/fast/ #178 - The Cold is your Warm Friend

>Not doing /nosenses/
>Making it
Choose one.

Are you retarded?
Don’t answer that

idmprogram.com/difference-calorie-restriction-fasting-fasting-27/

because i eat balanced meals while maintaining and bulking
got any other questions, user?

Most likely. All of the ones I've had have carbs in them to some degree. Better off with coffee or caffeine pills.

whenever i'm fasting, i can't stay out of public bathrooms. the smell of fresh shit is so sweet and delicious, like a bakery. am i going to make it?

Amputate your legs and arms, done.

But for real, the realistic fastest you can do it is around 100+ days of water fasting. I wouldn't recommend that but what's stopping you? I'm on a similar mission but with 20kg and it's going pretty good, I'll be there in my goal time easy.

>white people

>but what's stopping you?
Biology? Physics? Reality?

Why would you say that :(

>Not transcending biology, physics or even reality

Never going to make it man, might as well give up now

Does Fung recommend a full-on water fast or is it purely IMF that he promotes?

Also, Is it fine to add a slice of lime or other flavor to the water?

fasting is great. every time I fail I consider it omad

So you're saying the mechanism of Glucagon activating in the absence of insulin and pulling nutrients and lipids out of fat storage to use as fuel and putting the body in a state of dietary ketosis, is "unrealistic"?

>physics
what did he mean?

i'm on my second day. i know i can do this. still drinking coffee because who cares.

You never fail, you just completed a slightly lower tier fast. Fucking fool proof.

in terms of fasting? maybe
in terms of life? no

Yes, your body may become so weak that it doesn't have enough energy and resources in general to generate energy from your fat and protein. Fat people can also die of starvation and this happens pretty often.

>fasting make me feel like crap on day 2
>cardio magically makes it go away for the rest of the day

What black magic is this?

Every fucking time I try fasting I feel incredibly weak and get terrible headaches.

I've been in ketosis for a month not losing shit so I'm trying fasting again. I've drank a whole days worth of snake juice before noon but nothing has changed, and I still feel like shit.

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My gums hurt.
Is it scurvy?

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>family reunion tomorrow
>have to break fast

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Did you even watch any of the videos.
This is covered in The Basics

Take your gay broscience videos and leave. Pubmed or nothing.

it's called making it bby

>incredibly weak
>terrible headaches
E L E C T R O L Y T E S
>drank a whole days worth of snake juice before noon
YOU SIP IT SLOWLY THROUGHOUT THE DAY
enjoy shitting your brains out

Just take Vit C

Just give in man. Human shit is really good for breaking fasts.

Oral fecal transplants have been an integral part of most tribal people's traditions, which has given them very strong gut flora and survivability in harsh conditions due to the increased ability to absorb nutrients from food.

It's just like how momma birds pre-chew and vomit food into a baby birds mouth to feed them, you just do that with another man's ass.

Your gut will thank you!

Isn't it supposed to stop these symptoms?

If so it's not doing its job in the slightest

>Fat people can also die of starvation
yes because they lacked vitamins and electrolytes, not because they lacked food storage. this is why even when fasting you must take multivitamins and salt
if youre retarded and dont take multivitamins or salt, your body will let you know long before you die

Won't this break my fast?

No, it's because you need proteins and your immune system goes to shit.

you went from too little salt to way too much salt in your body in a short amount of time
sit on the toilet, drink lots of clean water, and next time be patient
are you also taking multivitamins?

I didn't drink it all in one gulp. I drank probably a third of it every hour.

will eggs kick me out of keto?

Also I'm not taking a multivitamin

cell.com/cell-stem-cell/abstract/S1934-5909(14)00151-9
tl;dr fasting lowers white blood cell counts, which in turn triggers the immune system to start producing new white blood cells aka autophagy which is in the op

t. idiot

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29105987

consider getting some then
what does your diet look like before you start fasting?

White blood cells are made from protein.
No protein to use, no white blood cells, you die.

You are protein.

