>Veganism is great. It is the most natural way of living
*bites his $15 faux-meat veggie hamburger*
>and it is fucking healthy
*stops to buy a box $35 box of vegan donuts*
Are they getting brainwashed? how can we save them? Is it just a way to hide a vapid personality, the same as tattoos?
>Is it just a way to hide a vapid personality, the same as tattoos?
If they have to go on about it, 9/10 times the answer is yes.
It's also pretty damn likely they take some anti-depressant, and have other mental problems.
It's a religion.
There is no saving them until they stop, which like 90% do.
>no coffee no workee
What would you do if you woke up one day and found you now look exactly like one of these two things?
pull the trigger
Touch my vagina
Retards are retards regardless of diet.
My brother went vegan at the start of 2017 and he’s gone from 170kg to 105kg so far, not tracking calories.
Granted I am 10,000 times more aesthetic than him, it appears going vegan has allowed him to have control over his eating and drop 65kg in 15 months.
Everything in this picture looks like total shit.
veganism isn't natural, but I'm vegan and loving it
Realistically that has less to do with going vegan and more to do with the willpower required to make such dietary changes to begin with. But good for him.
Now get him to do some lifting/training, a bit higher protein intake and down to 80kg. Gym brothers.
I would live life on easy mode
any restriction diet gives you results
that is the reason they are so popular
people can't seem to understand what is portion sizes, but find success in restricting entire food groups
judging by your brother progress, he was probably having too much saturated fats from butter or not lean meats
he could eat half the steak, and keep that progress without getting into a cult
Blow tons of guys (which is what I do anyway)
You ever see those fags in the gym, that you just know are vegans? Curly hair, middle aged, skinny fucks that have a serious look on their face? Mouth slightly open, squinting a little bit, they always seem to be looking around the gym, like they're trying to find someone/something, but never make eye contact with anyone.
Oh and when they walk, load the bar, and lift, they move just a little bit faster than normal, like they're trying not to miss a flight. pic related
Don't forget the $100 worth of supplements you have to buy in order to be healthy because humans naturally eat meat for a reason.
A year worth B12 is like 4 bucks though.
>inb4 a retarded list of other nutrients
>inb4 personal attack
I'm not even vegetarian.
wash my face and hair, remove most piercings. Go ask dad for more money (see willamsburg street fashion). Live normal life and touch vagene.
You just described me but I'm not vegan
IT'S WILLIAMSBURG
i guess bathing isnt vegan
somethig similar happened to me, he may also felt he was less bloated or inflamed
>tfw orthodox so I'm vegan through fasting like half the year
>fasting from dairy on weekends
That being said, it's usually better if you keep the fast. I have a friend who went to Holy Cross and they had dairy on the weekends.
Good to see a fellow Orthocuck though.
>veganism is gay. meat tastes good
*bites his overprocessed fast food hamburger*
>and it is fucking healthy
*stops to buy a box of donuts*
Better than doing the same thing but with artificial variants at 2 to 3 times the price.
You're a faggot loser either way.
Nice projection loser fag.
What the FUCK
>faux-meat
>literally the most processed meat possible
>but if it's vegan it's good
Me:
Doesn't eat animal products because I find it ethically unjustifiable
You:
Sit awake all night constructing strawman arguments about my decision
Honestly if you're this bothered by vegans it's because internally you know we're right
I think flat earthers believe weird things but I don't care because it doesn't trouble me, and yet my refusal to partake in cruelty troubles you
Why is that friend?
The problem is, veganism as a healthy lifestyle is a fallacy
that is the point of the thread
vegans end up eating processed food, full of chemicals, and over-priced pastries on the regular, thanks to bad muscle recovery
I am ok with moral veganism, but contemporary veganism as in vegan restaurants, and vegan burgers, is just a plain cashgrab
I'd bet that fake meat products are less unhealthy than a fast food burger or something like bacon/deli meat
>vegans end up eating processed food
>everyone in this group falls into this stereotype of a person i dont like
>The problem is, veganism as a healthy lifestyle is a fallacy
>vegans end up eating processed food, full of chemicals, and over-priced pastries on the regular, thanks to bad muscle recovery
Here's another fallacy, the strawman argument. You can be vegan without eating donuts and other shit.
Be thankful you don't have a gambling problem then.
I know, but I am pointing what is happening
Anything that rises above a certain bar of popularity invites people looking to prophet
Meanwhile the most processed thing I eat is seitan (which Jow Forums would be praising as god tier macro wise if it weren't for the vegan association )
I don't understand why we're always held to some unrealistic purity test or have to justify our lowest common denominator when all veganism is really is seeing a problem and taking a step to improve the situation
wise words, IMO
part of the problem is that many vegans become prophets, and can't stop selling their lifestyle
if you add guilty vegans, that treat meat eaters as assassins (aka. v*gan gains), then they get a lot of well deserved hate
meanwhile the industry is cashing on vegans like there is no tomorrow
I also think part of the issue is veganism is an incorrect solution to a very real dietary problem. The issue isn't eating meat, it's eating transfats, processed foods with unnatural chemical additives, and simply eating too much. You can eat meat without being guilty of any of these things, and likewise you can be vegan and be guilty of all of these things. In a way, the vegan trend obfuscates and diverts attention away from our real problems, and therefore prolongs our weight for real widespread solutions and improvement.
