Ugly to Good Looking

>newfound hate for loner fags

You were in their shoes once, why don't you help them out

Because, they are lazy and no matter how much I'd try it would be pointless. Nothing can help them except themselves, I know this from my own experience. People tried to help me out in the past and I never listened because I was arrogant and I thought they were the weird ones. I despise who I was.

I didn't expect or think that being very above average looking would be like a game-breaking glitch though.

I understand now why before I'd see all these gorgeous people just being beach bums, backpacking around places, or just settling into small time life.

I think a huge part of the ambition that drove me before to get into a top-tier university, pledge a frat, improve social skills etc was to get adoration from girls and respect from guys. But it automatically doesn't matter now in most situations, people just halo effect all of the best qualities onto good looking people.

I knew life wasn't fair, but I didn't understand how unfair it is for looks. There's a glass ceiling to how you're viewed depending on how you look. Almost no matter what you do, there's an invisible limit how much people like and respect you depending on how good looking you are.

And on the flipside, there's a glass floor for good looking people. No matter how useless, autistic, or even a genuinely bad person you are, there's a floor of respect and liking that you won't drop below in everyone's eyes because of your looks.

I can't believe my own mother was treating me based on that. I didn't think it was possible that every single relationship would be THIS shallow. But I'm proven wrong

Holy shit I can relate so much. Although I don't get huge smiles from girls and have them constantly paying attention to me; ever since I lost weight, started lifting, and looks maxed, I get mires every day everywhere. The only thing that sucks is that I'm too autistic to act on any of it because I grew up being a social outcast.

thanks for this reminder of how good the aesthetic life is, gonna work hard to drop this last 40 lbs for july

You know where I'm coming from, but I lost my bitterness and desire for revenge and such. If a girl is taken I just ignore her and give her 0 attention, I know how bad it feels to have a girl that you like be clearly more interested in another guy so I don't do that to anyone.

I don't know what it's like to be cheated on because I've never had a girlfriend. Before no girl would give me the time of day, and now I get enough validation from women everywhere that I honestly don't even bother fucking them - let alone getting in a relationship. I spent the first 2 decades of my life going to sleep alone and waking up alone, spending 95% of my waking time alone and by myself. The whole time I wished I was always being social and sleeping with women, but now that I can I realise that being a loner has become part of my personality. I'd rather just sit around on a laptop all day, read a fiction book at night, and spend my morning in bed. I used to think that I was a loser for that lifestyle, but that's because I was essentially forced into it. Now that I have a choice, I'd honestly just prefer to be by myself all day.

Interesting thread here. This is what I'm after but I'll still say I'm only halfway there yet already noticing changes in the way I interact with anyone.

It feels like I'm dead inside. The revelation of truth was so harsh that it ruined me. Any other copes of trying to act in a certain way or pretending to be nice is disgusting. Everyone is self-centered and everyone plays the "status" game- you lord over people under you and submit to people above you. All that matters is being Chad, achieving self-value and self-esteem. I would pity the low value betas that are fooled by society and their own ratinalizations to martyr their lives and pursuit of happiness for virtue-signaling points, but I can't.

I have no friends anymore. I was always good to them but slowly but surely everyone confirmed my theories. I feel just as alone as I ever did, but instead of a twig floating in the wind, a statue.

The only thing left is to keep going. Be as hot as you can, do what brings you happiness and take whatever you can and then take more, and then die. Nobody else can bring you happiness, only you. Nobody will ever love you for the consciousness that you are, and your feelings. They can only love the value that you bring to the table for them, in one way or another (looks, money, status, experiences, big dick, etc). Some say that's good enough.

I came through a pretty rough patch about a year or two ago and have lost weight in the right places, put muscle on in the right places and am looking/feeling way better about myself.

I've noticed similar situations to OP in that girls are much more openly flirty - almost comically so compared to how things were for me previously - and that average people treat you with more respect. People just get out of my way now, I don't move out of anybody's way. I honestly can't believe some of the shit I get away with now just because I went from being a 7/10 to being a 9/10.

