Autism does not give you savant powers in exchange for social grace. It makes you stupid as fuck both socially, emotionally and intellectually.
The reality is that an autist who is obsessively interested in, for example, trains, are using it mostly as a self-soothing strategy; he doesn't actually learn a ton about trains let alone understand them. A normie who decide to become an engine driver will usually surpass an autist's lifetime obsession in just a few years.
An autist may have average IQ just like a man missing a leg may have average physical fitness, but the former is unable to think and the latter is unable to run. Yet people are spreading the idea that autists are misunderstood geniuses that would achieve a lot if only society was structured differently.
If you're autistic and want to become even remotely useful you're going to have to put in a lot of hard work (just like everyone else). Don't just sit on your ass and convince yourself you're just misunderstood, I've seen that mentality cripple people and turn them into permanent disability cases.
This is the conclusion I've come to after meeting many people on the spectrum and being friends with them so take it for what it is. I've read a lot of research on autism but I found little of it to be helpful.
As if becoming a permanent disability case isn't a good thing. Have fun working hard all your life trying to impress the normie-industrial complex while we turbo autists enjoy our quiet simple lives on NEETbucks.
Jonathan Taylor
>Autism does not give you savant powers in exchange for social grace. True, at least in most cases.
>It makes you stupid as fuck both socially, emotionally and intellectually. False. It doesn't adversely affect people's intellectual ability.
>The reality is that an autist who is obsessively interested in, for example, trains, are using it mostly as a self-soothing strategy; he doesn't actually learn a ton about trains let alone understand them. False.
>A normie who decide to become an engine driver will usually surpass an autist's lifetime obsession in just a few years. Possible, but unlikely if the autist has the opportunity to indulge his obsession.
>An autist may have average IQ just like a man missing a leg may have average physical fitness, but the former is unable to think and the latter is unable to run. Firstly, the autist is able to think, though there can be problems communicating the result of that thinking.
>Yet people are spreading the idea that autists are misunderstood geniuses that would achieve a lot if only society was structured differently. The way society is structured does prevent autistic people from achieving their potential. That potential may not be genius level, but it is significant.
Lincoln Rivera
Only dumb normies think that all autists are natually more intelligent than them. We all know that geniuses can come from anyone regardless of whether they are autistic or not. But the general autist has the advantage of enduring extreme boredom that can make the usual chad go insane. All he gotta does is work, work and work and doesnt feel the need care about anything else, thus he will be better than the normies. The train example is just one case and just cannot fully wrap the situation. What if the autists decide to go to school to study just that? Hasnt he already got a very good head start? And its his obsession therefore he will be miles better than chad. And what about technology? Computer science? Your post is full of holes and you know it. Stop thinking you are some kind of genius just because you had some shallow idea about how the world works, bucko
Jeremiah Nelson
Come next recession and you're screwed. Do not take welfare for granted.
>False. I'd prefer an argument over a contradiction.
>Possible, but unlikely if the autist has the opportunity to indulge his obsession. I've seen autists freely indulge in their obsessions and their knowledge is still shallow. It's not too disimmilar from the "I've been drawing my entire life" kind of people who still suck because they only practice practice practice and doesn't put conscious effort into improving. That kind of improvement requires executive functions which autists often lack.
>Firstly, the autist is able to think, though there can be problems communicating the result of that thinking. This is the myth of the misunderstood autist savant. Above I detailed another example of how autists are less competent thinkers (even if their IQ is normal or high).
>What if the autists decide to go to school to study just that? Then they have likely worked on overcoming their disability and aren't actively using their autism powers.
>Your post is full of holes and you know it. Stop thinking you are some kind of genius just because you had some shallow idea about how the world works, bucko I was hoping people would want to discuss it with me...
Ian Thompson
But being good at a task isn't all that is needed. The possible increase in competency is not worth the massive social impairment of autism. Also, social competency is a significant part in many jobs especially when you move from entry/low level to middle management if not beyond. These are precisely the important periods where autists are inevitably disadvantaged and have trouble to make it to a next level.
Well op tell us about the autists you met. What there interests were and how they were like.
