Women are hypocrites. There is NO WAY to have both hypergamy and equality. I have never heard a woman make a good argument for it. They just fall back on the "w-we can have both!" but you can't. You can't be both submissive and inferior to your husband but also be equal to men as a group. Think about it, if all women are submissive to their man, then women are submissive to men. There is no separation between the bedroom and the rest of the world, there is no separation between a persons personal relationships and how people as a group stand in society.
The personal is political. If women desire equality with men, they can not only search out partners who make more than them, who are more educated than them, who have more power than them, who are taller than them, etc.
There is literally no argument against this.
Women are hypocrites. There is NO WAY to have both hypergamy and equality...
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sadly men do it too
the pharmacist and local jewelry owner were both 40 something when then decided to leave the wives behind (neither of them fat or ugly, top milfs desu)
to go with a twenty something slut for the jewelry man and another man's wife for the pharmacist
now they're both alone, both have been left by the once cheaters, always a cheater roasties, both drunk and broke former shell of themselves, both hated by their kids while their wives who stayed true are living the good life.
You know what you leave, you don't know what you get.
very nice cherry picking. Then again you probably got abused by mommy at childhood so Im not surprised you hate women.
Men are not hypergamous like women are whatsoever and you know it.
Nice ad-hominem. I was never abused by my mother I had a very good childhood.
Im not using the OP picture as evidence, the evidence is all the data from dating sites, women freezing their eggs because "where are the good men", and the things I hear women say irl and on this board.
Women CAN NOT be submissive but also equal. When 90%+ women are submissive personally that can not be rectified with equality as a sex class. The personal is political.
Now are you going to try to make an actual argument or continue to embarrass yourself?
Do yourself a favor and stop obsessing about shitty women. Save up money and enroll in a university class specifically with the purpose of finding a kawaii South Korean qt 3.14. You'll thank me later.
Why do you people insist on coming here? Obviously this isn't the right place for you.
Define equal. Also as I can see your only interaction with women is internet, so you're not doing yourself any favours.
>hypergamous
meme word
fidelity is all that matters
But it's not shitty women it's the vast majority of them. Like what you're saying is still completely in line with what I'm talking about, the "qt 3.14 south korean" would see me as superior because i'm white, and educated, and taller than her, etc.
The problem isn't MY experience (I actually have a gf although I know many here will deny that) the problem is that women AS A SEX CLASS are hypocritical.
Again, you don't know shit about me. I have a gf.
Equal as in, you demand to have equal representation in governments, to have equal pay, to be equally represented in jobs, but STILL only go for men who are "above" you.
You only go for men who are 'dominant'. You only go for men who make more. Who are as/more educated. Who are taller. Who are smarter.
You can't demand equality as a sex class but then seek out inferiority in your personal relationships. It's not sustainable and the personal is political.
L O L. If have to justify yourself in the most autistic forum in 4chins, you dont have a gf.
Most separate the bedroom from the real world. Otherwise, there would be far more people running around donning latex fetish wear, wearing chasity belts, and making a show out of observing people's feet.
So you're just not going to respond to anything I'm saying then. This is what happens every fucking time. I'm not 'justifying' myself by telling you your ad hominem is wrong.
Respond to the points or stop embarrassing yourself.
not an argument
you stupid ignorant faglord
That's not what I mean by that. The personal is political is a FEMINIST saying talking about how women can not be submissive to their husbands but also demand equality in society. I didn't make it up. I'm not talking about BDSM sex I'm talking about relationship roles and the status of the partners in the relationships. Women seek to be inferior and submissive in their relationships, this is dichotomous to them being equal in society.
You seriously think I can embarrass myself on r9k? Just how fucking autistic are you? I bet youre one of those faggots who keeps a chalkboard with how many internet arguments he won.
Respond to the points or fuck off and stop wasting my time you moron.
no you little autist. I bet you masturbate to cartoons.
