Now that the gooberment says UFOs are real, its time we talk about the military applications
Ufos are most likely a government plane of some kind, that was either reverse engineered or invented by humans taking off from the nazi researchers in operation paper clip. As former intelligence officials have hinted at over the years.
So two questions
>how do you think they work
>why haven’t they been used in war, can they mount weapons.
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most likely scenario is they're just really advanced airframes that aren't currently stable, reliable or whatever enough to risk mounting weapons to and doing trials in some combat zone somewhere. Probably human built using existing principals, potentially some theoretical principals from operation paperclip.
why the fuck are people suddenly exited to hear that unidentified flying objects are real??
Simple answer: cost
Too much money goes into making just 1 of them, and too much money goes into maintenance even when they did nothing but simple tests with no hard maneuvering or anything.
Sure its amazing, but its not sustainable and cost efficient enough.
They are liars. If the US says ufos are real, you can be quite sure they are not real.
>sees flying object
>can’t identify it
UFOs are obviously real.
>>how do you think they work
Pee pee poo poo
Why arent you?
Wrong. Aliens can’t defecate because they clearly lack anuses. Why else would they be so interested in probing ours?
>OOOooOOooh! Flying things that are unidentified are real!? You mean not everything in the sky, ever, HAS been identified!? This is a shocking admission by our government for sure!”
It's more about the flying thing being real and also not confirming to limitations which we generally assume objects in controlled flight should confirm to. If that doesn't interest you, you're probably just being oppositional.
>unidentified flying objects exist
Stop the presses.
You have no idea what its "performance and limitations" are from a single IR video.
The Internet has bread the most disgusting faggots
You are so brain dead, overstimulated, and have such a high tolerance for amazements due to constantly seeing crazy shit. That when the government finally admits it AFTER YEARS your response is. “Its not that big ah deal”
Id be like if unicorns where real you be the sour puss going “oh big deal a magical horse with a horn.... WOW SO COOL! Not! Im not ever surprised. You’re all stupid for even being impressed.” Or who knows maybe you’re just avoiding the questions because the way the media is perpetrated UFO conspiracy theorists you’re doing everything to distance yourself From it. Because it seems uncool or silly to you contrarian ass
You say that like you know even the first thing about what's in the vids. Shut the fuck up when adults are talking
Wonder if soviets thought the blackbirds were alien ufo's when they left the mig's standing 10-20k feet over their limit, with speeds mig could only hold for like 5 minutes.
user, if they are American made, and were relatively cost effective to make rather than theoretical test beds, dont you think we'd have a wing of them? A dozen, even? Chances are they are absurdly expensive, and if its like the black bird hard to maintain, and if its like the F-117 its expensive AND toxic to make and maintain
I doubt they thought Aliens. Given the likelihood of
>American secret program
Or
>literal space man recon/some documentarian/a guy who is bored
Which do you think is more likely, and which do you think is more deserving of your time? If its true ayys there's fuck all you can do about it anyway, for the ayys we'd be like a zoo attraction or the Sentinelese
This
Of course UFOs are fucking real.
A UFO is nothing but any flying thing you cant clearly identify.
You're the moron who hears UFO and immediately jumps to fucking space aliens here.
Maybe it's some new classified drone concept that uses multi-directional jet propulsion? I found pic related on google that somewhat illustrates what I have in mind.
thats from the terminator movie dude...
I know it's not a real pic you goober, It's just an example. It's the only thing that I can imagine which explains the rapid rotation, acceleration, and deceleration. Unless we are dealing with an entirely new classified method of propulsion.
if we exist, why couldn’t something else?
If the aircraft are human-made and just really advanced, they would have to be drones. From the videos the gov released, these things move retardedly fast and stop on a dime, hover, and make high G sharp turns that would liquify any human inside.
>can't tell if it's ironic trolling or if anons genuinely don't understand that the headline is about the Navy footage, NOT UFOs, being real
UFO's are rocket tests.
>Has to be a real live ayy lmao or an American secret spy program
>Can't be an American ayy lmao operating a secret spy program
While you were all laughing at us being mutts you never thought to consider what it was we were breeding with, your end is nigh earthlings, and it starts with the huwitelings
>DEHHHH UFO BAD, ME NO LIKE. :(
Jesus Christ, how about a proactive strategy where we make contact and build an alliance? Hyper advanced species are not mindless killers who need humans for anything. They would be civilized and see us like we see chimps, obviously superior to us but seeing our sentience, consciousness, social organizations, language, technology, etc.
There is every reason to be optimistic. I believe they're watching us like a zoo and taking scientific samples of Earth's environment.
Holy crap what if they want us to take them to our leader
I'm surprised that no one has commented that these could be MKVs.