Parker Jackson
>work on disability other than using autism to study hard What the hell are you on about? Sure it makes the autist uncomfortable but it doesnt prevent him this much from learning things he likes Not all jobs user. And you seem to think money and power = better. What if its just the search for knowledge? To just get better at a certain subject like programming or drawing? And to see an autist wanting to work on such social jobs is just very rare, maybe never exist the first place. Such people prefer solitude
Jaxon Powell
People (women in particular) will discredit anything a person does if they're bad socially. They think that if a social retard can do it maybe they can do it too.
Matthew Ramirez
>If you're autistic and want to become even remotely useful you're going to have to put in a lot of hard work (just like everyone else) Obviously. Why would it be any different?
>A normie who decide to become an engine driver will usually surpass an autist's lifetime obsession in just a few years. Wow, so you're telling me that a professional is more knowledgeable than an amateur hobbyist? Incredible insight.
>An autist may have average IQ just like a man missing a leg may have average physical fitness, but the former is unable to think and the latter is unable to run.
This is not an argument, I don't understand what you're getting at by saying that we're stupid, are you trying to make yourself feel better because at least you're above us subhumans?
Some people don't want to manage others, I enjoy doing the actual work at my job instead.
Obviously Autism is a huge disadvantage and it sucks, but your posts about it are useless.
Christian Hernandez
>I'd prefer an argument over a contradiction. And I'd prefer evidence over conjecture.
>I've seen autists freely indulge in their obsessions and their knowledge is still shallow. Sure, but over their lifetimes most will expand and deepen their knowledge.
>It's not too disimmilar from the "I've been drawing my entire life" kind of people who still suck because they only practice practice practice and doesn't put conscious effort into improving. That kind of improvement requires executive functions which autists often lack. What kind of improvement do you imagine autistic people to be incapable of?
>|Firstly, the autist is able to think, though there can be problems communicating the result of that thinking. >This is the myth of the misunderstood autist savant. NO IT IS NOT!!!!!!!
The myth of the misunderstood autistic savant is that autistic people all have superhuman abilities but communication difficulties limit their usefulness.
You claim autistic people are "stupid as fuck" but it seems you're so dumb you can't even tell the difference between superhuman thinking abilities and the basic ability to think!
>Above I detailed another example of how autists are less competent thinkers (even if their IQ is normal or high). You didn't detail any example. All you've supplied is conjecture, vague claims, flawed similes and illogical conclusions. Plus your original conclusion that hard work is required - which I think is pretty obvious, but I hope it's equally obvious to you that it won't guarantee success.
Levi Perez
Yes, money is better if I don't want to be so poor that I can't even hope to ever buy my own place because it's so expensive. My point was that most jobs need some social ability, even ones that aren't obviously social like construction. My fucking coworkers who are basically young people straight out of school have to go to meetings with architects and consultants already. I'll probably soon have to do it too. Someone who can't handle socializing would fail at even this (yeah I'm probably fucked).
>Some people don't want to manage others It's not a choice for most people unless you want to keep doing low pay shit.
Camden Lewis
ITS YOU AGAIN THE INTERNET PSYCHOLOGIST I btfod you last time so fuck off and you never replied to me
Autism uprising when lads? sick of these fucking neurotypicals shitting on us I am fucking sick of it.
>people are spreading the idea that autists are misunderstood geniuses that would achieve a lot if only society was structured differently. who are these people you're referring to
like can you point in their general direction?
Evan Sanchez
>What kind of improvement do you imagine autistic people to be incapable of? Well they can't remove the autism from their brains but they can overcome it with effort which will put them on the same level as neurotypicals. The main difference between the low-functioning aspies and the high-functioning aspies I meet are wether or not they take responsibility for their lives or are aware of their problems. Worst case scenario they'll assume that since the autism can't be removed they can't ever become functional.
I should perhaps clarify that "misunderstood genious" is an exaggeration, but I do know people who claim that they have special ability to concentrate that normies don't.
Try wrongplanet.net or some other site. You'll also find psychologists and relatives memeing this.
Jose Ortiz
You don't need to handle socialising to handle meetings. You have an objective, you have to communicate the objective, and you'll probably have to answer a few questions. The rest of the time you can keep quiet, though on the rare occasions when you see a problem with what they're saying, it's best to speak up.