The real thing that seals the deal is my job - I am the CEO of a multinational company that I started with a few other people that has gotten funded and really taken off. When girls hear you're a CEO (not some dork who calls himself one but a highly-paid person in charge of people who actually answers to a board of directors) some of them will get intimidated but many look at you completely differently than some average dude.

In an hour and a half I'm off for a date with a girl who I used to think was way better than me when we initially met a year and a half ago. Now, I'm the attractive one. She asks me out now. A year ago she would take three days to respond to a text, now it's a response within minutes.

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>Now I have jawline, cheekbones

mewing, or jaw surgery?

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I can see where you're coming from and I definitely get you. Although I quit much of my past interests such as gaming and anime, I still on some nights get annoyed by the constant invites of late night hangouts and just decline to enjoy an episode of a favorite show of mine for fun.

Don't even bother with a girlfriend, it's such a pain in the ass that I just ended my last relationship due to constant annoyance in them thinking you're part of their property now that you're "with" them. I only keep friends with benefits to easily get what guys hold relationships for.

Although I have it all now, I don't know what I'm feeling. It's a constant search for something but I don't know what exactly.

Upper jaw expanded via non surgical palate expansion.

I say with no irony that mewing saved me, since I realized that my upper jaw was smaller than it should be. After 2 years of mewing I got some results, so I decided to dump 2 summers worth of income into going to an ortho and getting my shit expanded fully. Hence came the full smile, strong jawline, cheekbones, better under-eye area.

It wasn't 100% responsible for it, but it took me from above average to head-turning.

>Nobody will ever love you for the consciousness that you are, and your feelings. They can only love the value that you bring to the table for them

You got straight at the heart of my post.

I dont get it. How did you get a jaw and cheekbones out of nowhere

I am the opposite.

Started out life incredibly good looking. Athletic, low body fat, PERFECT facial harmony and hunter eyes. Always tanned.

I remember a particular story in high school. I came in one day, and 6 girls in the class had my name written on their arm. They had each been flirting with me since the first day, but now it had ramped up to an insane competition over who I would pick.

I didn't pick any of them. I was on top of the world, loving the attention, the constant flirting and the feeling of being desired.

But this all came to a screeching halt. After about 4 years, my face became increasingly bloated, I stopped growing taller and my hairline receded.

My skeleton seemed to just stop growth at 5'9 with narrow shoulders and wide hips.

My neck became craned forward and I developed yellow/brown bags around my eyes.

By age 20 I was finished. Girls would not talk to me as they once did. They did not smile when making eye contact. They did not laugh when I made jokes. It was like I had a disease. All of the boys in class that I once mogged, now looked down on me, a puffy faced manlet with no hair.

I am now 27 and it's only gotten worse. I am almost bald, my joules sag and my skin is dry and crusted. How cruel to let me experience the bliss of being attractive, then take it away so quickly and without warning.

Also, could you show me how mewing is done and how does that procedure even help? I've seen it here a lot but it seems like no one shows how it's done.

I mean why would you hang out with someone that doesn’t have a positive effect on your life in some way or another?
I understand being angry at superficial desires, but wanting comfort, touch, love, etc from another person is not unreasonable.
Hell you don’t want to hang out with other people because they don’t add any value to your existence

They call these types of men 'Brandon'.
Many people mistake you for Chad, no, you are Alpha Brandon

That's a very narrow minded user. Not everyone is going to be just like you and even if they are they will then certainly be grateful after their transformation takes place and start to relate more to your current point of view. Try and help a guy out every once in a while.

Is it better to have mogged and lost, than to have never mogged at all?

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I do feel that my perspective is definitely not the greatest but I can't bring myself to be any different, it's just who I am. Maybe in the future I will realize a different path and change.

How did you work out which parts of your face needed work?

