Will the military let you use/keep captured enemy weapons? I would assume they'd at least train you to do so in a pinch...

Keeping enemy weapons is usually not allowed, though I've heard of US vehicle crews in Iraq and Afghanistan keeping capturing underfolder AKs or Paki MP5s on board as backup weapons.

Attached: polackdonger.jpg (500x375, 122K)

My dad has a Luger my grandpa personally captured in WWII. And I will probably get it when he dies because my brothers are nogunz. But my dad is a boomer so watch him sell it...

Just tell him that if he ever wants to sell it, you'll pay for it.

That's retarded, don't even put the idea in his head.

>the answer is a most definite no, and has been since just after Vietnam.
Gay. What's even the fucking point then?

I know in the 90s it was still easy to bring things back you weren't supposed to as a leaf returning from duty, no idea what its like now though

As far as I know he carried an East German AK.

Because we used booby trapped weapons and ammo as a legit strategy once upon a time and its a mix of well founded paranoia with whatever else, now shut the fuck up neverserved.

Because hajji is as cunning as he is smelly. The United States is not the only country to sabotage arms that deliberately fall into enemy hands. During a protracted firefight, it isn't hard to drop squibbed out AKs on the flybait roasting in the sun. Especially when coalition forces are dug in.

>As for bringbacks for individual soldiers, the answer is a most definite no, and has been since just after Vietnam.
Fucking GAY!

Attached: 1566590791947.jpg (1024x613, 71K)

I'm sorry for not having a source for you, but if you look it up you'll see a rather recent tale of a US marine that brought back an enemy AKM piecemeal by mailing bits to family back in the States

Yeah because the military works just like cowadoody, faggot

I think I've actually heard of that one.
Nonetheless, soldiers ought to be able to bring back cool shit they find on the battlefield. My personal opinion.

this, its a god damn family heirloom

Boomers care nothing for family

>put in an order for more ammo that the US military does not manufacture or stock

what are logistics?

Given that it was being used by terrorists I doubt it was an orignal tokarev model but rather one of the converted german 9mm models.

Attached: boomers think they can buy traditions.png (1855x365, 128K)

german converted ones have the magwell fucked with to accept mp40 mags

7.62x25 is a popular caliber in the mid east.

Rarely. There's one pic of a marine clearing rooms in Iraq with a PPSH though, so it does happen.

They always keep a few for when they kill civilians - drop one next to the body and claim it's an enemy combatant.

Captured enemy weapons are collected after combat and brought back to main base, where they are sorted through by the weapons maintenance unit. Functional samples are then distributed to local supportive groups.

There are multiple reasons why own personnel are not allowed to keep, use or bring back playthings. Law back home is one. The danger of being mistaken for an enemy is another. Ammo logistics is a third. Space in vehicles for an extra gun is a fourth. Public relations is a fifth. CNN: "The enemy weapons are better than our own!!!! Bring back our boise!!!"

nope. if you get caught smuggling trophy guns back nowadays, you absolutely will go to prison, for more than 10 years.

as for being allowed to use them in the field during ops, it depends on the situation.

regardless, doing so is not a good idea.
why? spiked ammunition. the US military & govt has distributed spiked ammo throughout the middle east. from mortar shells to bullets and more.

one such example is the video of those contractors in the M.E shooting an AK they got off some dead hajji. it blew up in the guys face.

people have lost fingers and limbs, from spiked ammo. you have no clue if the gun you pick up will have a spiked round in it or not.
it's best to leave them alone, unless you can empty the rounds and put in your own 7.62 rounds which you know are 'clean' and safe.

tldr; don't pick up enemy guns because you might lose fingers or your whole hand, and don't try and bring them home because you will most likely get caught - and if so you WILL go to prison for at least a decade.

this isn't the 40s or 50s anymore.
the military takes that shit seriously now.
in my personal opinion troops should be able to bring back trophies of war. it has been a thing all throughout history.

keep in mind that journo faggots constantly call rifles like ARs, "machine guns"

just keep it in the truck as a drop weapon in case you need it

>once upon a time

it still happens today. very much so.
and we're not the only country doing it. it is known that the syrian government and military has also distributed spiked ammunition among its enemies (the "rebels"/ISIS)

it likely happens in africa, asia and south america as well as eastern europe too

these are called drop weapons
not officially endorsed, obviously.
but definitely quietly, unspokenly, subtly encouraged.

war is fucked. shit happens. you never know when you might need them.
keep one just in case.

obviously I do not condone killing civilians for fuck sake, but I am also not naive regarding the nature of war.
shit happens. accidents happen.
war. is. fucked.