Normies may mistake this for socialising, but it isn't.
Joseph Lewis
I hate autists too but I just think they're assholes is all.
William Kelly
Autism doesn't necessarily make people social retarded, if they are high functioning. I am diagnosed, and would consider myself to have great social skills, especially as a leader. Plus I am very smart at what I do. Autist or normie, it makes no difference. Some people can into the social world, others just can't. I think it has a lot to do with life experiences. As a child I was forced to go outside and interact with grownups all the time, and as a depressed anxious teenager, I was made to go to CBT. Now im high in the social hierarchy.
Jackson Carter
This is what all autists tell themselves, their true self is like sunlight to a vampire to them, they'd die from cringe if facing it for longer than a moment. maybe this applies to all people and autists just cant hide their self from others
Logan Ramirez
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Camden Morris
We can think, dude.
Jonathan Ross
Autism is purely an emotional or social development, it doesn't make the functioning ones stupid or smart. It just makes them unable to understand social cues and extremely emotionally unstable.
Mason Sanchez
>Well they can't remove the autism from their brains but they can overcome it with effort which will put them on the same level as neurotypicals. That's certainly one approach, but it's a lot of effort and the end result is mediocrity!
'Tis better to build on your strengths than to put all your energy into overcoming your weaknesses.
And I notice you didn't actually answer my question!
>The main difference between the low-functioning aspies Is there such a thing? I though people had to be high functioning to be aspies?
>and the high-functioning aspies I meet are wether or not they take responsibility for their lives or are aware of their problems. Worst case scenario they'll assume that since the autism can't be removed they can't ever become functional. Assuming autism to preclude functionality is part of the problem.
>I should perhaps clarify that "misunderstood genious" is an exaggeration, but I do know people who claim that they have special ability to concentrate that normies don't. That's hardly special. Do you have any reason to doubt them?
Matthew Fisher
the only reason people thought autismos have high IQs is because when Asperger's was a subcategory of autism (it isn't any more), they did have a higher average.but now they're together in one category. i wouldn't be surprised if autismos have lower average.
I absolutely hate the way people talk about autism as having some kind of positive traits. its just done by people to make themselves feel better. people used to make some bullshit up about Einstein having failed in school or Bill Gates dropping out of college for the same reasons.
Isaiah Lee
i agree, i was diagnosed with autism at 13 and the best thing for me was when i started working at 16. Learning to talk to people as a waiter and work on a restaurant staff helped me a lot to hide my autism. It is at the point where it's hard for people to tell that I'm autistic.
Parker Williams
>>The main difference between the low-functioning aspies >Is there such a thing? I though people had to be high functioning to be aspies? There are aspies who can't live on their own and there are aspies who can.
Anthony Long
This is why I'm capitalist. If I own my own business nobody can persecute me for my social blunders and I can fire people if they try to bully me.
Dylan Phillips
But you don't own your own business robot now do you
I don't feel cringe. It's just something normies feel to make up problems that don't exist
Chase Cox
Not yet but I'm saving up for one.
Leo Torres
It is positive in some ways. I'm blessed with an independent mind. I don't care what my peers think. If something makes no sense I reject it. Your solution to life is to look at yourself as inferior and worship the peers who rejected you. Good luck working so hard to fit in while they cringe. I'm smart enough to know that almost every expression is something that triggers them. It's not smart to try and fit in if they have nothing to give you.
Christopher Diaz
The conclusion I've come to from talking to high-functioning autists is that they sometimes have a form of social superpower: the expectations and duties that are applied to normal people are relaxed when it comes to them. They can tell their boss "that's a stupid idea, it won't work" and not get fired.
Blake Kelly
It's because when we pretend to be normal people are critical, bully us, and ostracize us. Standing up for ourselves is the only way not to allow NTs to ruin our lives. It's also because NTs see us as a natural Target. The target standing up neutralizes it. If we weren't seen as natural targets it would be seen as more of a threat.
Carson Walker
How do i put a conscious effort into improving?
Sebastian Foster
>who are these people you're referring to
Jow ForumsAspergers
Matthew White
>Jow ForumsAspergers >people who are obsessed with their mental illness to the point that they spend their time posting about it, and have built up a community around said illness also make exagerated claims about it wowe
Nathan Thompson
user, stop calling Asperger's a mental ilness. It's stigmatizing and very ableist.