I think you'd really love reading John Norman's Gorean Saga. Regardless, why does BDSM get a free pass? You just said there's no separation between the bedroom and the real world. You can't pick one aspect in the bedroom while ignoring the rest.
Retard. Just hang yourself piece of shit
I don't watch porn. Stop making pathetic ad-homs and espond to the points or get the fuck out you sub 110 IQ moron.
BDSM doesn't get a pass, my point was it's not limited to BDSM, its ALL aspects of personal relationships.
It wouldn't be a problem if women were equally split in their behavior in relationships but they aren't. It's legitimately at least 90%+ of women who refuse to date men who they perceive as "equal" or "beneath" them. This is not sustainable.
just kill alimony and child support too.
She provides the reason as to why women were kept down in marriage.
I'm the guy that posted
Only the Sith deals in absolutes. Just focus on what you want. So what if most women are shit? I'm gonna say it one more time for you. Real slow.
Cute. Asian. Gf.
What if what I want is for women as a class to stop being hypocritical hypergamous human beings and for ACTUAL equality to exist?
So... why isn't it common to see people running around in latex fetish wear, displaying their chasity belts, or making a show of observing people's feet? It is because most seperate the bedroom from the real world. You can say women are just unequal instead of putting a foolish spin on the matter. Otherwise, you find yourself saying two different things in the same thread.
Then you're too preoccupied with ideals and abstractions. The world has always been shit, user. It's just a different kind of shit now.
Oh, you want to find a wife that'll be the breadwinner?
He is seeking a breadwinning lady. Cute Asian girl does him no good.
You're not making a point user. First of all, that leather BDSM stuff isn't that common. Secondly, THAT'S MY POINT. People (women especially) are hypocrites who try to separate relationships from society at large but it doesn't work. That's why women are freezing their eggs or getting pregnant via in vitro fertilization over getting men because 'where are all the good men" (i.e. where are the men who are superior to me).
If a woman makes 80k a year she's only going to look for men who make more than 80k a year "because I don't want to be the breadwinner". There's way more examples of this but the point is it is NOT SUSTAINABLE at a societal level and women need to either give up hypergamy or give up equality.
We can make it better.
>Oh, you want to find a wife that'll be the breadwinner?
That's not what I said. What I want is for people to stop being hypocrites it's not sustainable.
You don't like the BDSM argument because it would be proving that people seperate the bedroom and the real world.
I don't like the BDSM argument because it's not an argument. My point is you CANT ACTUALLY separate the bedroom from the rest of the world, it doesn't matter if people attempt to.
You should read about this:
en.wikipedia.org
What has happened is women have demanded and won equality in soceity but still desire and seek out inferiority in the personal relationships. HOW IS THIS NOT FUNDAMENTALLY DICHOTOMOUS? Tell me what happens when it's completely equalized in terms of wealth, or even if women begin to out-earn men (which they do under 30!).
You just don't like the idea that you can't have your cake and eat it too. Well, you can't. You can't seek out masculine superior men but then demand and march and chant that women are totally equal.
It is an argument, but you don't want to accept the argument because it is counterproductive to your ideology.
Also, I'm not a second-wave feminist so it wouldn't make sense for me to be sharing their viewpoint.
Are you truly this dumb?
>Men are not hypergamous like women are whatsoever and you know it.
Someone has never been out into the real world interacting with real world people.
Hey everyone, look at this guy. He thinks only women are sluts and hypergamous yet somehow men aren't. So who are women having sex with?
Don't you follow the made-up Jow Forums memeology of all the top 60% of women gravitate towards the top 10% of men? So isn't it true then that men are in fact more hypergamous, since a smaller percentage of them is having sex with a much higher portion of women? The Chads at the top must be fucking two new women a day to satisfy the egregious female hypergamy claims perpetuated by this board.
No it's not. You aren't understanding what I'm saying, so let me try to explain it.
It wouldn't matter if men and women actually were split in terms of interests and relationship roles and all that. If there were an equal amount of male and female breadwinners, if both sexes were equally represented in seeking out dominant and submissive partners, in power positions, etc. Then it would just be everyone is an individual and it wouldn't matter.