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>Scalable
>All movement is rocket powered and so can go super fast
>No human pilot means insane g-forces and acceleration aren't a biological problem, just an engineering one
Seems possible to me that DOD may have been knocking out testing two birds with one stone; testing MKVs and testing the new (at the time) targeting pods on the jets. In the video in which they say "there's a fleet of them" it could have been testing deployment in a defensive network to counter either nuclear ballistic/re-entry vehicles and/or anti-carrier missiles.
Just like dem North Korreens
I unironically mostly believe Bob Lazar, that they were dug up after spending eons underground. Von Neumann probes, only sensible way to explore. Don't think the tic tacs are aliens, us reproducing probes' tech.
If he's right about what the tech is, it's gonna be pretty fuckin cool whenever they get the basics sorted out.
Why would they be underground
>t. Retard
The reason nobody's flipping their shit like some reactionary faggot is because we all already knew for a long time there was some funny shit going on due to an outpouring of footage over decades as far as UFOs are concerned. The government admitting it is more of a "called it" moment instead of a "HOLY SHIT!!1!1 AYY LMAOS ARE REAL?! BROOOOO! BROOOOOOOOOOOO! WE STORMIN AREA 51 FOR SURE NOW!!!"
Just a question, how good are the tracking capabilities of the thing taking this footage?
Because if aliens it doesn't matter, so you can cross them off the topic
if you watched the video you would know it can’t be one of these.
because dude aliens ayylmao
Because they're old, user. It's unlikely that they'd have arrived within the last few hundred/thousand years, before they'd be covered with sediment.
Let me try again, why wouldnt they have been replicating for the last millenia, constantly? Why did they
>land
>take a dirt nap
>wake up
Existing is one thing. Traveling trillions of miles to troll the US Navy is another.
>he doesn't want to follow human tradition and immediately declare war on the first ayy civilization we meet regardless of tech level
What did you evolve from an herbivore or something? Act as the warlike apex predator nature made our species.
>things don't crash
for
This. The real big deal here is that the government has recognized and verified the footage as something unidentified. Could they be lying, and know what it is? Sure.
Could be we woke them up
The existence of unidentified flying objects - those being ANY objects capable of flight whose identity and nature are uncertain - is not news. Look out your window and you're bound to see a "UFO" every day.
You're conflating the notion of UFOs with the existence of aliens, which is a leap too far. I'm certainly not discounting the possibility of extraterrestrial life, but to immediately assume the presence of the former confirms the latter is asinine.
>soviets
>thoughs
it's all psyop
they push aliens and ufos
then fake an invasion for totalitarian control "for the greater good"
>Let's just be vassals guise, there's nothing to gain fighting them and then raping their women
t. Alien Tic-tac
And, after all this time, they finally just wake up? Self repair takes 90,000 years?
The UN taking absolute control of the entire planet's resources couldnt fend off an alien attack any more than ancient rome, egypt, china, and persia combined could fend off the US military. Even as a fake attack there's nothing they could do to stop an asteroid drop or RKV from ending us, or a bioattack that makes the Black Plague look like a particularly rough flu season.
Theres no real material reason to invade Earth other than "we dont like other peoples". Any resource on Earth is way more abundant elsewhere other than biological products that they could easily just trade for. Not even tech, they could just point at a plot of jungle and buy it with an asteroid of near pure iron or other valuable metals and just flood us with their garbage.
Those can only operate in fucking space you retard
I think what meant was that "They" fake an alien invasion in order to push more totalitarian control mechanisms into the populace. See Project Bluebeam.
I think it's all just high tech military shit. If ayyyyys were here we'd know it.
Holy shit, this is close to what I had in mind.
Assuming that whoever developed these things has access to extremely advanced and undisclosed technology, I don't think it's far-fetched to speculate that they are experimenting with applying the same concept for terrestrial use. The obvious problem would be the inefficiency of such a system in gravity but perhaps it utilizes buoyancy like some sort of balloon with small boosters positioned around it?
It's the Navy.
These are Navy craft.
This letter an patent talks about hybrid undersea-aerospace applications, which closely match the behavior of these tictacs (hovering near water, appearing to also go underwater.)
These patents are REAL and are actually being fucking DEFENDED by the Sec of the Navy office here. You can pull all of these from the US patent website as shown in the article.
We will be a interstellar race in your lifetime.
If you read the letter chain in the US patent office, you can see the Patent office constesting that thse patents are actually workable, a rebuttal by the patent maker, and then a sudden approval by the Patent office. All of this funded and supported by the Navy.
>>how do you think they work
they manipulate gravity.
>can they mount weapons
probably, but nobody should have this kind of poewr.... war is fucking stupid.
