Brass or steel casings

Both are good but brass is easier to put away long term.

priv partisan is serbian but not usually steel. there is of course tons of russian ammo like tula, wolf(technically american but the ammo is just tula), barnaul, and vympel. not to mention surplus which comes from all over europe.

Pretty much all Russian manufacture ammo for the most part is steel, or copper washed steel. Germans used steel ammo extensively in the latter stages of WWI and throughout WWII. Pretty much all of the Warsaw pact ammunition was steel case. Lots of Chinese ammo is steel case as well. There's really no reason not to use steel case, other than the fact that brass is more easily worked and reusable.

familiar with tulammo and wolf, but i guess i wasn't counting ruskies as euros.

In the states we really don't manufacture a lot of steel case, Hornady of all companies offers a few loadings, Winchester offers pistol ammo in steel, and we do have several companies offering ammo in aluminum cases. France uses(perhaps used, now that they are phasing out the FAMAS) steel case 5.56 due to high chamber pressure during extraction.

i forgot about aluminum cases. shot any lately?
i bought one box of blazer years ago and got a bunch of FTE's, so i've steered away. in retrospect though, it could have been that old shitty walther.

Are you poor?

>Train how you fight.
Go ahead, zero your safe queen at the range with some wolf .223 ammo. (They're totally the same!!!)
And then die when the bugaloo happens because your rifle is hitting 12" higher with factory loaded federal and you didn't hit shit...

>Cont...
Retard that shoots 180gr fmj blazer at the range but has 135gr HP browning loaded for CC....

I see it fairly often in shooting ranges in my region (Mittelland).
I use it too because it's the cheapest ammo for plinking.

I avoid brass because it increases wear on firearms, vs the softer steel case.
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>Retard that shoots 180gr fmj blazer at the range but has 135gr HP browning loaded for CC

You planning to snipe niggas with your pistol during deuce bigalow? The difference in POI is completely negligible, especially in an OH SHI- scenario at typical distances.

brass is obviously the best but steel is cheaper. I get to shoot more slavshit ammo for my ausbucks.

sure it might wear components marginally more but if you factor the cost of replacing an extractor against the cost savings of a couple thousand rounds of brass vs steel case it's a no contest.

fpbp
At the range the marginally increased wear on components is easily countered by savings on ammo.
Reloading changes the equation a bit.

Based and geographicallypilled.

Russia's so fucking big there's 3 different regions you could classify them as

This has got to be some kind of next level "im not retarded" bait

I avoid steelcase on old guns, as steelcase is usually bimetal which increases wear on parts

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I have a Russian vepr in 6.5 Grendel

I get better groups with wolf steel over Hornady brass.

Brass is better
I found 2 9mm tula rounds with rust on them
If Can not run steel it is a shit gun

99% of steel case is made in eastern europe.

This is why you look at ballistics and confirm round consistancies.
>rifle
Practice ammo is American Eagle 5.56 55gr
Competition is American Gunner 223 55gr
Home defense is Hornady TAP urban 55gr
Also have 73gr ELD that I have wind age and elevation adjustments marked on my LVPO for.

>pistol
Practice: PMC bronze or Blazer Brass 115gr
Competition: American Gunner 115gr
Home Defense: Critical Defense 115gr.

The pistol ammo is all within 1% fps of each other and is less of a variance then my own accuracy. The rifle ammo has been confirmed at 25, 50, 100 & 200 to have almost no POI shift on average (less than an inch at 200yd) with a noticeable difference in accuracy between american gunner and american eagle (2"@200, 5"@200 respectively)

This was also with a benchrest for to remove human error as much as possible and at 8x zoom.

How does steel casing cause slightly more wear? It was my understanding that they were just dirtier, because the case doesnt expand as much as brass and a lot of hot smoke and whatever gets blown back into the action. Do steel cases just wear out the chamber and firing pin faster or something?

The bimetal projectiles wear rifling down a little faster

steel all the way for fluted chambers

Steel case for everything. Two rounds are better than one. If I have limited funds, I can purchase greater amounts of steel case. Why would I even bother with brass.

Thats because Russian Barnaul is basically match grade, U.S made ammo sucks.

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modern plastic-hybrid >> brass >>>>>>>> steel

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Brass cased ammo causes more wear then steel, the steel cases are annealed and left in that state, they are softer then hardness then brass.
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>to prove it, here's bubba at his bench

let me know when I can buy it by the crate at less than .30cpr like 5.56 or 7.62x39.

If there's a inexpensive steel case version of whatever caliber I'm shooting... I shoot steel case. That includes 9mm, .45, 54r, x39, 5.56, whatever.

I have shot this shit for decades and have never known it to accelerate wear in any discernible way, nor have I had malfunctions attributable to the ammunition in rates any higher than brass cased ammo.

Forget everything you think you know about steel case, here's the real deal:
>It's usually less accurate
>It's dirtier

But for practice, plinking, hogging, or other casual shooting purpose, it's cheap as hell and good enough.

Steel case accelerates wear in the chamber and extractor over time. But that difference is in thousands of rounds in use. You're not going to know unless you mic check your chamber as the free bore and rifling never contact the steel casing.

Even then unless you are using super expensive Gucci barrels the cost savings make up for it more than enough. If you for example own a PSA AR15 or other budget option, buy a replace barrel for like $100 and shoot steel case. You'll make it up within 3000 rounds with current .223/5.56 steel case savings.

Can't speak on other firearms on wether the savings is worth it or not.

So it's more a function of the bullet than the case then?

Brass creates a better seal

Yeah phoneposting but some site did a study over time complete with replacement barrel costs and steel/bimetal stayed cheaper even factoring it in throughout the whole time over multiple barrel replacements.

brass for most things due to being able to reload easier. for 9mm where cost of reloading is not all that different than buying, ill shoot either blazer or fiocchi, typically, as most indoor ranges get butthurt about steelcased where i am. otherwise id probably shoot tula or wolf.