*our wait
kek freudian af
So is every kind of diet someone is attempting to promote.
>if you add guilty vegans, that treat meat eaters as assassins (aka. v*gan gains), then they get a lot of well deserved hate
I wouldn't throw VG under the bus so fast. He's gotten through to a lot of people with his approach. Many comments on his videos by people saying they hated him at first but kept watching his videos and eventually agreed with him.
> The issue isn't eating meat, it's eating transfats, processed foods with unnatural chemical additives, and simply eating too much.
No, meat comes with its own health problems.
As a MD I can tell you Vegans are prone to anemia although red meat consumption is akin to smoking. The white meats and fatty fish are healthful although pork is more of a red meat by muscle fiber.
So does eating only plants.
>No, meat comes with its own health problems.
So does all foods.
Which is why a balanced diet of natural whole foods and times of fasting is important to a long healthy life.
There may be minor inconveniences but not health problems.
>So does all foods.
Stupid thing to say.
VG uses the meat-eaters are killers argument on anyone that shows any kind of sentiment about anything or anyone
>you can't talk that you are against violence, if you eat met
>you can't condem terrorists because you eat meat
>you can't be against racism because you eat meat
Not wrong though, is he? People in glass houses. I think that's why his approach is so hit or miss.
>Stupid thing to say.
Call it what you want.
But its' true.
There is no single perfect food.
No panacea.
People who tell you these things are always either trying to sell you something or are fools who were convinced to buy from and believe in the former.
If you can't be honest about the issues with a plant-only diet, including all of the contaminants and carinogens they absorb from the ground, then there's no point in continuing this conversation. inb4 hurr you too, I'm not the one denying possible issues with red meat and dairy.
bruh the only ppl who can afford those shitty tattoos, makeup, and expensive vegan shit are retarded, rich white children. typically female. your pic says it all. ik a sperg vegan on discord and he flips the fuck out about it. white soy boy with girl hair.
Some foods improve your health, some foods harm your health. If we were talking about soda being bad for you, would you say "so are vegetables. no food is perfect"?
It's a stupid thing to say. It's trying to argue without having an argument.
>If you can't be honest about the issues with a plant-only diet, including all of the contaminants and carinogens they absorb from the ground, then there's no point in continuing this conversation
Okay, lay out your concerns for us with supporting evidence of why this leads to health problems in people eating plant-only (or plant-heavy) diets. I'd be very interested in it since plant-based diets are recommended by every health organization in the world and seem to associate with great health.
Listen, it is clear that you are incapable of critical thinking, so just do humanity a favour and neck yourself.
A woman could literally go around sucking and fucking dudes in clubs and public bathrooms for 10 years. Gangbangs and all of the nasty shit you could imagine.
At worst she'd have to move cities and start dressing more modestly, and keep her slutty behavior on the down low and she could have her whole life back. She could play houswife if she wanted and get some poor fuck to pay for it too, and she could even keep cheating on the side. What would be the punishment? Getting half of his shit??
Women have it 100% easy mode. It's like they are playing a videogame in real life. No matter how fucking hard they screw up they've got a reset button that can take them right back to the sweet life.
t. Richard
let them die
burn the deadwood
thats highly problematic
its a take on the old racist " noo tickeee noo shietteee"
i cant believe this is still a thing i mean cmom its 2018 !
I just tell people I'm vegan to gain the moral high ground, and eat all the meat I want in my home. Nothin' personnell... animals.
It's near impossible to fit enough calories into the day on a vegan diet, particularly if you want to eat a "healthy" vegan diet and not stuff yourself full of junk.
When my sister went vegan she lost quite a bit of weight, but the weight was only there not because of meat per se but because of her awful eating habits, she would snack and snack and snack all day. Now she still does the same shit, she's always eating. She prepares a vegan dish by the hour, but she is dangerously thing. You may get by on the diet, or even temporarily feel better (because your body is consuming its own fat reserves which is good in its own right) but you will not be able to sustain it long term because there are so many components to meat that are not called vitamins (like creatine) that more and more they are discovering should probably be considered so.
I've seen first hand what it does to people. My sister became moody, agitated, near emaciated, constantly hangry, constantly eating, incredibly weak, and much less quick or sharp mentally than she had been before.
For your own sake don't go vegan.
>tfw my mom wasn't obsessed with what she ate while I was in her womb
seriously fuck people who think having kids is something you just do, we live in a abundantly scientific world, have been for many years now, and people still don't put research into every little thing they do. You can call it autism, I call it striving for perfection, I lift with perfection, I eat with perfection, I study and socialise with perfection. Fuck this comformist as shit and complacent for no reason society, I swear now to you all I will attain the status of a God on my own behalf, regardless of the shitty chances I might've been given on birth/throughout growth. I'm gonna fucking make it
I guess what you mean to say is that healthy foods tend to be satiating. I know someone who eats meat and weighs about 500 pounds. How much is an anecdote worth?
