*misinterprets cherry picked scientific studies*

Please, only scientific journals that are peer reviewed.

>Sun is a class one carcinogen.
>Class one means there is strong evidence that it can cause cancer. It tells you nothing about the risk.
I hope you are aware that sun exposure causes a ton of cancer cases each year. Doctors recommend against any sun exposure that isn't absolutely necessary for you, and even then you should be wearing sunscreen.

Anyways, enjoy sharing your anecdotes that supposedly disprove veganism and cancer and probably global warming too, I dont know what it is with you folks, maybe you lie because you are so insecure with your lifestyle that you think you'll try to drag down others with you on internet forums.

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So why don´t you provide me with some proof that is peer review?

>makes another shitposting thread
>is a retarded newfag who uses **

>WHO also says cell phones cause cancer
>giving a shit

To be fair in all of medicin you talk about a percentage increase/decrease of risk, that's just how it works.

Start with this review, on high fat and insulin resistance. i.e the main crux of what the health

academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/86/5/1316/4651048

How is it that the one thing that gives us life also gives us cancer

So what about lean fish or chicken once every few weeks?
Not processed red meat, or high fat or deep fried meats.

This just says that its bad to be fat, something that I think we all can agree on. I mean it focus on fat, and not diets.

what is the everloveing fuck are you talking about?
can you read?
it tells you nothing about risk

what the health argues that consumption of fat not sugar causes diabetes by increases intramyocellular fat. That is patently false.

Here's the thing - why bother? Why smoke a cigarette every few weeks? there is literally no point to eating animal protein. to prepare meat you cover it in all sorts of oils and salt anyways. refined garbage. no nutritional value. I always keep a ton of frozen peas in my freezer because in terms of macros they are half carbohydrate (lots of fiber) and half protein. delicious too. I prefer eating as many peas as I want over eating a slice of turkey breast loaded with carcinogens and salt.

>no nutritional value in animal protein
today i will remind them

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That's a weird study, low-fat is 36% and high fat is 44% and the people have a massive divide in BMI and in have all shitty LDL levels.

Low fat should be more like 10% and BMI / blood lipid levels have to be accounted for otherwise the results are pretty meaningless.

Wow, nice source. Convincing argument. Wise man. Are you a medical doctor? Oh, you're something even better? An anonymous internet forum fat fuck? Oh awesome. I'll start eating meat right away, even though just one serving raises your risk of cancer by 50%
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4549221/
Firstly you don't consume liver raw, you cook it in all sorts of unhealthy oils. Secondly, animal protein is bad for the body.
youtube.com/watch?v=mHYFOJBU434

There are mechanisms that say dietary fat can cause insulin resistence. It's still not clear but it's there and as plausible as the other theories. Main thing is usually overconsumption, you can eat a mainly refined carbs diet and not get T2 if you stay lean.

Are those things really so bad?

I'm talking:
>Not processed at all
>Not factory farmed
>Not high-mercury category fish
>No oil or salt
>Not charcoaled

nice source

>main thing is usually overconsumption, you can eat a mainly refined carbs diet and not get T2 if you stay lean.

total conjecture

>raises your risk of cancer by 50%
can you read?
also no correction for BMI = shit

>total conjecture
Ah I see you're just baiting people. Have fun kid. If not there's ton of evidence about white rice diets curing diabetus by caloric restriction.

who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

learn to read you illiterate retard

>I went vegan for two weeks and healed all my ailments!!!

