AF Spec Ops

What's your opinion on the USAF PJ/CCT/SOW's workout plan?

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>military fitness
It’s just running, swimming, and pushups. I don’t get why everyone thinks military = good. Like any government product, it will always be “just barely above minimum quality”.

It’ll get you prepared for selection if that’s what you’re going for. However, be aware that if you’re going PJ the hardest stuff will be in the pool, and in the CCT pipeline you have to be able to ruck.

Air Force is babies.

jesus mustache man needs to unfuck his beret and put his fucking gun down

PJ selection is arguably harder than BUD/S, just an FYI

It's not great, but it's well rounded. Just looking at this, they want you running about 3mi in 21 minutes, swimming 2.5km in an unknown time, and 20 pull ups, 40 dips, and 40 diamond push ups, etc just to be ready for the selection process. None of these are really amazing by themselves, but I can't think of a lot of people able to do it all. You tend to get runners who are twigs and can't lift for shit, maybe can pull 2-3 pull ups if they dig deep (mostly because they are like 135lbs wet), or that they can lift, but nearly die trying to run a sub 9 minute mile.

This. I'm a reservist (yes, I know the reserves ain't shit compared to reg force, blah blah blah), and I train with reg force guys regularly. They're lean, but most of them squat around two plates and bench about two plates. Many of them don't have visible abs and most haven't improved their lifts in years.

You have to be strong enough and have enough endurance to ace PT tests and get through ruck marches. Most of the publicized training regimens that units and militaries put out are literally a form of propaganda to make they seem super fit to the enemy (and seem cool to the general public). They neglect to mention that many of these guys subsist on cheetos and rockstar energy drinks and basically sleep when not on duty. My recruiter literally pulled to the side of the road and slept one time while driving to a MEPS.

Military guys (particularly infantry) are tough motherfuckers. Their fitness regimens are in no way optimized however, even for military purposes.

That's why it's called fitness. Lifting isn't doesn't make you fit.

Different units have different standards though. I was Army and some units were fine with you getting a 60 pft, while others considered anything less than a 90 a "failure" and you got some kind of remedial action, or lost privileges until you came back up to speed. Being able to rock out 90-100+ on the pft is pretty close to where some of the entry requirements are for SF candidacy, I don't really think there's much propaganda involved. I'm sure with some of the classified training elements of SF, there is a propaganda element, like the rumor I always heard about them being allowed to break one bone in the PoW training for SEAL's etc.. But there isn't any kind of insane ability like "SF guys have to squat bodyweight x3, do x weight farmers walks, run a sub 6 minute mile, 100 pull ups in a row, etc"

From what my friends and colleagues say, the swim is what gets AF SOF guys in training the most. Be able to not only ace the PAST, but be able to do multiple PASTs in a row without fail.
Good luck, bro.

I don't get why everyone thinks fitness = lifting.

This actually isn’t true.

lmao @ the absolute state of the chair force

>lifting isn't doesn't make you fit

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>can't run fast or far
>can't swim
>gets gassed over an ounce of cardio
>pull ups are probably sub ten
Wew Lad you're right spec ops should only hire body builders.

In terms of attrition it absolutely is true. The pt is about the same
>40 miles a week running
>Cali
>swims
>more rucking (compared to phase 1)
Plus they have to cram 4 years of college up their ass in the span of six months
Cct attrition is 95plus
Buds is usually 75 80 percent attrition

go swab some decks you salty sailors

]PJs actually do shit though, unlike the rest of the chair force

There was a SEAL who later became a PJ who said that PJ indoc was definitely harder than BUD/S, Air Force spec ops is no joke

I was reacting to your grammar you dumbo, but sure, while being a powerlifter or bodybuilder doesn't prepare you adequately for special forces, I don't understand where this lifting=bodybuilding mem comes from. I am willing to bet the vast majority of special forces guys lift.

Lifting comes more into play after selection.
Selection for spec ops is literally all cardio and calisthenics, however once you get in the field, strength becomes MUCH more important.
Due to helicopters and ATVs/dirtbikes, spec ops guys rarely have to run more than 10km at a time in the field.
Also, if your squadmate is 200lbs and is carrying 50lbs of gear, that's 250 lbs you have to carry if he gets hit.
An extra 15 lbs of muscle could be the difference between you squatting 225 and you squatting 315.
You don't want a bodybuilder physique, but you want kind of a "beefy mountaineer" build.
This is why the majority of spec ops guys are on roids, because it's almost impossible to operate at a high tempo while eating maybe one 800 calorie MRE a day and still being able to stay that strong and muscular.
>t. Know a few SEALs irl

is CCT = PJ?