If you starve yourself with any diet you'll lose weight
Huh. This bakery is 5 minutes away from me. Also not a vegan bakery as far as I know.
>how can we save them?
why do you want to save them?
Not all vegans are like that. 90% of my diet is spicy bean and rice burritos, chili pepper flavored ramen, and vegetable stew. Just kinda did it on a whim after watching a few too many videos of animals getting slaughtered.
>no hair nets
I would never risk the possibility of eating one of those syphilis infested strands of moldy hair on those wenches.
>How can we save them?
Make vegetarians mainstream.
Do you guys remember like 10 years ago when vegans were those vegetarians who went crazy and took it to an extream? Restaurants catered for vegetarians but not vegans. Most people would have to ask "does that mean you eat fish?" and their smug superiority got the reaction "fuck off".
Now look. Vegetarians are thought of as baby vegans. Despite the fact that vegetarians are almost always healthier and more normal than vegans. I've never been told by a vego that I'm killing animals, but vegans are the ones that will go on a 10 minute rant about animal rights.
We had a customer ring up the last restaurant I worked at and try to berate the staff because in a menu of like 12 options (split between entree, main and desert) there were was only one full vegan option and one full vego option. Just let that sink in. Vegans have become entitled and think that they're anything but an extream diet.
So my solution is to remind them that veganism is an extream form of vegetarianism. Vegetarians are the normal ones; vegans are the ones taking it to an extream.
Keep in mind that nobody knew what vitamin B12 was 100 years ago. Just because you can fill the gaps created by a vegan diet that we know about doesn't mean you're not choosing a lifestyle that's incompatible with being a human. There's still plenty out there that we don't know and going vegan is observably suboptimal.
Our front teeth are sharp and our back teeth are flat, almost as if we're omnivores. We lose certain vitamins and don't get enough protein without animal products, almost as if we're omnivores.
Truth. Worst part about vegans is it has to be all or nothing. My dad has reduced his meat intake from his diet but still has it occasionally and always gets flak for it from vegans how he is still just as bad as regular meat eaters.
It's the exact same with vegetarians. They get shunned by vegans for still eating some animal products.
Humans evolved eating meat and we aren't going to stop as a society anytime soon. The sooner vegans stop trying to shame people for eating meat and encourage people to eat less meat instead, the better off everyone will be.
I always found it funny when vegans will tell you
>there is a natural source for xyz
>you just have to eat xyz
They always end up eating all kind of fruits and veggies imported from every corner of the world but somehow this is the normal way to eat.
The first thing you should learn about food is that local is best and the faster you get it from the ground the better.
I go out of my way to avoid telling people I'm vegan. Almost every vegan I've ever met was beyond pretentious, many would have a severe identity crisis if anywhere close to 50% of people in their country went vegan because it would strip away their pretence of being special.
I enjoy what I eat and don't have an urge to eat any other way, but I don't really care anymore. For example, next EPA/DHA I'm just going for the highest quality mol. distilled fish oil available since it's almost 1/3 the price of algal.
People who say they're vegan for "ethical reasons" are pathetic. None of you have the least understanding of ethics, you just feel guilty for eating animals.
The only "ethical" explanations I've seen fot veganism all relied on a crappy utilitarian system that for some reason included animals, as though pain was something that actually matters when it comes to morality.
Don’t forget about the totes natural soy milk, tofu and whatever else disgusting shit they eat. No wonder they look like they’re about to die.
My punk scene background allows me to tell that these to ladies are a lost cause just by looking at their shirts.
If you consider environmentalism "ethics", then I think that's a decent reason.
>killing and eating a bird is the same thing as sawwing a humans head off for political purposes
Get cancer
had a veganoid at work who used to just eat biscuits, crisps, instant noodles and shit.
i ate seeds, eggs and fruits and yet i still think he thought he was healthier lol
It's not impossible, your retard sister just has no idea what dietary changes she needed to make once going vegan.
I lived like that for easily 2-3 years
not vegan, but eating an absurdly amount of food while being extremely thin, not in the good way: i was fucking weak
I realized the problem was not the carbs, but the high amounts of fats I was eating
healthy fats are good, but if you eat too much of them (a staple in vegan nutrition) you get insulin resistant
if you are fat, you lose a lot of weight, but if you are already thing, you are literally miserable
don't fall for the avocado, oils and nuts troll, guys
>going to the shop to buy bits of corpse is natural
>meat eaters dont eat junk food
are you getting brainwashed by yourself?
surely people should know these are not arguments against the morality of meat eating, so why would you use it against veganism
id hate to not be aware of how thick iam
>id hate to not be aware of how thick iam
then enjoy your misery
the intent of the post is pointing out that eating faux-meat and industrial protein powders, as vegans do, is not healthy, while they think it is
neither is eating pastries, even if they are vegan
add wasting money
add preaching their lifestyle like they are in a cult