>be Dallas cop Amber Guyger >get off 13 hour shift >come home to dorm style apartment complex >go in apartment and see intruder, shoot and kill >turns out you were on the wrong floor >local black community screaming bloody murder and threatening riots >victim's mom calling Amber Guyger the devil and wants a murder conviction
Trial is going to be live streamed in at least 3 places, 2 local news agencies and CourtTV
Is this the next zimmerman trial? She faces 5-99 years. personally i think she will be found not guilty
Even if she beats the rap, she'll still probably get pounded with a wrongful death lawsuit.
Samuel Perry
she fucked up grossly. regardless of the chimpening from the primate community, she deserves 2nd degree murder at least. sorry lady.
Carson Williams
How did she go into the apartment to see the intruder if she was on the wrong floor? Wouldn't the key not work? Or was the door open and that's what started the whole thing in motion?
Daniel Hernandez
Door was open
Gavin Ortiz
Castle doctrine doesn't apply if it isn't actually your home, there's no provision in any statute I'm aware of for holding a reasonable belief that you're in your home or some stupid shit like that. As far as the law is concerned she was on neutral ground, and since the victim didn't actually attack or threaten her she has no basis for a self-defense claim. Next time you shoot an intruder make sure you know where you live first.
Ryder Thompson
Manslaughter conviction with parole, no jail time. Maybe manslaughter conviction with minimal jail time.
The plaintiffs would have to proceed she intended to enter that dwelling with the intent to kill him for the murder conviction.
Adrian Price
I'm so conflicted. I hate cops, but I really hate nogs, but I r e a l l y hate women.
Caleb Diaz
Give her a medal
Dylan Powell
Meant to say prove not proceed
Zachary Clark
She should be convicted and serve 3/5ths of her sentence.
Joseph Morales
Yassss, squirm you little alt-right Nahzee incel.
Jose Young
Riots when??
Adam Butler
It's possible that her noticing (what she thought was) her door was unlocked is what put her on edge. Especially after a 13 hour shift.
Landon Howard
manslaughter isnt on the table it was manslaughter at first but then she got indicted for murder. I am no legal expert but the ONLY way she can be convicted on manslaughter in this scenario is IF the judge asks the jury to consider the lessor charge? not sure if this is a guarantee that they will consider it or not
Isaac Wood
>murder trial Are they really going for murder instead of manslaughter? >have to prosecute because political pressure >can't convict because political pressure >overcharging it is, then
Murder 2 only requires they show that she made an intentional choice to unlawfully kill. Given she pulled a gun and shot someone, that's not exactly a high bar to clear.
You could say she lacked mens rea on the grounds of being unaware of where she was or what she was doing, but doing that without trying to enter an insanity plea would be hard. Most juries have been tired before and managed to not walk into the house next door and kill anyone.
Ayden Young
If the lawyers are going for murder than they have to get it or else she cant be tried again for it (double jeopardy). Then they'll consider switching to a lesser charge or retrial all over with manslaughter
Mason Sanchez
shooting someone in their own home is bad, user. regardless of how much you hate nigs.
Jaxson Lopez
I read that she made noise complaints against the guy she killed, true if big
Jeremiah Ramirez
Honestly she murdered a guy, period. Still feel bad for her Ive pulled double shifts and not known my name afterward.
Its not about hating them but you have to admit 13% comitting 50% of murder is a reason to get rid of any group much less one which is so visually identifiable.
Angel Diaz
I have sex And I'm not a socialist
Alexander Thompson
Women shouldn’t own guns
Ayden Moore
>be cop >expected to act at a higher standard >Go into someone elses apartment and shoot them because youre too stupid to see that its not your apartment
I get she was tired but still.
Nathan Long
Yeah, but murder is killing a person with intent. And nigs are not people.
Christian Long
Absolutely. The 2nd Amendment only applies to angry, lonely, maladjusted young white men.
Cooper Allen
Honestly her lawyer should advise her to take whatever plea is offered. Reading her own statements makes it feel like she was trying to eliminate any possibility of manslaughter and repeatedly reaffirm mens rea. Take the plea, she does 3 years inside and probation. Fight it out in the court and she will get sentenced to 10 and serve 6.
Jackson Long
>13% comitting 50% of murder is a reason to get rid of any group much less one which is so visually identifiable. 13=50 pisses me off for sure. but authoritarian governments make me way more angry. just have CIA pump crack back into the ghettos again and let black on black run it's course.
Austin Wilson
You forgot to scream jews. People will think you aren't a Jow Forums tough guy.
Jackson Davis
murder can also encompass gross neglect and mistakes. walking into the wrong house and killing the occupant is.... holy shit.