Having an argument with my father over some dumb shit an hour ago and reading this really hurt. I didn't come here for this

Attached: 1568391571879.png (408x327, 91K)

That's so fucking gay.
Imagine someone actually trying to kill you with a pistol and you can't keep their weapon as compensation.

I wanna rape whoever came up with the idea of making it forbidden by default.

Each deploying unit carts around multiple shopping containers full of miscellaneous shit they'll need, down to the company level. They go out, they come back when you come home. They are inspected each way, to stop shit from going in to country you don't want there, and to stop shit from coming home. If you know a guy who knows a guy it's more than possible to access these shipping containers after they've been inspected, or to hide something in them in a way which won't be detected. But you need to know a guy who knows a guy -- your average grunt who's in a position to acquire a weapon in country will be categorically unable to bring it home on his own. He will be searched and searched and searched. But it is possible with a little help from your friends.

>in my personal opinion troops should be able to bring back trophies of war. it has been a thing all throughout history.

we don't fight wars anymore, they're """"conflicts"""" driven by the interest of bankers

That's just categorically untrue at every level you're trying to say it on EXCEPT the one you didn't mean. Iraq and Afghanistan are both officially categorized as wars. A truly brainless Jow Forumspost.

Oh yeah! That totally makes sense. Just like that one RuneScape quest where you are on Karamja and you need to get some rum home, so you fill up a crate with bananas and then say you want it shipped, then you have the guy inspect it and then you slip the rum in! Makes sense to me

>"""""""""officially"""""""""" categorized

Attached: 1565050468107.png (330x189, 19K)

Christ you retard. I'm trying to say that your company quartermaster knows exactly how it all works and how to get around it.

So you put meme quotes around the word "conflicts" as if the wars aren't actually categorized as wars rather than conflicts. When confronted with the fact that you're a retard, you call into question the actually correct categorization of the wars which you are actually in agreement with anyway. But joke's on me, you aren't actually retarded, you're just pretending.

Ouch, my heartstrings.

Ah okay. I see what you're saying now. It's a lot more like doing the Shield of Arrav with a friend who's already done it but made an alt to help you through it. He knows all about how it works and he can grease the skids and remove the guesswork. Thank you for clarifying!

Italian Expeditionary Army in Russia (ww2) started using captured PPSH and Cossack cavalry swords because they were fitter for the climate
Had some in the family as souvenirs but my grandfather only kept a sword and handed down all the rest after his father’s death

>backup weapons
Enemy weapons are kept so when they accidentally waste a family of goat hearders they can put the weapons on scene and say they were armed and engaged them. Saves alot of paperwork

Heck of a shotgun

i spend time with my family and when my Dad bought into Ham radios I started studying with him so i could spend time with him. get into a hobby with your parents, it's not that complicated.

>reeeeEeeeeEEE POL POL POL

I'm a big fan of your work.

Dude, I was in a unit in Afghanistan ('08) and the TC always brought along an AK47 and a few mags on our GACs. At the time I thought it was weird but didn't think anything of it and didn't bother to ask anybody, either...let alone where did it come from. None of my fucking business. If anything I figured maybe it was a 'jam-proof' backup in case shit got real crazy. Either way, it was never 'used' but reading your post now makes total fucking sense...

Attached: 1526296707964.jpg (650x961, 124K)

It's funny seeing posts like this, because it always reminds me of what a boomer my mom is and how much I live that part of her and how lucky I am to have her. She bought into a lot of dumb boomer shit (having fine China, buying beanie babies, the list goes on) but she always made the best of things and actually created a lot of family traditions where there weren't any. We'd always use the fine China and crystal glasses for holiday meals at our house. I still don't care about fine china one way or another, but my mother was the kind of woman who really gave a shit and tried to make things matter. My father was and is a total loser faggot.
My mom had a hard life growing up and I think that has a lot to do with the value with which she lived her life and tried to impart to me and my siblings. She's a good mom, although certainly she's replete with flaws, and it makes me sad that some anons didn't have at least one good parent.