But that is NOT what has happened, nor does it look like that's what will happen. Women REFUSE to take on the dominant roles while still demanding to be dominant. IT's not possible, it's literally not even possible let alone the fact it's hypocritical. 90%+ of women STILL only seek out partners who are more powerful than them, who make more than them, who are taller than them, more educated, etc. They AS A SEX CLASS still seek submission and inferiority whilst trying to rectify that with equality. THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. Now we have women freezing their eggs and getting pumped and dumped and single mothers are ubiquitous because women have not given up their mating hypergamy whilst still receiving societal equality.
Well, the personal is politcal. Your personal life and your political existence are the same, there is no way to separate it. Women can not as a sex class seek masculine dominant superior men whilst also demanding equality in all other fields.
It has nothing to do with second wave feminists my argument stands on it's own, I'm just using the phrase because it's a true phrase. You CAN NOT separate your political/social existence with your personal one, especially when your sex/race class acts in some way.
>Someone has never been out into the real world interacting with real world people.
As I already said, I have a gf. Stop being retarded I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post because I refuse to engage with ad-hominem morons.
Did you read what you wrote before you pressed send?
Reply to my points or risk losing this internet argument.
Fine then.
Your points are retarded because you are confusing hypergany with polygamy.
Chads fucking a bunch of women is NOT hypergamous. You aren't even arguing from a proper starting position so there is no reason to continue this line of conversation.
You can have your argument.
So, this is about women having babies?
Okay now you're being disingenuous. It's about how it is FUNDAMENTALLY UNSUSTAINABLE for women to be hypergamous as well as demand equality. I think I've explained this very well, why are you dodging the conclusion?
It's not about babies, it's about the hypocrisy of women as a sex class
I guarantee this was question was asked by a dude who got hurt. Women aren't this blunt.
So yet again I have shown the hypocrisy and no one can say anything. This is getting so tiresome.
Just got finished watching CNNs coverage of incels and decided to take a trip from tumblr to here, huh?
Maybe /lgbt/ would be more appropriate for you.
OP it's fucked up how everyone has totally missed your point. Cool point though, never heard of it before now.
i dont think people miss my point, I think they understand what I'm saying but it crushes the narrative and they don't like it so they ignore it.
Refine it and spread it though, because the truth must spread.
lel stop lying on internet faggit.
You do realize r9k is perfect for getting (you)s?
le stop being a moron and respond to the points faggot
I wouldn't say most anons were being disingenuous. There was good discussion but not on-subject. The only thing that bothers me is that the feminist term has a different context from yours. While the feminists frame it as their victimization in a male-dominated society, you're framing it as women inadvertedly submitting themselves to a male-dominated society because they generally submit themselves to a dominant partner in their personal life?
Just want to clarify.
Yea kinda. I'm just trying to get people to see that it is not possible for women to be hypergamous and equal. It doesn't work. I wouldn't even say it's inadvertent I think women are purposefully trying to have their cake and eat it too.
I think they were being disingenuous, my point is clear to understand but they kept shifting goalposts or being purposefully obtuse; "this is about women having babies" "so you just want a breadwinner gf" and all that. It's easy to understand: if women want to actually be equal, than half of them are going to be with men who are "beneath" them. IF they really don't want that then what are we going to do? If hypergamy is actually a biological imperative or innate in women, then how can we ever actually have equality? It's not even something we should strive for in the first place.
are you getting triggered little autist?
I'm not triggered at all, it's obvious you don't have anything to say in the argument so I don't understand why you're acting like an idiot and wasting your time.
