Honest thoughts on the ketogenic diet?

most cheese is pretty bad, yeah. certainly not all of it though.

No, there is science that ketosis leads to fatty acid oxidation and muscle preservation. The muscle preservation is the advantage.

Here's a study about IF that naturally discusses the results of ketosis with regard to what I just mentioned: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.22065

Jordan Peterson eats nothing but chicken and broccoli

as a cutting diet it never worked for me as well as a caloric deficit with low fat and high carbs does
over the years I've also noticed it's a diet that only DYELs do and recommend

Cheese is one the shittiest byproduct of a an already shitty product (milk). Of course it's garbage

>i'm not white: the post

Lel is it that hard for people to go to the grocery store and read labels?

Solves most health problems, life feels better when you replace carbs with fat as your energy source, I don't give a shit about corn/wheat/potato to begin with.

Obviously trying to invent type 3 dibuttus.

unironically yes

it doesnt work even for that. you'd just lose waterweight. carbs => more water in muscles => better look

keto diets are walking stroke, absolute ridiculous it's the most popular 'weight loss diet' out there :D

>It's a tool that works
>b-but there are other tools that also work!

Where did the above poster claim that it was better than other forms of calorie restriction? It's one of the many means to reach the end, which is calorie restriction. Many people find it to be one of the only (or sometimes only) effective way to induce calorie restriction in their diets. Others will get along fine with other methods.

Are those nobs of butter?

Pretty much how I got my gf to do calorie restriction because the concept is simple to follow. She still eats carbs though, just lowered her count because she can only workout on weekends

Okay bud if your goal is to look like Jordan Peterson, you do that

Why do people invent these fucking retarded gimmicky diets? Just eat clean and exercise and you'll lose weight.
>B-b-b-but
No fuck you, do that. It works. Yeah, you won't lose 6 pounds a week like you'll do on keto. You know what else you won't do? Gain it all back instantly once you get off of keto. Aim to lose like a max of 2lbs a week. Its not fucking hard.
>Its not fast enough!
Yeah, at least the results you see will be permanent though. Provided your fat ass doesn't hop back on the sugary diarrhea after you put the weight off. Which if you're buying into gimmicky diets, you probably will do just that anyway so I'm wasting my time.

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Aw, look, it's retarded.

MCT oil helps out. But start of slow like a teaspoon a day, to a tablespoon.

>be me
> first time using MCT oil. I squirt like a cup into my coffee
>stomach aches and diarrhea
>read online to start slow

Yes goym, buy ((our)) organic meats! They're so much better than our slightly more processed garbage!

I take offense with claims like
>There's science behind the efficacy of ketosis
No. That's misleading.

I myself find Intermittent Fasting to be the easiest way for me to cut, and I've lost over 30kg in 3 different cuts using IF. But I don't go around claiming it's anything more than caloric restriction because it's not.

It's pretty good, lost over 100 pounds on keto
Really destroys the hunger and carb cravings I had
My lipid profile improved dramatically too, so "muh heart disease" is literally a meme

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>No. That's misleading.

Except that it's not. There is science behind the efficacy of ketosis. There is.

Intermittent Fasting works so well because of increased ketones, by the way. The study is linked ITT.

meme

>shitty product (milk)
low calcium boneless shitter detected

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>youtube.com/watch?v=rE2Me074rkU
Ive had that problem before. Never had to shit so hard before in my life.

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>lactose tolerance envy

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>I take offense with claims like

Your offense doesn't matter. There is extensive knowledge and research in how ketosis works due to the fact that it's a process involved in a medically relevant diet (ketogenic diet). One of the well observed consequences or side effects of a ketogenic diet was observed to be weightloss, or being underweight in terms of children. To say that the induction of ketosis isn't a proven effective method of weight loss is just wrong, fuck your offense.

>I myself find

Yeah, you've found a method of caloric restriction that works for you. Weigh loss and underweight children are observed and documented to be directly linked to the ketogenic diet (and thus ketosis), which proves that it is an effective method of inducing weightloss.

Of course, if you have a study where you directly control for calorie intake, all diets will perform equally, though when it comes to effective dieting in the vast majority of people, the most important part of the diet are more towards the "feeling" side. Do they like the food? Do they feel full? Do they feel tired from the calorie restriction? Do they find their diet manageable on a day-to-day basis? The ketogenic diet is a method that is a solution to a lot of these day to day problems.

