For maximum weight loss, and body fitness, which Martial Art is the best...

For maximum weight loss, and body fitness, which Martial Art is the best? I've heard Taichi-Quigong but that sounds like a load of horseshit, I'm thinking maybe Krav Maga, or Jiu Jutsu?

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I honestly don't think the martial arts school matters as much as your teacher and what else you do from a training perspective.

This. Also pic related is often posted on this board. Though, to simplify it a bit: if you're broke, do some Judo and/or some Boxing. If you're not, BJJ seems like a good thing to learn, but keep in mind that fights that go to the ground are dangerous when your opponents friends don't give a shit about a fair fight. To that end, a striking art will be beneficial and, if you have money, Muay Thai seems like both an effective martial art and an incredible for body fitness.

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Going to have to say with absolute certain jiu-jitsu, especially with wearing a Gi, although I've seen people in sweaters at no-Gi classes.

Not only does jiujitsu classes offer live sparring every class in nearly every gym that has it, you will be unbelievably exhausted. Any form of wrestling is fantastic for losing weight, but the Gi is practically a sauna you wear around yourself.
Jiujitsu is also very addictive because you always get to pressure test the techniques you're learning at a near 100%. So you'll probably get a longer lasting hobby out of it.

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krav maga is also horse shit. Boxing is a lot more cardio oriented. Our gym has us doing calisthenics, jump roping, and sprints. If you notice most fighters bodies look dyelish. If you want truly want maximum weight-loss, buy a food scale and count your calories with myfitnesspal + lift weights.

Wanna know the secret to weight loss OP?

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Eat less calories than you burn for a sustained amount of time.

Probably taekwondo, only the very Jow Forums guys are any good in my gym, also try running like crazy not just endurance but also speed

For weight loss and fitness AND effectiveness the answer is the same: a martial art that focuses on full-contact sparring against a fully resisting opponent.

BJJ and boxing will do. Boxing especially, since the entire class is split into rounds with 2 minutes effort, 1 minute max effort and 1 minute rest and everything you do is a motherfucker. Bag, pads, rope, abwork and sparring is will fulfill all your requirements.

Forget that garbage chinese shit

Why everybody seems to hate taekwondo so much ?

>gets head kicked by MT-Chad

yes because Orlando Wiedt did so well against Remco Pardoel back in UFC2. And Pat Smith did so well against Ken Shamrock on UFC1 and Royce Gracie on UFC2.

Oh wait no they didn´t. Orlando got knocked the fuck out from elbows on the ground and Pat had his knee shattered by a heel hook and got his face punched in by Royce from the mount.

If you can´t grapple you will eat shit at the hands of a grappler. They tried it, watch the early UFCs and see what happened to MT chad back then at the hands of a skinny brazilian soiboi

They do not spar like other strikers or grapplers, any sport that doesn't involve both ground and standing is totally suspect in terms of how effective it really is.

So who knows, maybe you're gonna scropion-eagle kick my lights out or perhaps I'm just gonna double leg takedown and choke you? You'll never find out in your taekwondo class.

shit punches, no grappling, point sparring. 90% is bullshit, all that´s good are a couple of power kicks. It´s like paying for a big mac when you´ll only eat the onions.

>using early UFC events as any example
This is when I know you're on thin ice.
Although I agree with you completely about grappling, it's incredibly exhausting and there really aren't any "lucky punches" in the ground.

But Royce arm barring in UFC2 isn't truly representative of BJJ either because people didn't even know how to defend an Americana back then.

These days everyone is a mixture of grappling, boxing and muay thai, with varying degrees.

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Hoplologist (Hoplology=the history and science of human warfare) here.

I recently stumpled upon some books about China in the 1700s and it turns out the Europeans thought the same about Kung Fu as they do now: Wondrous feats of strength but useless in real combat, so why bother.

In fact, any and all non-European martial arts got completely outclassed by what the Europeans did. Japanese, Chinese, SEA, Africa, India, Arabia, doesn't matter. The European soldier or fighting man always reigned supreme (so much, in fact, that looking up the statistics and K/D ratios of, say, the 1580s Catagayan battles, where 40 Spanish fencers defeated over 1000 legit Samurai (it was the only verifiable real battle (not duel) between real fencers and real Samurai) with only 10 losses on the Spanish side seems like reading a cartoon) reigned supreme. It wasn't even close.

So, just do boxing and wrestling? Not quite. The modern track record of boxing and wrestling in street fights is not superior to, say, Karate and Kickboxing, as far as the stats from the police are concerned (see: Black Belt Magazine "KNOCKOUT AND CONCUSSION STATISTICS FOR VIOLENT ENCOUNTERS" and the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia). Fact is that with the "sportification" of martial arts after WW2, a lot of shit we were once able to do got simply lost. A completely different system of training fot introduced and everything before that is basically gone.

A bit like what happened with Kung Fu in China after the Communists (if there was something there worthy of keeping in the first place, that is - the Kuo Min Tang Nationalists famously introduced Sanda/Sanshou as a fighting method, obviously influences by Western Arts).

Basically, we're all shit out of luck and can either do bullshit from Asia or bullshit sports. Unless, I dunno, you're lucky and find an old guy who still practises the older arts.

Wrong. We´re not talking about sports, we´re talinga bout self defense, and for self defense anyone with 6 months of BJJ can beat any grappling layman of the same size 90% of the time REGARDLESS of whether the other guy can strike or not.

Double leg takedown or waistlock into trip, then mount, punch until turn then RNC.

Who gives a shit if pro athletes mix jiu jitsu into their game when we´re talking about surviving in real life ESPECIALLY when I replied specifically to some imbecile who implied that a MT guy would beat a grappler.

>Double leg takedown
Means you have just broken your knees on concrete. Which is exactly what happened to Renzo Gracie. Are you better than him? probably not, but then again, you've obviously never been in a fight.

And a fight isn't a match.

Are you retarded? You must be.

Im 33, black belt in BJJ . Im brazilian and Ive done this for 20 years now. Break knees on concrete? Are you eating shit for breakfast? There are a billion takedowns which can be done safely, including a "baiana", a lazy double leg takedown that doesn´t go to the knees. As well as waist locks and clinch & trip takedowns. Hip throws, everything.

Ive used these extensively in my life.

I´m not interested in winning an argument, there´s no troph here. I´m presenting facts based on real experience. Whether it´s taken or not is not my concern.

Enjoy your day

>I am better than Renzo Gracie
This is why nobody takes BJJ seriously anymore. You had your heyday in the 90s with cherry picked opposition in the first UFCs. That's it. Keep on being butthurt.

We're not in disagreement.
In real life going to the ground just isn't sometimes an option and sometimes it can be suicide. Muay-Thai guys also learn clinching and with a bit of sprawling training you can really cook a grapplers stamina.

You don't have to be better than a top tier athlete to avoid injury. Shit happens. You're a strawmanning retard.

BJJ is arguably the safest martial art.

BJJ is best-- injuries stop you from training and BJJ has a low injury rate.
t.bjjfag

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Nigger, what. BJJ is famous for being an injury factory.

Anyway, Jogo do Pao seems interesting for real old school fighting and apparently beat all comers in a 1986 tournament. It's Portuguese stick fighting, but two handed, like with a two handed sword.

Historically, Portuguese beat all savages from East to West with their styles.

>maximum weightloss
Boxing, muay thai, goju ryu karate, jiu jitsu, wrestling
>body fitness
Boxing, wrestling, jiu jitsu

Also, pic related is bretty helpful

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100%
The Gi makes the game more cerebral. It also stalls the game but the stall points are anything but relaxing.