Not even exaggerating. This film was ridiculous

white rice is hardly a refined carb.
all evidence suggests that caloric restriction improves biomarkers for T2 irregardless of diet type

neck yer sen

Look, I thought going vegan was going to be difficult for me but it wasn't at all. Here at college our dining hall rarely has healthier cuts of meat anyways so it was easy to give up.
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK216504/
> Figures reported for the incidence of E. coli contamination range from 97% for pig carcasses (Walton, 1971), to 73% for beef carcasses (Walton, 1971), and to 81% for chicken carcasses (Linton et al., in press).
>youtube.com/watch?v=YHBPpv01n-M
I see that you are considering switching from one type of meat to the other, but they are all really the same when you consider the alternative, plant foods, are superior and not grossly contaminated with fecal bacteria. Even if they were not contaminated, which they are, animal protein is simply not good for the human body and gets into your bloodstream causing a host of issues. Causes diabetes.
>academic.oup.com/cdn/article/1/4/e000299/4555135
High intakes of total and animal protein are associated with the risk of type 2 diabetes (T2D).
Total and animal protein intakes and the AP intake ratio were positively associated with HOMA-IR in adults with relatively a low intake of animal protein and a high consumption of plant protein.
Are you okay?
>In the case of processed meat, this classification is based on sufficient evidence from epidemiological studies that eating processed meat causes colorectal cancer.
this proves my point.

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That's literally what I said you massive retard. Also white rice is very much refined in 90% of cases.

While I agree it does not disprove the benefits of going on an plant based diet.

youtube.com/watch?v=dAesmS2jCVU

high fat diets at caloric restriction improve biomarkers for t2.

ergo, what the health is literally lying by saying fat causes t2

That's not how logic works.

e.coli food poisoning is most common in lettuce.
KEK

it's patently false to present meat consumption as being the same risk as smoking

>patently
I see little Lucas learned a new word.

>e.coli food poisoning is most common in lettuce.
I don't eat really eat lettuce so that's not a problem, also, lettuce is free of animal proteins which can enter the bloodstream and cause insulin resistance (i.e. diabetes).
>it's patently false to present meat consumption as being the same risk as smoking
You keep using this phrase, buddy, I'm not sure if english is your first language, or maybe it is and you're still learning to speak it, but not once have you provided a source to give evidence for your claims.

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>smoking relative risk of cancer is 4.6
citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.455.9461&rep=rep1&type=pdf

>red meat consumption is 1.24 (colorectal only, other cancers have a lower RR)
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ijc.10126
total meat consumption no linked to CRC

McDougall is a hack though. Right about a couple things but actually following him is stupid.

therefore, smoking carries a 460% of cancer total cancer, red meat is

>meat increases heart disease risk by 100%
>0.01% -> 0.02%
>being dyel vegan because of this

see, someone who actually understands relative risk
BASED

I went vegan for a few months and my digestive issues went away and i did start feeling more energetic.

There's gotta be a middle ground though.

did you ever think its because you started eating more fruits and veg and wholefoods and less refined shit?

By that logic you might as well start roiding, drinking, smoking and other kinds of retarded shit because the absolute risk is always some

>About 610,000 people die of heart disease in the United States every year–that's 1 in every 4 deaths.
cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

Certainly possible. I think that vegans have a point about the dangers of meat but that it has more to do with the modern meat industry than meat in general.

>avoid the sun at all costs
>get sun to increase vitamin D, for skin eye and hair health, and to help with depression
what do doctors mean by this

Life gives you cancer, everything that speeds up metabolism (i.e. life ((e.g. sun or really any food)) increases cancer risk.

>if you eat meat you have to eat the modern american diet
LOL

if you don't eat enough antioxidant, avoid sun
vegans eat fuckton of antioxidant so they can be under the sun longer

They mean it would be ideal to use sunblocker whenever the sun is out.

VEGANS BTFO

>antioxidants dont exist in meat

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>unironically being this retarded
no it doesn't
furthermore meat is pro oxidant and depletes your antioxidant store

That much is pretty correct though. Google the massive antioxidant analysis studies, animal products score extremely low and with a very low max and median as well.

>vitamin C isn't an anitoxidant
>glutathione isn't an antioxidant
>taurine isn't an antioxidant

unless you extract those substances out into supplement, no meat is not antioxidant

fruit isn't an anitoxidant either you moron

Even liver is very low in C and E which are the primary antioxidant vitamins. The other 2 score pretty low.