Nathaniel Sullivan
How is this new information? I'm an Assburger and even I know this. Simply being autistic doesn't make you a genius, but I put in the work anyways and get the same results as a normal. That's how the world works, for everyone.
Cooper James
People and myself have suspected im autismo all my life but i never had a diagnosis so im just stupid as fuck and have to wageslave anyway at shitty factory jobs that literal robots do.
Shit sucks mang, dont even have friends or money
Adrian Moore
Yes, not all high functioning autistics are geniuses. Savant syndrome is fairly rare to what I believe; atleast, I have never met a fellow aspie who is also a savant. Also, do you think autistics LIKE to be autistic...? No way. I wish a was NT alot of the time. Sure I am misunderstood, however; I do not expect society to change for me. I know that I am a minority and NTs are the majority. But neurotypicals don't have to be such ASSHOLES to those of us who are trying our very best to fit into this society! Fucks sake, as if I don't already know I'm socially awkward... I am fairly self aware of that at this point. I wish I wasn't at all though; because that would make life much, much easier for me.
Cooper Harris
>But neurotypicals don't have to be such ASSHOLES to those of us who are trying our very best to fit into this society!
user, what happened?
Jayden Reyes
What happened: was been bullied for years, called a sperg countless times and manipulated by numerous contemporaries of mine due to my naive nature (when I was a young child and preteen, that is), lack the femininity that is expected of me due to my interests and the way my brain is wired, etc etc. I am constantly labeled as being childish just due to my interests and my ability to see the positivity and loveliness in 'immature' things and tv programs, as well. Being bullied for my whole school life is what has lead me to be this way at times; this way meaning; a bit skeptical of normies and neurotypicals. Even when I used to try to be not weird; it didn't work, I was still weird. I just ask that people don't bully 'weird' people (esp. autistics), and I guess that is too much to ask for!
David Cooper
Aspergers doesn't even appear to be even in the newest DSMV, as it looks like it has been split into two smaller names.
Michael Carter
Are there autists into quantitative finance? Is Paul Wilmott a autist?
Brody Harris
As a autist myself I completely agree with this. My pseudo knowledge of shit is all useless. I can talk and learn history forever, but honestly it's all just for me. I have no real idea how to apply it to a job or conversation. As well any of my own fixations that often come and go quickly.
Owen Fisher
You can get around 60-80k from lots professional jobs if you don't take any type of manager role and keep going for a while. I don't think I need more than that if it negatively impacts my life.
Jacob Bell
>You can It's too late for me. I'm just waiting for it to all come crashing down and end up resigning myself to dead end jobs.
Autism doesn't make you dumb, but it doesn't make you smart either.
Blake Reed
>Be me >Be in elementary school >There is an autistic kid in the class >Works super hard, like everyday >Every year he gets better and better grades
Don't know if he is still out there, but he was honestly an inspiration to me.
Ian Walker
>Autism does not give you savant powers in exchange for social grace. true
>It makes you stupid as fuck both socially, emotionally and intellectually. Just 1 and 2, autists are equally intelligent but have difficulty applying themselves
>The reality is that an autist who is obsessively interested in, for example, trains, are using it mostly as a self-soothing strategy; he doesn't actually learn a ton about trains let alone understand them. A normie who decide to become an engine driver will usually surpass an autist's lifetime obsession in just a few years. To become a professional the normie likely put in comparative time. if not, then it was maybe his social skills that earned him his position and not his knowledge/qualifications. But you would never know because autists have difficulty scraping through interviews and getting along well enough at work to advance
>Yet people are spreading the idea that autists are misunderstood geniuses that would achieve a lot if only society was structured differently. They aren't geniuses but they are misunderstood and held very far back from their potential. Autist intellectual potential varies just as much as normies. However, the fact that society values social skills and status over actual merit and qualification means that very many autists are held back from higher level education and work. Perhaps an autist with the brains, ambition, and work ethic of Einstien was held back from academia or the corporate world as a result of his social shortcomings.
Brody Anderson
High functioning just means you are not mentally retarded and can't speak.
