Yeah goy give up your guns, we will take care of ya

yeah goy give up your guns, we will take care of ya

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Were the natives destined to be fucked, or did they have a fighting chance if they did things differently?

The natives weren't the smartest people. They got subverted and got submitted. They don't deserve what befell them though.

Too much infighting to form a cohesive force. Though year one off the boat it was already over for them.

If they weren’t retards and werent all tribe over survival Canada and the United States wouldn’t be as big as they are today

let's say they had united and put their focus into organization and getting properly armed and even some industrialization. Would they have ended up the same they are now, or a different outcome?

80% died from disease so yeah they were fucked from the start.

They would have lost the "noble savage" card that got them some pity and would have been seen as a fighting force and eradicated with more prejudice than when they were just a pest.

shit, on one hand they survived but basically rustled in like cattle. On the other hand, they'd have gone out fighting.

Heres a doozy, the native American Indians worship the same God as the Jews, they take orders from the same boss, and were told to stand down.

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>say howdy to the neighbors
>they all die from the cold you're getting over
Tragic, but destined.

you understand that this billboard is intentionally sarcastic and your additional sarcasm isnt necessary right? might want to get checked out, inability to detect sarcasm or irony is a red flag for autism

They were fucked on a darwinian level

How would they have done this? Completely impossible.

Only vaguely realistic option would have been to migrate in mass to Mexico and set up shop there.

You’re fucking dumb, dude.

they did go out fighting.
the end of the fighting was the government saying "hey lets stop this and make a treaty"
indians say "alright, but promise our freedom to live like we want to and have our own lands forever"
US says "ok"

The downfall of most native tribes was thinking the US government had any honor.

does that pic have a midair brick in it?

The natives were fucked before Columbus even reached the Americas. The tribes that were wandering around North America were the post-apocalyptic remnants of a large civilization similar in scale to the Maya that used to span much of the continent but collapsed during the middle ages.

The Indians were incredibly lucky that it was Whites who conquered them.

Had it been Arabs, they'd have been simply raped and enslaved enmasse. If it were the Mongols, they'd have been raped and then exterminated. Had it been Black Africans (ignoring the fact that they couldn't mount such an expedition), they'd have been raped then eaten. But since it was Whites, they get special legal protections, reservations to preserve their culture, and generous gibs that not even our own people get.

You're welcome, chief.

>Can't have guns
>Can have a tax free casino
I won't lie, that's a hell of a tough call

Destined to be fucked. The Cherokee did everything right; adopted technology, joined the economy, owned property, wore pants, got educated, lawyered up. And we still got fucked.

t. injun

>they'd have been simply raped and enslaved enmasse
That's exactly what the white Spaniards did though. Read about the mission system, mong.

>American Indians worship the same God as the Jews

LDS missionaries, BTFO.

The fact that the Spaniards intermarried with the Indians doesn't mean they raped them enmasse. No doubt rape sometimes occurred, but their religion (Christianity) discouraged it, while Islam actively encourages the rape of the infidel.

>Were the natives destined to be fucked
Of course. You think pagans had a chance against God fearing Europeans?

>god fearing europeans
on est tous des sauvages

>sarcasm cannot be made in parallel

Spanish are moorish mutts

The Mongol and Persian empires were actually pretty fucking cool with their conquered, basically pay our taxes and recognize our rule and you're free to worship whatever.

If they organized and kept their weapons they would have been a serious problem for us.
At the very least they'd have given us a pretty serious war rather than the pioneer driven land grab manifest destiny.

Especially considering other countries probably would have taken an interest in keeping them supplied and fighting us.

Their immune system guaranteed their downfall, doesn't matter what they did. The vast majority of them died from old world diseases, there was some conflict with European settlers but there was also a lot of cooperation with them. In the end, if you can't handle a bout of the common cold or flu, you're not gonna make it once it gets introduced to your continent. Simple as that.

If they all cooperated together at the very beginning stages of european colonizing, maybe.
After they all caught smallpox, no.

Really? More info please, even just a civilization name to point me in the right direction. Thank you!

I never really understood the white guilt about natives because of this. Did horrible shit occur? Of course! The numbers pale when compared to what happened to them from saying "hey"

90% of their population died of smallpox. Imagine if a fully equipped Chinese army had landed in Bordeaux during the black death, except the black death is even more lethal and it doesn't effect Chinks.