I went from a 3/10 to a 5/10, the biggest difference has been people having some semblance of respect rather than actively treating me with contempt

>let's accept that I'm 8-9/10 now. No, really, I'm absolutely gorgeous

no, i'd rather not accept your own subjective rating of yourself.

post before/after timestamped pics

Seconded

And you will always remain the beta male of the group because of it. Hating somebody is beneath me, even if they did something awful. Treat everybody with kindness and respect, because you know how being a loner with nobody near you feels. Pick someone up, call a dude who is obviously in a slump to hang out at the bar. Use your looksmaxx to your advantage to help yourself and others. The villain isn't a leader, he is a child of abuse never wanting to grow up. Never steal another guys girl because you will destroy your fellow brethren. Being the alpha male means you are to set an achievable goal, something everyone aspires to be. Chad is the quarterback who has pussy flung at him at all sides, but he helps Richard, the fat aspie, talk to a female and he breaks him out of his shell.

the only reason people idolise that idea of chad is because they're all richards and they want someone more successful to take responsibility for their happiness because they're too shit at it

I don't know that feel. I did get much better looking and I do get lots of stares from girls but not that smiling shit, perhaps because my default expression is not very friendly.
Also that people respecting you more shit only happens if you are socially competent.

Very good point you've made there user, I think I came across as too asshole-ish. I am actually quite kind and helpful. But, at an academic environment it's a competition. I think I will become that sort-of man in my later days where people forget about this petty stuff and competition is in other areas. My best friend from my childhood was a Richard and I think I'm doing quite a good job on turning him around. Not going to let him go down my path.

>Also that people respecting you more shit only happens if you are socially competent.
Not true. If you're socially incompetent and bad looking. people look at you as competent.

If you're really good looking and socially incompetent, people either
1. think it's because you're not interested in them, so they try to impress you
2. think it's sweet and like you for it

>tfw you’re making it.

I’m a late bloomer and starting to rid my baby face. 24 and putting on more weight. Test “feels” high and I carry a greater presence socially in contrast to previous years. Facial hair coming soon, it’ll be interesting to see my final form. Floating at a solid 6/10, hoping I’m 7.5-8 when I make it.

Good luck brother

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I don't know, maybe I always interpret things negatively because of my low self confidence. But There was this really good looking guy at my uni who wasn't very good socially. I didn't notice us being treated much differently.
Also post your faces, everyone can say they're good looking and have delusions of respect

>Upper jaw expanded via non surgical palate expansion.

curious, how much did this cost?

comparable to braces or invisiline?

Sounds like you take absolutely no care of your health.

All of those things are avoidable with exercise and a healthy diet.

I like hanging out with people. Not being judgemental, just having a good time together, laughing and telling jokes, and sharing our stories and feelings that we can connect to each other with, enjoying the company and the moment of being together and maybe doing something together. They don't have to be rich or hot or female or whatever- I know that life is tough and we all gotta start somewhere, and part of enjoying each other's company is knowing that you are both worthless to society or anyone who is exclusively material. It seems those people are very rare though, and the higher status you become, the more impossible to come across those people it becomes.

I tried several times to be FRIENDS with girls I knew but had no real interest in sexually, some ugly and some not so ugly. Tried to connect with them. Big mistake. Every single one thought I was trying to fuck them in a beta mindset type way, and it's embarrassing when automatically they assume a higher status position over you and think they're better than you when I wasn't even into them. Women are dumb vapid cunts, they ONLY see hot alpha guy with value who can add to my value OR ugly beta fag who gives me attention and still adds to my value. I still had this problem with men, but dudes tend to be way cooler. I mean we're on Jow Forums, we instantly connect over our fitness goals and path and failures and etc. Women today are like aliens, their experiences and even depression inducing events are totally different, they are a hollow being playing on easy mode. Even girls that I was like "wow, you've SEEN The Sopranos too?" are just empty husks of insecurity and self-consciousness because men and women are basically different beings on a physical level. They know that if society crumbles, they are defenseless sex objects, but society keeps the dream of attention seeking and value leeching alive.

>I can't believe my own mother was treating me based on that.

Reminds me of that Jow Forums thread where the guy talked about how his mother treated him like garbage until he got his harelip surgically fixed (using his own money).

Life as an uggo/fatty is fucking brutal.

>via non surgical palate expansion.

are you saying you bought an expander? How does that work?

wouldn't your shit just go back to how it was before once you stop wearing it?