Lucas James
It should be obvious from that post that I think they should charge her with manslaughter and she should be convicted of same. But they won't, because the prosecutor is on the same team with cops, so they have to avoid any chance of a conviction. When possible, they drop charges. When a trial is unavoidable, they overcharge, just like they did with pic related. >how much you hate nigs. I didn't say anything about hating nigs, are you even responding to the right post?
no, white men of good moral standing like the original fathers intended
Joshua Taylor
There’s no way she doesn’t get convicted and doesn’t serve some time. Being a cop has NOTHING to do with the situation. Put yourself in her shoes for a moment. You’re a regular civilian and you enter another persons home thinking it was your own and blow them away IN THEIR OWN FUCKING HOME. What do you think would happen to you? I really hope her being a cop doesn’t save her ass.
also the family wont let the DA take a plea deal,her mom and the whole black community want a murder conviction with life
Bentley Roberts
Immunity dude.
So any way this shakes out it’s one less female cop and one less black drug user.
Landon Kelly
>the family wont let the DA take a plea deal Since when is it up to them?
Blake Cook
When she tried to open the door and noticed it was locked she started kicking and yelling and knocking on the door. The guy who lives there open the door to see what's up and she shot him thinking it was a burglar in her apartment.
Zachary Phillips
shes a cop that should be an aggravating circumstance. cops have training and experience and should be held to a higher standard.
Henry Bell
>I really hope her being a cop doesn’t save her ass. This. She was off duty at the time. That would only solidify the notion that cops are the Betters of us plebs.
Robert Ross
>cop training >higher standard
You clearly don’t know shit about cops or the training they actually get.
Jason Rogers
cop doctrine with a firearm trained on an unarmed person is to at least attempt to communicate and attempt to subdue the person. that's automatic for a cop. she went straight to ventilate.
Nolan Hill
>noticed it was locked She leaves her door unlocked in an apartment block full of niggers? >knocking on the door Why didn't she just use her key and then extrapolate out that it wasn't her apartment when it didn't work? The number had to be right on the door she was knocking on, right?
Jaxson Johnson
To avoid murder on this they could plead insanity, basically claim she was too tired to know what she was doing and thus lacks mens rea (guilty mind, intent to kill someone, ect).
The problem with that her statements make it clear she mistaken about where she was but was not so incapacitated as to be unable to understand what she was doing. This would have been smart if she thought she could get a defense plea. You can't plead defense to manslaughter because most juries are stupid but don't fall for "I accidentally killed him in self defense."
They didn't try for insanity, because it never works. The prosecutor has to call witnesses that tear apart the very goddamn concept of an insanity plea in a case of someone that doesn't have crippling neurological problems.
Blake Barnes
what if they use the fact she is a cop who was just serving high risk warrants for 13 hours, had worked ~15 hours overtime the last 30 days, also under stress because the city of dallas has a police shortage of about 1000 (has like 4000 when fully staffed needs to be 5000). I see the defense bringing this up to try to blame the city.
Adrian Bennett
is it more than none? yes? than its more than an average civilian. i get what you're trying to say but it's stupid.
James Rodriguez
>Since when is it up to them? normally victim's family's wishes are taken into consideration in some way, this isnt exactly a serial killer rapist we are talking about either.
Henry Green
But Jews are based. All the hate towards them is just misplaced jealousy.
Charles Fisher
She should be tried for manslaughter but the prosecutor bowed to black outrage and is going for murder. Idk if there is enough there for Murder 2, the threshold between colossal fuckup and criminal intent to kill is a big leap.
Brayden Wilson
>plead insanity, isnt the burden of proof on this terribly high? which is why it's rarely evoked successfully?
Caleb Jones
>implying that jews are simply successful instead of actively subversive
Lincoln Thompson
Yep, I was tired is no excuse. I walked into the wrong house black out drunk, I was locked up. Not given a free pass to kill rightful occupants.
Kayden Flores
They are considered, but not to the point of holding a pointless trial. If the defense is willing to plea it is totally normal to plea, even when it's a high profile case.
The problem with a plea in this case is that they don't have that much they can offer her. Basically they can give her 3 years off a 6 year prison stay but her own goddamn words mean that they can't honestly plea down to a lesser charge.
>When she tried to open the door and noticed it was locked she started kicking and yelling and knocking on the door. The guy who lives there open the door to see what's up and she shot him thinking it was a burglar in her apartment.
total bullshit desu, the apartment uses electronic keys so it's not like the key didnt fit the hole, and it may not have even been locked or it could have been ajar, only Amber knows.