They also had completely different languages.
Native americans. Aren't all the same people, ethinicity, race.
They subjugated one another in blood wars that wiped out while settlements. They were cruel to their own kind.
And they didn't even have the WHEEL when the white man came to what is now the north american continent.

Let that sink in.
They didn't have the
WHEEL.

so in general they didn't stand a chance against races that were working on such things as just getting into working with rubber trees and making water
tight seals and advanced footwear.

Lets talk about CANNING

Lefties get upset and think whitey should be guilty of spreading smallpox, despite the fact that we had no concept of "immune system" or "virus" at the time. We thought foul air and displeasing God caused smallpox.

Can’t beat disease. Good fighters and some of the tribes were pretty bro. We kinda did them wrong heavily, the fact there is still some is impressive even if most are drunks.
>why could it not have been the jews

SHALL NOT

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Their last most realistic chance was beating the English during the Queen Anne war. France and Spain didn't quite have as many people being shipped over.

Underrated post, should just have killed whites desu senpai
Or left them to starve look at the roanoke shit show of what happens if you just leave them alone. They still can't get over it.
Natives on the south and the islands were the same kind of stupid tho. At least now we can breed their women in their good years before they pupa into 600 lbs lives. The indian nations are fucked now and still get the shaft as i understand it, can you confirm?

They didnt have the wheel meme is retarded, people were pretty well off with trade routes that spaned the temperate areas of the America's, they didn't really need it. It was a diferent life style as they didn't have beasts of burden, life seemed really cash back then. The llamas in the south were not suited to pull but they packed good and thats what they did with them. All the settlements were close to rivers and lakes and so they traveled and traded by boat, didn't really need to carry 90% of their shit to their lords and so on. Seems like living in a society where you take care of your own and primarily of yourself where the downfall is you might be violently murdered on your sleep.
Fact: whites only quality that provides them with an advantage is the cuck mentality. They become drones and swarmed other societies that had it pretty good at the time. Civility or pussyfication however you want to call it.

They did kill the whites, that's why the Indian Removal Act happened in the first place. They spent over 100 years starting shit constantly (somewhat justified) and it got to the point where everybody hated them and they sent a delegation to meet Andrew Jackson personally and ask him if he would consider military intervention against the state of Georgia given how bad the situation was getting.

Obviously, he said no, but he was so persuasive in describing his idea for relocating them that the delegation that met with him became strong proponents of his plan among their own people. Jackson was extremely dedicated to there being one United States of America and not a bunch of weird ass little kingdoms and I suspect things could have turned out differently if the tribes had integrated successfully, but the time for that had long passed. By the time the ball was in his court, either they were going to be moved or they were going to be killed in an actual genocide. A real one, not just a bunch of people dying on the Trail of Tears.

Ironically, the Indian tribes that hate Andrew Jackson the most would not exist at all today if not for him.

Destined to be fucked. And not really because of muh racism, though it played a part.

You have a bunch of micro nations on the tribal level and a huge state with the population, technology and resources to take the land. It's a story as old as time.

Aside from the smallpox, the US constantly broke treaties with the natives every time the land they got forcibly resettled on turned out to have decent resources.
>ok let's stop fighting, you can have this land over here
>oh the land has silver, sorry bro gonna have to kill you
>ok let's stop fighting, you can have this land over here
>oh the land has gold, sorry bro gonna have to kill you
>ok let's stop fighting, you can have this land over here
>oh the land is farmable, sorry bro gonna have to kill you

The US government made hundreds of treaties with various tribes and broke almost every single one.

Google Mississippians. There are even the foundations of massive ruins in Kansas only uncovered within the last couple years. I learned about it in college archaeology. Spaniards went to what is now Kansas looking for gold and described massive cities.

>bunch of tribes with infighting
>selling land for beads
>not very smart
>European diseases killing off tons
Yeah they were fucked and mostly for reasons that had nothing to do with whites

Still less than the genocide that was physically being near them.
And yeah they got fucked over a ton too. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. To this day whenever I see a SJW screeching about being oppressed I just think of the natives and wonder what they make of that horse shit