I don't get it

Somewhat similar boat for me.

Was overweight but somewhat social for most of my life. Hit 16 years old and become very depressed - put on a cocktail of meds that caused me to put on a ton of weight and made me like a zombie. Social withdrawal got worse as my weight climbed and everything about me deteriorated. Didn't lose the weight until I was 26, so that's about 10 years of my life that I spent as a fat depressed loser. Now I'm 28 years old 179 lbs and 13% body fat - the difference is like night and day. Guys respect me more as you said and I'm no longer invisible to girls. I would say that I went from a 1/10 to a 5/10. My face genetics have never been handsome, but my jawline is highly visible now. What changed is HOW I carry myself, which is why girls seem to notice me now. I don't avoid eye contact, I no longer slouch all the time, my shoulders are pinned back and I puff out my chest. I agree that average or better looks and just looking confident make life A LOT easier.

nice

>Hell you don’t want to hang out with other people because they don’t add any value to your existence

A lot of people here, as low as their value is, are blind to the people below them. They don’t realize how many social transactions they never made because they had enough social capital to turn them down.

i suggest all of you do at least a couple hours of research into mike mew on youtube, watching his bigger videos and then the correct swallowing patterns videos, then look at lookism on sluthate and lookism

it's all so confusing, like are your front teeth supposed to be together when you mew?

i have such an overbite that mine don't

google butterfly bite my dude mike talks about it in one of his vids, butterfly bite is the correct bite

are these pasta why do you all type like you're narrating some TV crime reenactment?

thanks

>advising people to go on lookism and sluthate
seems like a bad fucking idea, the mentality they have is that of incels so take their advice with a grain of fucking salt

Nice blog faggot

This is how you help loner fags. I was a loner fag until I got burned and came to the light of reality.
Incel fucks on fit want the world to be one way when it's really another. You can't change reality, but you can learn to thrive within it.
>I never listened because I was arrogant and I thought they were the weird ones
This.

That being said reality is a good bit of fun. It's not inherently wrong, just different.

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how is Jow Forums this gullible

Im fairly knowledgable on my mew stuff, Ive been chewing for months and months, but I worry that I cant mew properly.

When I put my tongue on the roof of my mouth, the sides hang over onto my teeth, so my closed jaw squeezes my tongue and I cant mew properly.

So to me that sounds like I need to expand the palate before I can mew properly, would you agree or am I doing something wrong?

Please tell me how do you mew?!?!?!
Save my life brother.
Explain it in steps.

man hearing how even your parents treat you better after making it, thats fucking hard man, sorry to hear that.
either way yeah, treat people well and find someone who you genuinely love for who they are and marry that person.

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That second paragraph is nothing but truth my friend, spot on

Not entirely correct. You're focusing too much on the social lower aspect of things. People relate to you in accordance of how much they see themselves in you, either good or bad or unknown. You can find people to share a road with, the point is that they are of your kind, your sorts, that they are like you. And even people who are not you can learn from.

It hurts because you think of yourself and others as static and that you are locked in that existence. But the conflict with or against causes growth, mutation and adaption. We are never truly alone, but we are never truly with either. Always a part against that causes growth and individuality, and always a part that is with that causes connection and exchange. That's life, the interaction, and then there's you and the moment in between. The rest is simply what particular road that calls to you and what your kind is, but making that work is on you. Free well and all that.

American women are the biggest meme I’ve encountered
I’ve met 2 or 3 that I genuinely respect and enjoy their company and I was living in the US for college for 4 years. The immigrant girls were overall more fun, ambitious, and positive people to have in my life

Those high-status shit eaters are tough to plow through, but there’s others who feel like you do about friendship. Don’t give up because being isolated sucks, keep trying to find others who will improve your life with their presence and don’t care about improving their status

I thought palate expansion wasn't possible in adults? What procedure was it? I might look into it, my palate could use some more width.