Why would you make it fast when you have until the end of time to do otherwise? Most planets aren't covered in water and dirt and a fuckhuge atmosphere/radiation belt. Earth is kind of difficult to land on.
Basically, there are some basic assumptions about physics that are not correct. FTL is possible. Einstein was right to consider the "aether" theory. The "aether" is really the quantum vacuum, which serves as the medium for photon propagation. The QV can be "structured" or "direct metric engineered" as to change the permittivity and permissivity of the QV in a manner that actually does alter the apparent value of "c". The DoD uses this same basic trick in metamaterials, like the reverse Doppler coating Boeing developed for use on our shiny new toys. Apparently these craft are electrically driven, probably deriving power from some sort of nuclear isomeric battery system. The actual "warp drive" is a rapidly rotation Bose-Einstein condensate. When you soon a BEC really fast, you can create evoked negative energy states. These negative energy states can be utilized for thrust in positively curved space. BEC and Fermionic condensates are important because certain materials have amazing properties when they get cold as fuck and form a matter wave. They can be superfluid and superconductive at the same time. Our first drive system probably utilized Helium-4, as it has a superstate transition where it is superfluid and superconductive simultaneously. Edgar Fouche was sort of right, it's just not a mercury plasma. This probably one of the primary reasons we still dick around with Tokamak research, not for fusion, but to perfect toroidal magnetic confinement schemes for these types of applications.
The BECs and Fermionic condensates also have other run tricks. Like being the best fucking laser pulse compressor ever. All those stopped light and slow light experiments aren't for studying matter as a wave or making better clocks, it has lots of other nefarious applications. Did you know that these gases are alkali metals like Rubidium and Caesium? Did you also know that these metals can be used to "store" the energy states of photons entering it as plasmonic waves? You can use them to create a "spaser". You can even amplify your plasmonic waves in the gaseous medium to very high energy levels. Maybe even amplify them above the Schwinger limit, the energy threshold for virtual particle production. Get above the Schwinger limit, and you can make yourself shitloads of virtual positrons directly from the QV. Wouldn't they just annihilate, you ask? No, actually they would not. It's not easy to get a positron and electron to interact and annihilate. Maybe just take your positron and electron and make some bound state positronium. Bet you could use some of those fancy electromagnetic induced transparency tricks to unleash your fancy new antimatter particle beam. Harness the Hall effect to keep your positronium from interacting with the outside environment and to collimate the beam. When the magnetic field of the beam shuts off, your bound state positronium can interact and annihilate, creating a couple short-lived 511 KeV gamma rays. But wait, there's more! Those gamma bursts can trigger a positron cascade, creating even more antimatter. Think anime beam weapons.
Long story short, take your BEC and pulse compression and combine them with your phase conjugation and surface plasmon and the US has it. The US has used it in the field. The same thing alters the QV for FTL can also be used to make a shitload of antimatter directly from basically empty space. Plasmonic waves were the beginning, but now lasers can fire pulses in the petawatt range without the plasmonic wave tricks. You can scale the effect like a nuclear weapon. There is no fallout or lingering radiation, as the only byproduct is some hard short-lived gamma rays. Before anyone calls bullshit, there is actual science for all of this. This is what happens when you get a bunch of smart fuckers together and give them trillions of dollars over decades.
Too much energy input is needed for antiprotons. Positrons are easier to create from an energy input standpoint. They can also be stored far easier and far longer when you can put them into a bound state like positronium or parapositronium. The plasmonic trick with matter waves was the first way we learned how to make the magic happen. Lasers are probably the go to now because they can hit intensity levels potentially above the Schwinger limit straight out of the gate.
>You’re bound to see a UFO if you just look out your window
You so fucking stupid that you don’t understand the difference between a fucking flying rock entering space and an actual plane moving with intelligence and acquiring G’s which no known human plane can reach now. Are you deliberately being dumb or what? I want to kick you in the neck you faggot
I'm gonna suspend all disbelief here and ask you what you think of the patents mentioned here, user. It'd probablyyake more effort to make this text up than actually learn it
Okay, but if these things are hyper expensive are they going to use them as genetic kill vehicles?
If they had some sort of MURADER plasma weapon maybe, but that's not a capability these things have displayed js it?
>Im assuming it's all terrestrial tech and not recovered ayyyyy shit
It seems ridiculous but there's more than patents. There is shitloads of actual scientific data from research projects at NIST, UC Boulder, Penn State, Rice University, UT Austin/Texas Petawatt, University of Washington, etc. This obviously excludes the classified stuff, in light of how difficult it is for researchers to penetrate military organizations and get actors to discuss matters that bear on national security. It's going to take no small amount of engineering and math to make functional devices.
they use a particle accelerator and dense element to create antimatter. this antimatter comes into contact with a gas (matter) creating incredible amounts of electricity. somehow this energy in converted into a device that manipulates the gravitational field aroud the craft.