>busting your ass to become a high speed cool guy
>becoming a well-armed EMT instead of a snake-eating, door-kicking, baby-slaying commando

I respect the hell out of what they do and the work they put in, but hell if I understand the appeal.

>PJs: When you're a pacifist but still want to be high speed

If this thread is still up I’ll explain why this isn’t true.
“No”

No. CCT is Combat Controller, or the guy inserted with the team and calls in airstrikes/manages the aircraft in the battlespace. PJs were originally created to solely rescue downed aircrew, but now they've expanded to be included in SOF teams or go into combat to provide more intense battlefield medical care than normal medics can provide.
Doing shit like going behind enemy lines to rescue downed aircrew or doing a blood transfusion in combat is no joke.

Spec Ops require an insane amount of cardio and muscular endurance. What's interesting, though, is you can be the fittest person alive and not make it through selection if you don't have the mental toughness to persevere through inhuman levels of stress. They push you beyond limits you never would've conceived of. You may think you're prepared and ready but they'll show you what it means to hurt, to truly fucking hurt so badly physically and mentally that the only way to push on is through sheer, godly will power.
>t. washed out of SFAS with goal of being a ranger
If anyone is curious I dropped out during a 48 hour ruck march. We had been doing PT nonstop for 24 hours (calisthenics intermixed with olympic lifting and cardio) before it began. About 20 hours into the march I simply lost the will the continue. I didn't want it badly enough. The physical pain, although more than anything I've ever experienced, didn't hold a candle to the mental anguish you go through trying to push through the pain. Special forces are no joke, don't underestimate just how fucking tough they are.

>>t. washed out of SFAS with goal of being a ranger
this doesnt make any sense

That's probably why he didn't cut it honestly. Why not just get an op40 and make it through ranger school and rasp?

Why try out for selection if you have no intention of being a green beret? Sounds like you could have made it, just wasn't mentally focused.

I hope to be a PJ. Any tips?

i think he was just shitposting user
be in great shape and dont be a pussy
If you go ove to k and meg we just remade the Op and theres a whole paste bin with all the prep programs in it

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Thank you senpai
The only area I'm really confident in is pull-ups I can do plenty of those, and I started running and swimming more.
Even starting loading up my backpack with weights and going around the trail near my house

Ya seriously in the OP template is the prep guide section and all the official SOF prep programs are in there.

On the bright side, maybe it's a good thing he never became SF, he could have ended up getting teamkilled by DEVGRU

the world holds its breath

>thinks air force special forces are just above minimums
There are thousands of seals, thousands of green berets... there are about 150 pararescue. This is not your average CoD kid straight out of high school.

>aruguably
No, the rest of spec ops calls PJ training "superman school."

>No, the rest of spec ops calls PJ training "superman school."
source?
its because the AF has lower quality recruits. That isnt a joke think about it. If youre a stud youre gonna be a ranger or seal. Most people havent even heard of PJs but seals have been getting shilled non stop in the media. If you watch the surviving the cut episode on PJs they show the recruits and they seriously all look like holocaust surviviors/r9k users.

How does MARSOC/Recon compare to SEALs, Rangers, PJs, SF, etc.?

It's built for endurance. A lot of the running and courses for S.O.G.s or S.F. is done with gear on so it's not the same as you just jogging with a t shirt and shorts.

They build you for endurance and long haul. You choose to take it above and beyond. The elite forces are strong people. The reg forces is nothing spectacular but above average for sure.

They all have their roles. Focus more on what you would enjoy.
I haven't heard much great things about the SEALs honestly. They are obviously an S.O.G. But it seems like many regarded them as the frat S.O.G. during the whole 07 hubub.

But that's word of mouth from some Rangers so how much is true and how much is sass I don't know. Never seen them in action and I feel the media attention they garner makes some people salty.

stop saying SOG you larper is SOF.
never go marines

>never go marine
why? is it a service full of fuck boys?