It's good, but it's not a life-long course of action.

Go on it if you're fat. Once not fat, transition into a low-fat, moderate-carb diet. Lots of exercise.

>low-fat
80s called, want their nutrition advice back

>low fat

aka low T

>low fat

aka

>low energy
>low fertility
>low libido
>low test (or est if female(female))

yes, meat from animals who werent fed literal shit and soy meal is measurably better than meat from animals who were
although if its very lean meat i suppose it wont matter much, but im not a twink and i’d prefer if my animal fats weren’t laden with HRT
fuck off shlomo

Samefag also dumb ass, moderate-low fat intake is perfectly fine

Yes. Just a few hours ago my gf texted me that she found protein bars with 800 calories in them. I asked her to list all the macros and told her that's only 200 calories. She was reading the kilojoules to me and thought that's what calories were.

> moderate-low fat intake is perfectly fine

no.

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>800 calories in them
Some protein bars would those be, it's almost lard

The only animal products that are "safe" to eat is white meat. You're supposed to avoid dairy, eggs, red meat, and pretty much every fish besides sardines.

Being afraid of carbs isn't masculine.

you're really reaching with this one, the post made no such claims
High intake of saturated/trans fat = bad
Meat and cheese are okay
you're fucking stupid and probably fat

this
you have to live it

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I have no arguments, not was I apart of it at any time. I just want to you guys to post your bodies

This is what soymales actually believe

avoid all good (bioavailable) sources of
>iron
>b12
>vitamin D
>zinc
>magnesium (every plant with magnesium is loaded with oxalates and other anti-nutrients that directly interfere with magnesium uptake)
>sat fats (enjoy your low test)
>k2
>vit A
>omegas in sufficient amounts and good ratios
>creatine
>protein

>tfw you never hear about keto in real life but read about it on the internet all the time because only on the internet people don't know you're DYEL so ketofags actually feel free to advocate their meme diet on Jow Forums and other web sites

It really is a great fucking diet i can feel the fat shedding little by little and skin becomes much softer

>Living in the fatest time in American history.
>Bagging on the past for being worse.

The absolute state of today's American male.

>it's old so it must be good

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>tfw when some guy who's had pubes for a few weeks now thinks his personal world is so extensive that he possess all worldly knowledge within the realms of the solar system.

This a million times. This board is really detoriating. Jow Forums was known for its fanatical support of conventional wisdom over gimmicky bullshit. All you had to do to lose weight was eating less, all you had to do to gain weight was eating more. Now, you have retards doing fad diets like keto or OMAD all over the place. Why is it so fucking hard to eat less?

Why are you hating on OMAD? It's not even a diet and you don't have to stick to it every day.

>lots of meat and dairy
>keto
No one in this thread knows what keto is

This stupidity.

On Keto you're satiated because protein and fat is more filling than carbs. That's all the fuck there is to it.

So if you eat more protein and fat, you're less likely to fill your piehole with processed carb crap. As a result, you're more likely to eat at a caloric deficit, which with combined with simply exercise, means you lose weight.

Christ you're stupid.

Fat is a better source of energy than carbs and your great grandparents agree.

weedemandreap.com/ancestors-live-bacon-lard-milk/

I've done a keto diet a few times now.

Pros:
>Never feel hungry
>Can ingest more calories
>Strict diet makes it easier to adhere to
>Lose weight easily

Cons:
>Keto flu (until you learn to regulate salt intake)
>Training suffered, lifts tanked
>Can be hard to balance fat ratio of intake
>Acetone breath
>Look deflated

All in all it was fine for fat loss but didn't cut it for me for training. I've adopted a loose paleo diet (meat, taters, and greens) and things have worked out better.

Except the body does not handle carbs and fat in the same way. Keto is a hormonal benefit.

im eating pork chops topped with a buttload of sour cream & onions rn while Jow Forums is telling me i'm gonna die

keto is amazing until you die of congestive heart failure

>the keto diet on steak and leafy greens combined with salmon
>all day
>erry day
Fucking Godlike.
>"but muh money"
Get a job.

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enjoy your heart attack bruh.

misnomer brah, correlation vs. causation re: fat intake.

You can do low-carb you know. The fact that training on keto will be fucking shit probably neuters the satiety factor.

lol got'im.

bro. your LIPID PROFILE GOT BETTER BECAUSE YOU LOST 100 FATASS POUNDS FROM YOUR STUPID FUCKING FAT ASS!