That user is right.
The US hasn't officially declared war since Korea I think. It's a way to get around requiring congressional approval to go to war. Look it up.

Attached: 1566611457279.jpg (675x960, 101K)

Remarkable shit. Shine on you crazy diamond

Attached: 776a8f858dc326d2a0d298f286f3412fc4adeaad.jpg (543x640, 54K)

There is no such thing as a formal "declaration of war." Congress just authorizes the President to use the military.

The Declaration of War against Japan is, legally speaking, the same thing as the Authorization for Use of Military Force we see in modern times.

>the military takes shit seriously now
>trannies and faggots
>overweight soldiers
>women in combat roles
The military only takes public relations in the eyes of liberals seriously now, so of course soldiers can't bring back guns or anything else. Surprised they even get to go out with them.

>2024
>getting ready to deploy in world war three
>four of us loaded in to military Fiat 500 pop
>commanding officer gets us pumped up
>"do you need a safe space private?"
>xhe shouts it forefully
>"no, xir!"
>xhe softens up and reminds me that one will be offered once we get there, in case I change my mind
>I grasp my military issues combat whistle
>we pull over so that a private can dilate without the interruption of the occasional rut in the road
>we hear an explosion up ahead
>maybe an IED, or possibly a rocket, or a gun shot...
>we aren't sure what it was because mandatory loud noise sheltering during training
>immediately surrender in place

Banned like everything else coll in todays mil. One of my old Squad Leaders smuggled back some handguns from Iraq by hiding it under their units MRAP armor panels. Pretty cewl I guess. Every unit coming in and outta AStan has to clear NATO/coalition customs but if i had founs anything cool you bet your ass i would tried to find a way to smuggle it out in our connexes.

The salted ammo isnt explosive, not for the small arms. Theyre instead designed to destroy or disable the weapon, and theyte targeted at crew served and force multiplier small arms.

The ordnance, however, is a different story.

>t.glownigger

This man knows

>t touched ‘special projects’ inna box

Still HOPPING MAD I didn’t get to bring back rattlecanned VZ58s we picked up off dead tali

Hily shit I would have loved a VZ58 or a legit non-fake brit leftover like a lee enfield or a martini henry that made ots way over from India.

your nose is 12 feet long and your not fooling anyone, noseberg

Attached: Le+american+bear+and+le+happy+merchant_9406be_3850730.jpg (645x512, 48K)

Would rather have had an enfield, but yeah.

All it would take to fix this is for The Donald to sit the Attorney General, Head of Homeland Security, and SecDef in a room and say "I want soldiers to be allowed to bring back captured firearms, make this happen" and there you go.

Heard a lot of stuff got smuggled back in truck/Humvee fuel tanks after the first Gulf War.

Interestingly, found a guy at a small local show who had two Tariq magazines, said he was a contractor in The Sandbox and just took them home. Kept one, flipped the other for what I paid for both because that person needed a legit Tariq mag to go with theirs.

Attached: tariq.jpg (600x400, 72K)

You joke about it now but...

Never stop training your range. Remember, skills may cap at 99, but exp caps at 200,000,000.

Like a well used Enchanted Gem, my friend.
Always.

When did congress make a declaration of war?

This. Salted ammo/sabotaged guns that explode in your face scare the absolute Jim Christ out of me

Generally, no. Though if you've got to pick up a fallen enemy rifle to get it done when your primary is out, then you've got to do it... course don't complain if your team sends some rounds your way under the impression there's still an enemy combatant somewhere nearby.
Mostly all the small arms and personal weapons get either taken back for disposal and intel, or if you can't do that we'd just destroy them. Enemy heavy weapons however, you always snaffle those off- heavy machineguns, mortars and the like are a huge bonus if you've got the ammo for them. Just run them past the armourer to make sure they're good to go, increase your own defences after a bit of training if they're particularly unusual to the troops