It's almost like bodybuilding is not great for overall fitness or something...
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Indoc is much harder than most selection. Those attrition rates are super low. It's all drive. When you ask army SOF guys who are cool, they like TACP and CCT. When you ask air force guys who are cool, they like PJ and CCT more.

Meant for

>fuck boys?
dont use fb words here please
its cause theres no reason to. Anything they have another branch has a better version of.

Most marines are cool. But damn, there are some MUUUUHHHHRRRINNNES out there nah I'm sayin. Probably the swolest branch on average.

The marines are the proudest, dumbest, most disciplined and the toughest imo.

A cuck routine for cuck soldier bois

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Every line unit I've ever been in, 270 is standard. Was an Infantryfag though so that's why.
And I played the high speed game, the one bone thing is dislocation, not breaking anymore, at least Army wise. When it's over they'll literally just pop it back in place and send you to the next phase in the pipeline.

this pic makes me sad, it conveys a harsh reality

They don't pick the strongest for spec ops. You just have to be fit enough. The hard part is being mentally good enough, that is something you cannot train easily. 10% physical 90% mental. You need to think outside the box, have decent street smarts and push personal boundaries etc. Most importantly you must NEVER give up.

What kind of training do the taliban go through? It must be pretty good considering they beat the soviets, british, and americans

>goat squats 5x5
>PPK + ammo sprints
>running up a mountain with 15 RPG rockets in your backpack

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Oof

>join the army for some larper fantasy after jerking off to black hawk down
>get legs blown off, come home with ptsd
>the wife you married for tax purposes has someone else's kid
What's the moral of the story boys

You know it goes both ways right? We all fucked girls while deployed, local whores too.

user, that was a goat. You fucked a goat.

I never did. I remained faithful to my wife because I genuinely loved her but she did not.

shouldnt have married a shit woman than mate

I've been wanting to know this for a long time too, but googling it would put me on all the possible watchlists I'm not on already.

UBER-CHAD TIER: DEVGRU and Del-[REDACTED]
Chad tier: SEALs and Rangers
Oldfag Chad tier: CIA SAD/SOG
Crayon eater/Window licker tier: MARSOC
Autismo tier: Green Berets, PJs, and CCTs

very sad

Kind of relevant to military Jow Forums. About to join the marine reserves. I’m a bit on the tubbier side. Am I gonna make it?

Every guy I know that is a freak by military standards hit the weights hard, Cali only gets you so far with strength.

MTI wrote an article on the carry over of certain lifts and their carry over to rucking (something that you will do heaps).

"Interesting, relative upper body strength (measured by bench press 1RM divided by body weight) was almost perfectly correlated with ruck performance while relative lower body strength (measured by front squat 1RM divided by body weight) had the lowest correlation. "
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Cali will do little to help you with rucking except for core conditioning (From my experience).

no, lose weight first

If you go into boot camp fat, EVERYONE will hate you when you inevitably fuck up repeatedly in PT.

if your fat and un-athletic you're probably going to get the shit beat out of you for not pulling your weight. if your fat but benching 275 and are basically an ape man you'll be fine. if they feel they can take you without much resistance they will. one tubby dude that was just useless took an improvised nunchuck (padlock in a sock) to his knee and was discharged. i also know people that had to get waivers for being overweight, but were still very strong, that basically ran the place. so, id hit the gym buddy, but you're also joining the reserves so none of this actually matters because you aren't going to be a soldier anyways pussy.

because men try out to be SEALs and nerdy faggots all want to be PJs anold with everyone else in the chair force so no wonder their attrition is high, because they have garbage recruits trying out.

>washed out because walking is hard
typical ranger wanna be.

who the fuck wants to be a ranger anyways? whats so appealing about walking 10 miles up a mountain and then getting shot?

>I DON'T WANT TO BE NO GREEN BERET
>THEY ONLY PT ONCE A DAY
>I DON'T WANNA BE NO AIRBORNE RANGER
>I WANNA LIVE A LIFE OF DANGER
>I DON'T WANNA BE NO FAG RECON
>I WANNA STAY TILL THE JOB IS DONE
>I WANNA BE A SEAL TEAM MEMBER

Yeah because I’m not done with college, and want to try ocs in a few years. My recruiter said the next boot camp for reserves is in December, so I basically have 9 months. He does pt Monday Wednesday, and 2nd Saturday of every month. I weight 190 at 5’6”.
5x5 squat 200,
5x5 bench 100,
5x5 ohp 85,
5x5 deadlift 250,
28min 3 mile.