The only cholesterol that's bad is the cholesterol your liver produces after you consume sugar.

sugar is amazing until you die of congestive heart failure

you sound completely retarded. the results are "permanent" no matter how you do them as long as you're not a weak-willed faggot who starts binge eating once he finishes their cut.

you're basically justifying your very slow cut because you have no will power to do anything faster.

>honest thoughts on keto
Do it if you want to lose weight as fast as possible, but realize that ALOT(but not all) of the weight youre losing is water weight.
Also consider it if you dont care about sacrificing gains.

This is one of the BIGGEST things people fail to realize. For every single gram of carbs you eat, your body retains 3x as much water.

so essentially, less carbs = less excess water in your body = flatter physique = muscle catabolism

This is also why fat people complain about "rebounding" and weight gain after their diets. Its because they follow the low carb fad diets then gain all the weight back once they introduce carbs.

JUST COUNT YOUR FUCKING CALORIES AND USE IIFYM.COM IF YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY CALORIES YOURE BURNING FUUUUCKKKKKK

I wonder if al this meat intake will cause increased chance of intestinal cancer?

They sat it's a diet where you get to eat bacon, but it's really a diet where you HAVE to eat bacon.

That's a big difference. It's a giant pain and makes you feel like crap, in the name of a crash diet that can be slightly more effective than some other crash diet, as if any crash diet is a good idea to begin with.

>life feels better
Dude, seriously?

>but realize that ALOT(but not all) of the weight youre losing is water weight
A few kilograms is not a lot

If you go bellow 10 grams of carbs for over 3 days, you enter a state of a euphoria that never leaves.

>but it's really a diet where you HAVE to eat bacon
The absolute state of America, nobody forces you to east shitty processed meat, even on keto

Post your body with timestamp you fucking keto twink. Keto is a great fat loss tool short term, but serves no benefit for most people looking to put on muscle/or preserve muscle on a cut. Carbs are equally as important as protein for building muscle, and keto eliminates both. Fucking stupid to do it long term.

indeed, keto is really just a short term solution for cutting fat. definitely not a long term diet.

>keto eliminates both

>euphoria
Dude... SERIOUSLY what the fuck? Do you have epilepsy or some shit

>implying bacon is shitty
>implying you're going to have anything else to eat when you're literally not eating carbs
Coldcuts and string cheese? Heavy cream and eggs with sucralose? Broccoli. Salad with no tomatoes. Hamburgers with no buns. What the fuck are you talking about. You will run out of shit to eat while on keto and you will eat the fucking bacon, you cuck.

>You will run out of shit to eat while on keto and you will eat the fucking bacon, you cuck.

is this really your mentality?

also wrong, pic related is what i go for

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>being a sissy picky eater
Never ever going to make it

Rice, wheat, potatoes are the pillars of civilization. Always have been always will be.

>keto posters losing brain cells by the minute

I'm doing it right now and I'm hungry as fuck.

Swallowing oils: olive; macadamia; mct; and walnut. Have friend that lives on sour cream and mayo. Keto works, albeit, slowly. eat greens every day with protein on top. Meat, fish or cheese. Love it. come on dudes swallow swallow

I lost all my gains pretty much every time (yes I did re-feed and eat high protein)

>is this really your mentality?
No, it was my experience. Is your argument really "but you forgot SOUR CREAM!"?

>Never ever going to make it
Nobody makes it on keto. Also shit reading comp. Unless you define a "picky eater" as someone who doesn't want to subsist eating 1500kcal of sour cream per day, then sure, call me picky.

There are like 500 ways how to cook pork, chicken, beef, and other meats
Also plenty of vegetables that are allowed
If you can't be arsed to cook your own food and prefer pre cooked garbage instead, that's a different issue altogether

Just fucking /fast/

that's pleb food, kings didn't eat that shit

i'm snacking on sour cream and pork rinds while reading this thread i don't get what's up ur butt

The sweeping generalizations you make indicate you are somewhat socially and culturally inbred.

Lost 40lbs doing keto, lost 60lbs more when I did keto + cico. I'd recommend it to people, but just be careful to stay well hydrated and maybe take a multivitamin.

Oh and also I did cico by itself and I was hungry all the time. On keto I'm less hungry.