How many times does the Patriot system have to fail, miserably, before people start questioning its actual capabilities?
Inb4 actual LockHeeb shills swarm in here claiming some imaginary readiness and intercept rates.
Pic related: PAC-3 batteries and SkyGuard systems that were supposed to be defending the Saudi oil plant.
And the RC hobby drones that were used to defeat a multi-billion dollar defense contract.
They should have bought Russian point defense systems rather than Swiss garbage like the Skyguard.
Keep seething, vatnik. Saudi Arabia has already repaired the damage but Iran is about to get there shit pushed in. Iran messed with the wrong mother fuckers this time. The patriot system is fine, Iran just programmed the missiles to take a sneaky route around radar sites, which are operated by 80 IQ desert people.
Shill here with the known facts:
1. patriots have a 120deg not 360 deg radar (a known flaw)
2. saudi operators are arab and require approval from their chain of command (also probably asleep/drunk/gay) to fire (also known flaws)
3. this one's a maybe, but they're designed to kill ballistics and jets, not cruisemissiles and definitely not drones (although patriots have killed drones in the past). with good attack routing, this gets worse.
>Muh ARABS
>Muh Incompetence
Muttniks literally are the same class of subhumans as Vatniks.
But clearly Erdogan could only have wanted a system with a 360 degree radar and that could target cruise missiles because it was a secret plot to spy on the F35 when they could just bribe Israel and get full access to one
>pac-3
those are for abm
still though, not as embarrassing as getting shock down by turks flying antique airframes
>patriots have a 120deg not 360 deg radar (a known flaw)
Seems like a pretty serious fucking flaw to me. Wouldn't this be easily alleviated with, and bare with me, A SECOND radar unit?
Are Americans retarded for making a fixed radar which points only in a limited arc or are Saudis retarded for not deploying enough?
Isn't Iran a know threat?
Why wouldn't the radar array be facing the more likely threat of Iran rather than people wearing sandals thousands of miles away in Yemen?
NONE of these pathetic excuses make sense.
then why buy russian? they've been shown to be incapable of those things in syria
It's a fucking false flag.
>Saudis retarded for not deploying enough
bingo
Wouldn't it be easier and smarter to just buy a Russian S-300VM battery which comes equipped with 360-degree coverage and far better detection and ballistic capabilities?
>Saudis retarded for [insert anything]
Yes
>Iran a known threat
Yes but the proxy war kind not direct action
>Americans retarded for making a fixed radar which points only in a limited arc
Yes but not really. It made sense for the Cold War when it was designed (only one front; and cheaper - AESA was expensive back then). It's retarded today, but Americans don't care yet because they have the 2 biggest airforces for defense.
>Why wouldn't the radar array be facing the more likely threat of Iran rather than people wearing sandals thousands of miles away in Yemen
Because the Houthis have been launching missiles at them for years and Iran hasn't.
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s300 hasn't been able to deal with f4s with giant RCS in syria though
Buy Stunner and David's Sling, goy!
>Because the Houthis have been launching missiles at them for years and Iran hasn't.
I'm confused. You're accusing Iran like all of the mongs despite saying that Houthis have been launching bus-side ballistic missiles at Saudi Arabia for years?
Really? How many launches did they attempt against the F-4?
Meant "bus-sized"
>Oy vey you dumb goy! Don't you know that you just need MORE SAMs to save you?
>Just buy some more! you don't need an air force now
17 confirmed
Fun fact: one of the software issues with the Patriot Missile System was with a rounding error when calculating the quadratic equation. So remember kids, use a double not a float if you need to round your numbers, could save a life.
I'm not saying Iran did it or didn't do it. I am saying the Houthis have been shooting at the Saudis for years so that's what the Saudis focused on.
Yikes.. Should have imported some Russian-trained mathematicians.
Read "Why Arabs lose wars"
Fucking sandnigs don't train their own people to their own skill level because they see those beneath them as a threat to their own skill. Ask any contractor who's had to train them on NATO hardware sold to them. I gave up on them a long time ago and am staying stateside. My bud still keeps training them on F16's, but it's futile. You either love the paycheck and keep doing it or get burnt out and say it's not even worth earning near a quarter-mil a year
but Iran is an extreme terror threat with missiles that can do ninja moves and magic
Patriots were not being used to defend the site. It was primarily AA guns and older French SAMs.
and remember that (int)(0.9f) is still 0. add 0.5f first to do real rounding
shhhh, just keep it going. if you contain armatard here, he doesn't shit up decent threads
It’s an interesting bug that resulted in tiny, tiny increments of time being chipped away at calculating the distance of the target that increased over time the more it ran. Since these things were pretty much always on, a reboot could have actually prevented the eventual catastrophe that resulted from the bug. Just another reason why to extensively test your software. Just one of those things that flew over everybody’s head until shit went down.
No, they are attacking a country who believes they can throw endless heaps of money without evolution of military culture at a problem and solve it.
The Saudi's, Qatari's, and Egyptian's are useless.
Many of their F15SA are in a worse condition and lower readiness rate than the last of our F15C's left. They have also operated them with less stress per flight hour and only a fraction of the overall airframe time than the USAF.
Saudi's make the average Jow Forumsommando look smart.
>Read "Why Arabs lose wars"
Yeah, but you assholes blame the Russians when a lone Syrian-crewed Pantsir fails after being swarmed by drones and cruise missiles...