LMAO 2LTs are less respected than a lance corporal. especially a manlet lieutenant. you better goddamn listen to every single thing your e-4s and above say. literally all you will do is be their bitch, and then repeat what they told you back to the platoon. you'll absolutely have no say in anything, and zero respect from anyone.

Living in a harsh environment since birth, religious fanaticism, knowing the ins and outs of the terrain like the back of their hands, and bonus fighting strength for wanting to defend their homeland.

>AAAAAYY MUHREEN CORPS
>BUUUULET SPONGE MUHREEN CORPS
>PICK UP YOUR KITS AND RUN WITH ME

You’re just mad because you’re too dumb to school.

I’d say this program is decent. But like some others have said, there is absolutely a need for some lifts when you go to these schools. For example, upper body strength is generally neglected pretty hard when guys train because they’re focused so much on cardio/cali. Cali only gets you so far when it comes to actual strength because you can be a god at doing push-ups and pull-ups, but when it comes to doing things like log exercises, you’re going to fail hard.
In my opinion, I’d do this program yes. BUT, I’d also add lifting 5x a week in there too. 5x5 of the compound lifts as well as some oly lifting will set you up perfectly. But you’ll have to be ready to workout close to 3hrs a day. That’s something that people severely underestimate. When you’re in these schools, you’re working out pretty much all day every day, so that’s what you have to condition your body for.

t. Went to buds, didn’t pass, but went.

>too dumb to rhyme
yep typical marines
all you have to do to pass the marines asvab is fill in all the bubbles with less than 4 spilling out of the lines.

My GS, MC, and EI combined was 225

Also you're 5'6'' lol

Real talk though, I’m in afghan right now, and when we climb some mountains they get pretty fucking intense. Most of the serious mountains out here get super steep at the top to where you’re basically bouldering your way up with full kit on. Just to climb maybe 2000ft, guys are taking 5-6 breaks and it takes almost an hour. But then, after you get to the very top and your dead fucking exhausted, you’ll see an abandoned afghan fighting position up there... like those guys just run up and down what we just did on the regular

what rate did you get after you got put up for re-designation?

Only the fucking gayest rate in the Navy, MA.

They don't really beat them. They just make occupying them annoying and costly until they just say fuck it and go home.

You essentially just do the same shit you usually do, but instead of shitposting on Jow Forums you go out at night and plant ied's for lulz and pretend like you don't know shit in the morning.

its gay because of the people that try to land that rate when they're enlisting are complete faggots. i at least respect you for trying to be a seal and then just ending up there. you seem like the cool guy that would never search me if i brought you a chicken sandwich when i came back from leave

Lol I don’t even know what that means. But I’ve been fat all my life and it’s my fault. I treat my body like shit, I get it. If it were you, would you give yourself more time before enlisting? I’m also considering taking time to stop being a fat fuck, and getting my degree before enlisting as active duty e-2. Because officer does seem pretty dumb. Would be cool to have lessers salute me tho.

>this program is intended to prepare candidates for the intense demands of ..... training pipelines
This is to make you better at the specific shit they make you do in training. Good if you want to join the military, but if you are a civilian trying to get fitter and stronger there are definitely better programs out there.

fuark that swimming shit looks hard

>Would be cool to have lessers salute me tho.
trust me they wont.
yes i would take more time to enlist. all of your buddies will begin to resent and hate you if you aren't pulling your weight. you should be able to do at least 10 pull ups before you sign any paper.

>28min 3 mile.

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You're allowed to say your piece it's the weekend you fucking toon. The big boys will be back on Tuesday so make sure everything is cleaned.

I only stood gate for 3months before I got switched to boats. But those 3 months I didn’t care at all. There were always a few 2nd classes that would take gate Guard so fucking serious, like they were fighting isis everyday. Those are the dudes that made the job hell

>kneels toward Mecca 5x/day
God is on their side

Not this fucking fresh reservist mentality again.

explain to me what this means so i can embarrass you

I really want to cross train to CCT after my initial natty guard enlistment