>My own parents treat me way better. We used to fight all the time. We haven't fought in four months.

oh boy oh boy do I know this feel, my mom would yell at me for an hour every morning and my dad would straight up ignore me. Soon as I finished Chadmaxxing the difference in their attitude was night and day

anyone who denies looks matter in everything should be garroted with barbed wire

t. renegade Shepard

love it when we get a blackpilled thread like this on Jow Forums, certainly a better sight than the nogf/fag/general shitposts

i want griffith gf

>finished Chadmaxxing
Can you relate your experiences pls? What things you did and how long it took and what changed and when you decided "ok I have arrived"?

OP how did you expand your palate other than mewing?

tldr version:
>started mewing from 19 years old
>lost the fat (280lbs to 160lbs, dyel I'll fix that soon) (surprisingly I had a nice facial structure underneath it all)
>fashionmaxxed with tasteful clothing like Gandy in his Lucky Brand catalog
>fixed acne, large pores, shitty skin, used hydroquinone and a ton of other stuff to whitemaxx
>used latisse on brows for 2 years to achieve model tier eyebrows
>switched from glasses to contacts, gonna get LASIK soon
>regularly use trimmer to stay hairless since I have gorilla body hair genetics
>fixed poofy, dry hair and got an ivy cut haircut
>wear quality shoes and boots that give me 1 inch boosts, sometimes slip in 1 inch shoe lifts that make me go from 5'11 barefoot to 6'1.5"

globally I'm a 6.5/10 facially speaking, among my fellow ethnics I'm an easy 8 since everyone looks like dogshit, god bless the internet and all it taught me

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Height increasing shoes. You're basicly showing everyone how insecure you are.

t. manlet that doesnt give a shit

back to the pit, scum

Are you Sammy Sosa?

OP, I recommend you to read Psychocybernetics. It was written by a plastic surgeon who dealt with lots of now-beautiful people whobgot mindfucked by the difference in treatment by others

This, everyone notices those

They don't, user. I'm not mong enough to walk around looking like a clown, I got my shoes when I was a fatass and as I shrank down my shoe size went down from US 12 to US 11. Plenty of room for a 1 inch shoelift inside it, have worn these dozens of times people will only notice if you wear massive lifts because then your natural gait looks messed up.

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i relate to alot of this, but people dont smile at me.... im still working on my body though and have a little more to go. also im going through a late puberty growth spurt too (and im at uni now too). its actually wild to catch myself in the mirror, with a different shaped jaw. some days i cant believe its me.

It’s weird isn’t it

it's just autism

>tfw I found some kickass looking grey boots online but dont really wanna buy them because they gave 1,5 inch heels and im 6'6"

pics or gtfo

Book description states otherwise. It says it pertains more toward helping patients who were disappointed with surgery results, so the opposite of the entire thread. The thread deals with how looksmaxxing works so well that it essentially invalidates the entirety of your life prior to it and invalidates any kind of lifestyle or goal or life meaning because you discover that TRULY looking good (something unchangeable in normies' eyes beyond a few superficial things), without makeup or superficial tricks like hairstyle or whatever, is the biggest value and self-worth booster ever. In fact all the effort you put into the superficial shit was entirely worthless and you can now be a slob.

It's hard to describe for people who have not experienced it. It's like all the incel frustration and all of the "huh, silly incels, just be confident and dress well and have a job etc etc" shit was a waste of time. Being alive isn't worth it if you don't achieve this, yet achieving it makes you resent all the unjust suffering you went through.

I fucking resent Sage Northcutt because his entire life was set up for success and good looks and happiness, with the right amount of hard work and lessons taught by his father. I'd like to pretend that going through a lifetime of suffering to achieve the same value he has will be worth it, but it won't because Sage Northcutt has it all and was quoted as saying "I can't remember the last time I wasn't happy", when for most of us that quote would be reversed. It's truly the destination and not the journey that matters.

jesus christ imagine being this fragile

comes with the territory user, just buy it.

>some days i cant believe its me

This. What was the point of everything else before this identity crisis? Was God playing a cruel joke the entire time just to make you suffer? Like fuck, I'm glad it's over but that wasn't cool.