Just pointing out the breathtaking hypocrisy of American cunts on Jow Forums.
but iran is Persian? no?
it was Skyguards and Crotales iirc
honestly doesnt expect much
Are you referring to the systems deployed in 1991?
Sat images clearly show a PAC-2/3 battery, along with the SkyGuards and Shahine.
Why did the fucking SkyGuard fail? Those things are supposed to be like a CIWS?
I wish I had that guy's powers. One dude gave American Jow Forumsindergarten PTSD and you're still talking about him 3 years later.
In the same sense that the current occupants of Egypt are Egyptian, sure.
no, russian air defense systems will be useless for the saudis because the sauds dont want to shot down airliners
I believe so, can’t remember the exact date. Let’s check the internet: en.m.wikipedia.org
Yep.
or, you know, don't fucking implement your own rounding and use your standard library's round() function plus stronger types
it's almost like all of LockMart's code across all projects is shit, but that couldn't possibly be true the projects are so important hmmmmmmm
>Pic related: PAC-3 batteries and SkyGuard systems that were supposed to be defending the Saudi oil plant.
There are neither PAC-3 or SkyGuard in your image.
>a sneaky route around radar sites
There are four overlapping systems there, there arent any sneaky routes except underground.
Would buying Russian really help given how badly Russian AD has performed in Syria?
>Implying two things can't be true at the same time
Even in eastern European countries who don't suffer the same issues of culture as the mudslimes, the vatnik equipment underperformed.
What we know is that NATO equipment performs great in NATO countries and those who've adopted NATO doctrine.
NATO equipment in countries that neither adopts NATO doctrine or it's culture fails in effectiveness
Soviet equipment has failed in countries that both adopt it's doctrine and cultures.
Former Soviet Countries that had adopted NATO culture has seen an increase in effectiveness
Former soviet countries that adopt NATO culture and doctrine ALONG with their equipment have seen even more success.
There is no hypocrisy. Vatniks suck at everything.
Israel also used kamikaze drones to fuck up Hezbollah's shit in Syria despite the best AD in the world. Weird.
Should've bought Russian...
>WhY WoUlD IrAn Do THiS iT MuST Be FaLsE fLaG
actually not hard to figure out. Iran's economy is being raped by US sanctions and they're desperate. Just like when North Korea gets desperate they start attacking SK (see those various artillery/sub attacks during the early 2010s) so does Iran strike out at their neighbors when they're crying for help. They hope it'll lead to rounds of negotiations that will give them more aid to keep them afloat, specifically from the EU.
If EU agrees to give more aid to them (macron has promised $25 billion in gibs for Iran but it's still not enough) or if a new Democrat administration lifts sanctions on them Iran will probably stop lashing out like this as much for a time.
Basically, they're poor and want more welfare and don't know how to react besides lashing out. Kim Jong-Il mastered this negotiating tactic.
S-300 has performed shit in Syria. Israel bombs them weekly and it hasn't even been able to fire at them.
This. It's a pretty standard tactic.
So is this thread the attempt by vatniks to do pic related? I don't think anyone on Jow Forums seriously likes saudi's tho so the trolling won't be as sweat as it is whenever assad gets rekt'd.
>What we know is that NATO equipment performs great in NATO countries
That hasn't been proven at all.
>NATO doctrine.
Define NATO doctrine.
>Soviet equipment has failed in countries that both adopt it's doctrine and cultures.
Except the times where it succeeded.
>NATO culture
What the fuck am I even reading. Enough of this bait. I'm out.
has modern Russian AD shot down anything besides civilian airliners by this point? I know jews use it for target practice these days.
Syrian AD is the best in the world?
This place is full of comedians, or retards. Hard to tell the difference.
>it was Iran
Russian radar systems dont even do rounding, they post all digits to exhaustion of memory. It doesnt even cause lag with a Soviet chipset from the 1987.
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU ROUND?!?!?!?!?!
You arent calculating by hand, even excel doesnt round.
Dude you can see four guys standing to the side, and one runs to the truck when it starts beeping MAWS.
Thats the crew.
Can you vary the propaganda slightly the repetition is a bit annoying.
Just asking for some variety.
NORAD didnt round either since Vacuum tube days.
>>citation needed vatnik.
>That hasn't been proven at all.
It pretty clearly has. Desert Storm was a case study for why the Western world's investment in professional troops and high-tech capabilities beats massed-formations that rely on numerical superiority. Russia has slowly attempted to emulate this in the past few years, with, for example, their increased procurement of guided A2G munitions and use of professional soldiers as opposed to conscripts in Syria.
>beats massed-formations that rely on numerical superiority
You realize we outnumbered the enemy in desert storm and in Afghanistan right???
Pretty sure patriot is for aircraft and large guided missiles not small drones flying under radar.
Troops? Not even close. Maybe in air assets west had huge advantage.
not a rebuttal ahmed
>we outnumbered the enemy in desert storm
By a ratio of 3:2, which is a good bet less steep than the traditionally-cited 3:1 ratio you want for a reliably successful attack. On top of that, the sheer disparity in the causality ratio speaks for itself.
We had about 40 years tech advantage and two to three times more troops of course it was a steamroll. That was the lesson we learned in Vietnam.
Compare it with Soviet intervention in Afghanistan they were outnumbered by Mujas 5:1.
>rebbit spacing
you have to go back
More strikes on iranian militias in Syria today
timesofisrael.com
Where was russian AD?