sense but this input could all just be lore, and not hard evidence. Are there any solid experiments that have been done out there to compare the reliability of the two types of shotguns?

Complex question
basically this
Okay, so I used a turkey gun which is designed to shoot 3 1/2inch magnum rounds for sporting clays because it was A)cheap and B) had a long barrel. Unless I shoot hot 2 3/4 inch rounds, it does not feed properly (stovepipe). This has made me fucking beast mode at clearing malfunctions, which happens maybe 1/200 shots (I can clear and hit the second target most of the time which allows about 2 seconds to clear, reload, acquire target and fire).

So acknowledging this, let's look at the two types of shotgun, Gas operated and Recoil operated.
Gas operated:
>lower recoil
>more prone to not cycle due to loads being too weak
>slower cycle
Recoil operated:
>more recoil
>faster cycle
>more reliable

Now remember, if you are shooting magnum loads, you will not have reliability issues. If you are shooting light loads, and your gun is designed for something else, you are more likely to have problems (I really can not emphasize design enough, you need to know what you want to shoot before you buy, and DO NOT get an overbored barrel, it reduces pressure and makes you UNABLE TO SHOOT SLUGS).

That all being said, almost no shotgun will reliably cycle the "shorty

I still love 870s but I want a semi at some point.

Some gas shotguns don’t love the cold.