I am inclined to believe it was unlocked and she opened the door normally after the electronic key was used (which wasnt even needed if it was unlocked)
There are 2 "witnesses" that are black twins that say they heard her yelling "let me in let me in" while banging on the door, that has to be a total lie because listen to this 911 call
you think she went from yelling to be let in (stupid fucking story no one should believe) the victim lets him in, she shot him, then got on the phone with 911? Bet the dude was standing like 15 feet into his apartment too and not in the doorway
Juan Foster
source?
Colton Diaz
>she made an intentional choice to unlawfully kill Isn't this complicated by the fact that she believed she was acting in self-defense? Checked and legal-pilled.
Leo Mitchell
>cop commits manslaughter >tried for murder >found not guilty because manslaughter doesn't meet the elements of crime for murder >govt gets to say oh well, we tried >nigs nog regardless of outcome
Zachary Walker
She should go to jail. Money says she won't though because cops have done much worse and gotten off Scott free
Asher Wilson
Fentynal laced crack when?
Samuel Taylor
I'd be keen to watch some prison porn starring her
Grayson Cox
>she believed she was acting in self-defense? That has to pass the "reasonable person" litmus test. I'll see your legal-pill and raise you a Goodman pill.
>thinks his wife's boyfriend's glock gives him some reason to post here Isn't there a ISawAGunOnce subreddit you would feel more at home at?
Michael White
Seems like a pretty open and shut case to me, negligence is no excuse for murder.
Nicholas Fisher
Definitely not implying that. That is primarily why they are successful.
Gavin Clark
it would appears that I only read the news post but never hear the 911 call. I am wrong.
Ian Collins
I think a reasonable person would shoot an intruder and I think that it’s in the realm of possibility that she was not in the right state of mind because of the 13 hour shift and mistaken the apartment with her apartment. Given she believed she was in her apartment and there was an intruder there she was under the assumption it was self defense.
Adrian Powell
she did nothing wrong 2bh
Christopher Hughes
problem with this is crack is usually smoked and fentanyl needs to be shot up to OD
Jayden Long
There's a few reasons. The first is that juries never go for it. You show up in court and anything the accused does or does not do tells the jury they are faking it or mentally competent to stand trial.
The second is that it's an affirmative defense. You are saying "yes I did it" and the trial then becomes an attack on your affirmative defense. Everything the prosecutor does is tearing it apart. Experts hired by the prosecutor will get to examine the defended and will explain that they aren't damaged in a way that would excuse the crime.
The last is that when people are genuinely incapable of mens rea they get charged with crimes that don't require it and plead out. Manslaughter doesn't require you know what you were doing, just have shown a depraved indifference to human life. The judge takes the guilty plea, suspends the sentence and remands the poor bastard to institutional care.
Me? I'd rather be in fucking prison. You can refuse to take any drugs they give you there.
Luis Watson
Then it isn’t “jealousy”, it’s righteous anger
Justin Garcia
>come home to dorm style apartment complex >go in apartment and see intruder, shoot and kill >turns out you were on the wrong floor she basically walked into someones apartment and murdered him. do police really hire retarded people?
Dylan Jackson
You'd have to make the case that a reasonable person would enter another person's house armed with a deadly weapon and kill them because they forgot where they live.
Grayson Peterson
The average civilian is a tree hugging bisexual who’s never touched a gun. Cops get shit for training and 90% of non-federalagencies barely keep to training standards if they even exist.
Oh yeah, and cops are civilians too.
Connor Ross
That's a doozy. Reasonable if you thought you were in your own apartment, but not very reasonable to mistake someone else's apartment for your own.
Cameron Adams
>Implying it wouldn't be based if whites operated on kike level.
Carter Moore
If I was a juror I would vote not guilty for the keys. Fuck judges Fuck soccer moms Jury nullification bitch.
Jeremiah Gray
Yeah, I'm sure you would make it past selection.
Jace Russell
There seem to be a lot of anons in this thread with a very vague, non-legal definition of "murder"
Austin Wright
I’m good at hiding my true nature :) Unless they use big data to dig up your Jow Forums posts and tie them to me for jury selection I’d be fine.
Bentley King
Illuminate us then you contrarian faggot
Matthew Cooper
No, it wouldn’t. We only have to consider that prospect now because they’re doing it.
James Reed
this
Nathan Bennett
>Israel stole enriched uranium and nuclear triggers from the USA, this information was kept classified for 40 years because muh greatest ally.
>Make money with low effort >Keep it in the tribe >Ruin your enemies with mass misinformation, cultural degeneration and proxy fighting
Sounds based to me.
Carson Sanders
he was black though
Kevin Evans
why the fuck wasnt this bitch in the kitchen for 13hrs
Liam Carter
If some Jow Forumsommando stole nuke parts from the government he'd be the most epically based user of all time.
Luis Wilson
I just imagine sitting in my own home and getting murdered by a cop. Warms my heart a little to know you would all defend them till the end. Never change /k