>you cook it in all sorts of unhealthy oils
Project more. Are you trying to tell me you don't even use olive oil.

because a fruit is more antioxidant and meat is more pro oxidant

>phylates and oxalates limit antioxidant absorption
>insulin spikes limit anitoxidant absorption
Prove to me that fruit delivers more antioxidants in vivo

>literally every study on antioxidants ever conducted

conjecture, adhominem, reducto ab absurdum

>fruit sugar spike insulin
kys

>I accept any homemade video, anecdote or internet comments if they support my position.
>I ask for multiple peer reviewed studies for anything that opposes my position.

what is selection bias

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28609132
to prove someone's inability to google is not something to be proud of

I found going vegan to be easy too, have been for almost 3 years now.

>Fecal bacteria
Not too worried, there's potential for even more pathogens on a lot meat due to farm/packaging conditions. There's also plenty of E. coli, Lysteria, etc. on greens/herbs and most fruit/veg grown near ground level especially with overhead sprinklers.
People die from both. Would that stop me eating spinach, melons or strawberries? No, so it's a moot point.

>Considering switching // plant protein
For the records, I've been fine with plant protein.
I'd still be consuming plant protein for the majority (roughly 98%) so this is largely a moot point, but the only two issues I can see with plant protein are:
A. Eating large volumes to get it from a lot of foods (even when it's lentils/beans/split peas/tempeh/edamame/etc.) - I don't have too much of a problem with this except that it gets tedious sometimes.
B. Bioavailability. Now apparently whey is the highest around at 99% and the best of the plant proteins are at around 80%.
Furthermore, limiting sources and repeatedly consuming them can further reduce bioavailability (this can be remedied by switching up meals every week so a non-issue). However, this wasn't accounting for digestive enzymes, etc. and I'd be inclined (bro-science reasoning) to believe bioavailability might go up if you're "used to" eating a certain protein. I still don't see it being at the high points of 95% or more.

>Animal protein // diabetes
So both the high fats and animal proteins cause diabetes?
Yes seems there's an effect >academic.oup.com/cdn/article/1/4/e000299/4555135
Lowest AP ratio was 0.4, I would imagine eating fish once every few weeks would make 0.04
At the risk of sounding rhetorical, aren't the biggest risk factors (apart from genetics) BMI, activity level, feeding frequency? If not then shouldn't endless vegan candy be risk-free?
I also fast regularly, partly for the positive effects on insulin sensitivity.

fructose and sucrose do, to a lesser extent that glucose though

You didn't even understand his fucking question.|

whole fruit reduce insulin spikes so much so adding fruit (extra sugar) to sugary drink causes lower insulin spikes than the sugary drinks alone and no insulin crash either
could be the fiber, phytochemicals, polyphenols

wow user you really have 0 (zero) reading comprehension

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maybe read the abstract and not just the title?

>maybe read the abstract
vegan science lmao

>waste time to read in details about something so well known to be true
uninformed meatcuck

this is why you'll never know about deep nutrition

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>literally eat shit
pcrm.org/health/health-topics/fecal-soup

If i went vegan where would the majority of my protein come from? Would like to hit at least 100g per day

semen

Beans, seeds (pumpkin seeds especially), nuts, seitan, tofu(inb4 it raises estrogen. It doesn't.). If you make your own seitan its way cheaper than buying pre-made stuff. Beans are super cheap and so are beans.

>Beans are super cheap and so are beans
Hmm...

mexicans are whore

>brb importing 12 gorillion plants from all corners of the earth just so I don't get sick
Truly the most natural and healthy way to live.

>all vegans are sick
>destroy the planet to grow plants containing protein feed it to animals and eat the animals

>destroy the planet
Why do vegans say this type of stupid shit?

You being alive in the west if far more damaging than meat.

nothing is more destructive than meat consumption prove me wrong protip you can't

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FYI agriculture includes cow farming

this desu

I bet the impact is not even half that of moving exotic plants half the world away for some hipster prick.

In the year 2000, mexico had 1730 acres of greenhouses.

As of 2016 they had 58,070 acres of greenhouses.

But we have to have our organic non-gmo squash year round user.