Just respond to the points I'm making. If you disagree with me, explain why.
damn the naysaying-niggers, OP, we both know you're right
nobody understands what love is, anymore
>Tell me what happens when it's completely equalized in terms of wealth, or even if women begin to out-earn men (which they do under 30!).
we all know what happens then. their standards keep rising, they keep competing for chad and only chad, while more and more men are just left in the dust with complete disregard.
now chad gets to plow a different girl every weekend, stacies (knowingly or not) share chad with other stacies, and betas become incels.
chad grows old happy because he got to fuck thousands of stacies before settling with his wife (who is 10 years younger than him)
stacy grows old sad and resentful because she couldnt lock down chad for herself and there aren't enough chads for every stacy to get one.
incels drop out completely or just kill themselves, and nobody cares.
I want to point out that while your enthusiasm is great, your exposition in every post can be hard to read. I think at least some of the anons got confused probably. If you make this thread again in the future, work on how concise and to the point you are, and be more rigid with your replies. If someone moves a goalpost or is being obtuse, address that directly but don't reiterate your original point.
This is good.
This however isn't very coercive.
These posts might not be yours, but ignoring trolls or dismissing them in about a sentence is the best way you'll stay on task. If you have the commitment, I've found success in the past goading trolls into genuine discussion, but I'm not one to explain how that's done.
Just don't add an additional paragraph to the end of every post restating what you said in the OP. If someone didn't get it, you're only going to confuse them further.
IT's just so tiresome. I've made this argument numorous times and I've NEVER heard a counter to it, probably because it doesn't exist and what I'm saying is true.
90% of women can't demand inferiority in their love life/relationships and then have women demand to be equal to men in work, government, etc. It's not fucking possible, it's literally IMPOSSIBLE and it's hypocritical.
Those posts were mine. Arguing about my exposition is annoying, respond to my points. Although I will take what you're saying for the future.
>IT's just so tiresome.
welcome to life, my friend
Sorry, like I said I thought the point in the OP is cool. I didn't have any argument to bring. I just hate how this thread didn't go places because no one got it or is trolling.
Why can people just tell their wives and husbands to get better and improve? Why do these people never think about this? Fucking normies I swear.
Yea I agree. It's so fucking annoying. We should refine the argument and spread it far and wide because I really do think that this is the core of most problems in society. Women are equalizing or even surpassing men economically and politically and educationally but rather than adjusting mating strategies they hold on to their hypergamy and now everything is shit.
I think that eventually they will just think that men aren't worth existing anymore.
youtube.com
I suggest everyone gives this a listen. You don't have to get all depressed an shit, but it's a beam of light if you're still in the dark.
Seems long but I'll watch it. Is it basically what I've been saying? It makes sense that other people would come to the same conclusions that I have.
they are literal children
my family is the same way, no one talks about anything unpleasant until it's too late and they snap and drop all of the shit at once
Constructive criticism. They are both unable to recive and provide such things.
They would rather let everything slip into chaos while chasing the short term feel good feelings than actually tackle the problems head on.
This however is not usually the fault of the individual even if it is included in the personal responsibility of everyone. Many people have been conditioned to be this way and it's hard to un-learn things.
It's a podcast, listen to it in the background while you do other stuff.
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Holy hell dude, holy hell
The only thing I will say is that I think there are many factors at play that are hard to account for. I would make a consideration for (broadly) social norms.
Some things that came to my mind while looking over the thread:
Are women exclusively hypergamous?
Is it hypergamy for a specific status? (An example being social status vs how tall you are, is all hypergamy equal?)
Is our development (nature/nature) related to how we (men and women both) play a role in your proposal?
Interestingly, I think most gender inequality discussion is loosely tied to the point you're making in this thread, it's just a unique spin on the usual.
These are good questions for further analysis, I don't have the answers to them right now. I'm happy that I have been able to spread this idea even if it's just to a handful of anons in this thread. An avalanche starts with a snowball after all.
I think we should both (and any/everyone else who understands what I'm saying itt) should think about the questions you raised and this point overall and refine it because this NEEDS to be solved if we're going to have a sustainable, equal, peaceful and efficient society.
Have a good day user :)
There's the exposition again. Still I wish you luck user, have a nice day.
I don't see the problem with my exposition. What's wrong with it? The adding of parenthesis in the middle of the sentence?