Would anyone be able to tell me my potential if I posted my current pic here? I'm currently obese.

normie cope, I look my best and feel like a million bucks all day long.

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Well you changed user, look at the shit that gets flung at guys now, if you're deliberately trying to hurt white men and not help them at all you're lower than any nigger on earth.

Yeah

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Trust me, none of us give a fuck about politics or race shit. Tyrone can fuck 6/10 white women all he wants, Chad worries about his own shit and gets pussy any time he wants and cucks virgins. You can kill the president and chop my mother's head off and I still won't give a fuck about you and all that bullshit you stressin

m.youtube.com/watch?v=5uQvua2DkDo

i disagree. it made me an extremely strong person, and extremely intelligent. I dont know who'd id be without those experiences that i went through. It was in the midst of the pain, crying, anger, resent for myself that I not only found who i am, who i wanted to be, but i somehow created the energy from my stomach to do it after being so depressed and lazy for so so long. but i dont hate myself for being the way i was, i just didnt know what I know now. going through pain is what made me know what i know now.

I now have the strength to do anything, and I can do absolutely anything I put my mind to, alot of the time i get comments like "woah what a trooper" "i dont know how you do it" when they find out how much I do now, or how much I went through. mega feels good x20

You're still coming off as an asshole. Chad either born or made comes at everything from a place of inner peace. You are not contempt, you are hurting. "It takes one bad day for the hero to become the villain" and you have becoem the villain, my friend. Its not about helping someone because he is your childhood friend. Its about helping someone because he is in need. I helped a 5/10 friend bag a 6/10 chick and her 9/10 friend slept with me because she was trying to get her friend to rebound after a breakup but she was way too closed out. While she was putting back her clothes on she said something that made me realize all of this Brad, Chad and Richard shit. She said "You are genuinly a nice guy, user. We need more people like you. Call me sometimes". I wont call her, first time I saw her she slept with me. Helped me realize that being a genuinly nice guy helps in all aspects in life.

I'd like to believe that, but to me that's just an ego defense mechanism. Yeah, I changed a lot, read a lot, learned a lot, put in a lot of effort for YEARS. But refer to the post a little above that mentions Sage Northcutt. We are just pretending that our past life wasn't a total and utter complete 100% waste of fucking time, but it was. Sage got all the results AND the life lessons because he was groomed for it since birth, AND he got the lifelong happiness to go along with it. It's a crime against humanity to not get that kind of life. Our struggles don't make us better, only equal, but without the happiness and time efficiency of results.

Look up "no true scotsman" and realize your whole post was meaningless

I would have had inner peace from just showing up and fucking that thot. You wanna be bf material for thots thats up to you

>Helped me realize that being a genuinly nice guy helps in all aspects in life.
this is not because you are nice. you found one of the only situation where being nice signals high status instead of low status.

you did an ultimate display of high value by passing up her friend, which clearly displays an abundance mentality.

you did not get to bang her because you were nice, you got to bang her because you unintentionally pulled off a masterful game move.

there is a species of birds, richard dawkins writes about them in one of his books, I believe it is the egoistical gene. the males exhibit acts of altruism (giving away food I believe).

and that gets the males that exhibit this behaviour bird-pussy. but the female birds dont bang them because they are nice birdmales.

the female birds bang them because the ability to give food away is the ultimate display of high value for a bird, which makes them alpha birds and prime partners for mating.

this does not work for humans though.

TL:DR: you got laid because you gamed her really hard

Also had a somewhat similar experience. I was never that ugly since i was always in shape, but i had a couple of other factors that made me into a 5-6/10.
I have some things to add to you OP.
Yeah the difference in how girls treat you is really extreme. From ignoring you to being nervous and awkward when you give them attention without any middleground.
But i don't really notice a lot of changes in how guys treat me. I think when you show some confidence in the way you act and speak, most will listen to you. And being tall helps.

Also i think you overlook how different you act now that you believe you are attractive. Confidence is shown is the most subtle of facial expressions and women pick up on that shit. I noticed a big difference when i tried to stop running around with an autistic death stare.
But yeah life is a lot easier now and no i wont post pics