They said the footage is real.
Which we knew. It's footage of a bug on the inside of the IR window/ lens.
Not gonna lie, as a second year Physics student, at least some of what you're saying makes sense. I don't believe you, but it isn't schizo-tier nonsense.
Sissy training
yo is this shit real, I thought you couldn’t interact with all that quantum vacuum virtual particle bullshit.
You do realize that the video you took that screen grab from isn't in space right? Notice all the gravity present?
Why not? That was a declassified prototype from 11 years ago, and MIRV countermeasures have remained a relevant topic of study, why should someone assume that no progress whatsoever has been made?
no propellant spewing out of it? It’s an infrared video it would be obvious if it was violently spraying hot gas to move. plus those things in the 2014/2015 encounters were darting around in the sky for 10+ hours, chemical propellents would run out
Proteus? Pic related. Also wasn't a satellite that was hit in orbit were gamma radiation was detected in higher than normal background radiation?
>It seems ridiculous but there's more than patents. There is shitloads of actual scientific data from research projects at NIST, UC Boulder, Penn State, Rice University, UT Austin/Texas Petawatt, University of Washington, etc. This obviously excludes the classified stuff, in light of how difficult it is for researchers to penetrate military organizations and get actors to discuss matters that bear on national security. It's going to take no small amount of engineering and math to make functional devices.
What do you think they are trying to achieve with the video leaks and showing public patents? It's obvious they are carefully feeding the information out but their actual goal is ambiguous.
It's XCOM or whatever the rl equivalent is selling tech for funding. We're at war with the aliens.
>Shadow government is actually a group pf desperate patriots defending Earth from ayys.
>Use whatever funding they can get so the iddiots in Washington don't kill their project.
>Retards online cook up stupid conspiracy theories and other dumb shit.
>If you only knew how bad things are.
You do realize that the craft in the screengrab I posted is being tested in a lab environment, and that the craft itself only has enough fuel onboard for a few seconds of maneuvering right?
MKVs are designed to intercept ballistic missiles in the upper atmosphere at best, if not hard vacuum. They are not aerodynamic enough, nor do they carry enough fuel, to be used in-atmosphere. That'd be like expecting the moon lander to carry dudes into Mogadishu like it was a Little Bird.
The big deal was that the Navy confirmed that a few videos pertaining to the "tic tac" posted by Tom Delonge (referenced by name) are real videos, and that the tic tac is in fact unidentifiable by the Navy. Hence the classification Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
Now notice a few things:
>they will not say it is extra-terrestrial
>they purposely use the new UAP nomenclature
>in removing the words "flying" and "object", the government can now be more ambiguous about these entities, opening possibility to new scapegoats and excuses for what we see in UFO footage
>how do you think they work
According to the few credible sources they fold space around themselves to create a pocket universe inside ours. This is the ultimate defense, there is no way to breach it because any weapon that hits it would just be folded around it along with spacetime. For example they fly because gravity and air literally doesnt affect them.
>why haven’t they been used in war, can they mount weapons.
Thats the downside of this way to fly, no way to shoot in, no way to shoot out. You would have to shut down your drive and drop your shield to fire anything out and your enemy (if he has the same tech) likely would just shrug your weapon off.
Space folding ends regular warfare forever, the only way to conduct war is to manipulate spacetime itself, destroy stars and planets your enemy likes, or go back in time and fuck his grandmother.
Bob Lazar specifically pointed out theyre meant to be crewed, there are rooms inside and seats. So they arent traditional von neumann probes, he doesnt speculate unlike others.
Also Bob said they looked old, not necessarily from archeological sources. The ships might be light speed but still take 1000 years to get here. Or they might just be very reliable and in service for many tens of thousands of years. Or they might be brand new but just look old to human eyes.
Einstein didnt originate or spread the aether theory, and plank units are still fixed last time I checked.
>Those gamma bursts can trigger a positron cascade
Why would they do this?
>Also Bob said they looked old, not necessarily from archeological sources
He did say at least one of them came from an archaeological dig
The craft is obviously designed for space. It's much more efficient to run something like this with low, sustained rocket bursts or even something lower energy like propellers (ala quadrocopter). The small, powerful bursts are to ensure precision maneuverability in a zero-gravity environment, in the same form as the cold gas thrusters on rockets and modules on current rocket technology.
bob lazar is a hack retards
He talked about that before anyone knew it existed publicly. He at LEAST had access to documents the average joe didnt during the cold war.
A butterfly could be a UFO, if'n you're dumb enough.