Why do we assume if someone is involuntarily celibate it's because they have a bad personality or they're not trying...

Why do we assume if someone is involuntarily celibate it's because they have a bad personality or they're not trying hard enough?

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because they cant fight back

They are ugly and isolated.

It's an example of the just world hypothesis.

Because if youve ever met an incel youd know how bad their personalities are

Because involuntarily celibate is a contradiction in terms. If you are celibate you chose it.

People need to stop falling for the free will meme. You're not in control of your own thoughts, let alone whether or not you get laid.

Pretty sure Elliot Rodger didn't choose it. Keep pretending we live in a just world though. Seriously why are you even on r9k?

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if that dumb shit would have just waited a couple years he would have had pussy

By "we", you mean the normie hordes from reddit, yeah? Here's the deal:

>In a lot of cases, not all, but a lot, the incel could probably do self improvement to improve their odds of success with women.
>The problem, normies, if you're reading, is that you don't really have any way of knowing what the person on the internet has tried and hasn't.
>Some people legitimately are hideously ugly to the extent that even extensive plastic surgery would be a waste of time.
>Some people are mentally ill, and even on meds others find them off-putting.
>Some people have tried everything, have spent years on self improvement, have asked out hundreds of women, and still haven't been successful.

The point is, while we get that you think you're trying to help, and appreciate that your assumption that trying to be more confident or asking more women out will work for us (since it may have worked for you or someone else) seems reasonable to you, what I'd invite you to consider is that a lot of people on the chans aren't in the same situation you were. Some of us have been trying our asses off for two decades, and have been so beaten down by rejection that we feel there's not really a point in trying anymore.

Because they do. They either have a toxic personality or they just haven't tried hard enough.

Elliot rodger chose it because he only desired hot blondes out if his league

For the same reasons people assume all traps are overweight menwhales drooling over cocks. Sometimes you just can't escape the bad sides of a stereotype. But i get what you're coming from, if by that you mean that you arent actively looking for a gf so still celibate (?). Part of me doesn't care enough to go after girls, the other wouldn't mind being asked out.

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>Some people legitimately are hideously ugly to the extent that even extensive plastic surgery would be a waste of time.

But bro i know this one ugly guy with a girlfriend!!!! explain that bro!!! ur just making excuses bro!!

>cry about tfw no gf every day
>get mad when they tell you how to get a gf

>proceeds to list a bunch of premises that do not apply to him
>somehow is justified
>absolved of any responsibility
>determinism, absolutely no agency

Not even 10% of incels are legitimate lost causes. Get your cognitive dissonance under control.

Because everyone sees couples that look like this every day of their lives, so the assumption is you can just find someone on your level

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He chose to not talk to girls. He chose to never try even once asking a girl out. He chose to lash out at girls instead of being nice to them.

Alright, look. This isn't just normies being mean. They legitimately think if you are a good person then you'll magically be happy.
Who wouldn't want that kind of optimism

The last one is a total lie. Nobody here has worked hard and tried everything and failed.

if he walked up to a girl and asked them out they wouldve called him a creep and got restraining orders.

Only because he acted creepy and autistic

its not about how you act. just how you look. wish you dumbass normies would realize this.

How many times have you talked to a girl?
I'm not even memeing, what is your experience here?

Because he chose to not take his meds which made him act unhinged.

That DOES NOT happen in real life. What you read about are extreme outliers.

I have personally approached hundreds of women. Not a hyperbole. Hundreds. Not once has it gone so far as to get called creepy or threatened with a restraining order.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Elliot looked perfectly decent, wtf are you talking about?

his dad said that they sometimes talked about hiring a hooker so he could pop the cherry but... i don't think Elliot Rodger was your average type of Incels. Usually the bad seeds (so, major part) of incels, are whiny assholes with no skills in being humanly deserving of anything. In his case, it's pretty clear he was insane from the get-go, before his interest in girls even starts to peak. Dude hated his family and every minor thing. If he hadn't killed for lust, he would have done it for anything else really. His dad also said that maybe Elliot never understood the concept of even "asking" a girl, and that they were just biogically meant to do the first step.

This is not a face that any girl wants to call her boyfriend. Especially when she has other options available on Tinder.

Imagine a girl sending this picture to her friends. "Look at my boyfriend". Not gonna happen.

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desu i saw a lot of guys uglier than him who still got laid at one point or another. Hell, even Chris-chan got a relationship and even """fucked""".

It's not about looks, it's more about not being a fucking retard. (... a little bit ironic since the last example but whatever you get the idea)

Chris-chan is white.

*get mad when they tell you how they got a gf.
Nigger did you even read what I wrote? Literally the first point was that a lot of incels really could fix their shit with self improvement, and absolutely should at least try it.
You've got zero way of knowing that. I first hand know people that use Jow Forums and try their asses off. I know because I was the guy encouraging them to get fit, to go out to bars with me, to ask girls out, and then watching them fail over and over again. Most of them? No, absolutely not. But they're out there.

Touche. Didn't see that one coming.

Well what the fuck do you expect to hear about how to get a gf?
Its complicated but also not complicated, find a girl and see if she wants to date you

Me? I have a girlfriend. But if I give advice to incels who are asking, I recognize they generally understand the dynamic of asking a girl for her number. What they struggle with is approach anxiety and repeated rejection fucking with them.
So, me personally, I take the time to suss that out about their situation, then focus on how to know if she's interested in/receptive to your approach in the first place. That way you can get a reasonably reliable sense of whether or not asking her is going to work for you without actually asking her.

Women who are interested in a guy are as a rule not very good at hiding it.

same reason we assume bums put themselves on the streets.
cognitive dissonance.

oh and dodging empathy/not having to be accountable for anything.