Mostly eggs, bacon, peanut butter, tuna, and occasionally pork rinds and vegetables

I also drank quite a bit of Diet Coke if that affects anything

>Autophagy: When your body eats useless cells (loose skin, scar tissue, etc)
>eats useless cells
youre recycling your cells

Turns out killing your own cells is not enough to build new cells because of chemical differences and energy losses.
You won't create white blood cells by only using dead fat cells.

why are you here fatty? gtfo. go to some powerlifter thread or jerk off or some shit. you and your weak diseased mind isn't welcome here

are you feeling hunger pangs too, or just the weakness/headaches?
id get a multivitamin, go for a walk, and drink plenty of clean water. if you feel like you need to shit, go immediately and prepare to lose a bunch of water since the sudden salt influx will suck out too much water from your cells
keep your snek juice with you and dont worry about having to chug the whole thing by the end of the day. just take a sip whenever you feel the nausea coming back

Am I fucking up your money making operation?

I'm just feeling weakness and headaches.

I've already walked 3.5 miles today, and in the past sipping throughout the day has not helped.

>money making operation
hwat

is it weird that me and my girlfriend are into stuff like that? i always talk about how i want to watch her fart out shit, and she tells me that i should plant my cheek against her buttcheek and watch her shit in a forest. it makes my dick diamonds.

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pretty new to Jow Forums and i'm not about to starve myself for a month to lose weight.

i have however lowered my calorie intake to

>been eating OMAD for the last two weeks
>at 254lbs currently

I think I'm ready to go all in on a fast. I've got to break my food addiction.

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We're hard-selling water and we've just been found out. Expect to see no new thread tomorrow, we had a good run.

i just did a 7day water fast and i'm ripped as fuck. i'm not the guy u argued with. i've been fasting for years. i just saw a fat retard coming here , spending time and energy on trying to discredit fasting like some dumb cunt.
>Am I fucking up your money making operation?
what?

I've found that i feel worse on OMAD than on just fasting. Eating one calorie deficit meal just feels like it's not worth it.

"What we started noticing in both our human work and animal work is that the white blood cell count goes down with prolonged fasting. Then when you re-feed, the blood cells come back." - valto longo on the study i linked earlier (cell.com/cell-stem-cell/abstract/S1934-5909(14)00151-9). this is why you should do IF unless youre a seasoned pro
try drinking more clean water, but im not sure
read through this
idmprogram.com/difference-calorie-restriction-fasting-fasting-27/
tl;dr More weight loss, more lean mass gain, more visceral fat loss, less hunger, been used throughout human history, lower insulin, less insulin resistance (when IFing is compared to caloric restriction)

It's you, retards.

youtu.be/iwOX7vOf0_s

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bro.. i want to be just like you. i'm on my second day. i want to get ripped.

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thanks for the funny news story, people sure are crazy sometimes
it sure does feel good to make decisions based on science and biology

Starvation will damage your brain and gou will end up like these retards. Sad stuff.

you need to lift though. i lost like 4-5kg fat and no muscle. doesn't help to be low %fat without muscle. if i were you i would lift at maintenance while doing OMAD for at least 3-4 months before fasting.

Any tips on cold showering? Is it worth it if I don't have ice and it's just ground tap water not heated?

xD

When will you guys start eating shit and drink piss?

i uh, what

at at maintenance. you'll still lose fat and lifts will go up.
WHen doing omad you need extra minerals, and solid amount of good fat to keep you full and so that your body will be better at burning fat for fuel.

seriously, i'd even recommend people to do KETO 1 month before water fasts for maximum efficiency.

i'm an idiot, keep that in mind. basically what i got is that occasional fasting forces your body to eat itself, which does some shit with your metabolism? what if i do both, have a low calorie diet and fast occasionally? i mean i'm not looking to lose 100s of lbs or get ripped as fuck, i just hate that i jiggle slightly when i walk

true that, good thing fasting allows you to switch to ketones unlike caloric restriction, which constantly keeps your body needing glucose and leads to more muscle loss, hunger, etc as a result. now THAT is starving
cold showers aside, its much better to shower in lukewarm water than to melt your hair and skin off

do not do cold showers when fasting. well cold, sure. but no icebaths or very cold showers.

really? any reason why? never heard that

It's probably the same memer that has been here since the start of the thread baiting people with obvious bait. A good past-time activity

I'm surprised it took 165 threads for naysayers to get ahold of fasting and make their own fasting is dumb thread then come and shut up this thread.

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>asting allows you to switch to ketones unlike caloric restriction, which constantly keeps your body needing glucose and leads to more muscle loss, hunger, etc as a result. now THAT is starving
exactly. dumb fucks dont know that fasting past 2-3days gets you into ketosis, which is a whole different thing then starvation.

because an icebath is physically demanding on a whole other level then you would want on a water fast.
If it's your first day, sure.

Day 3-7? nah, nope. no chancein hell.

People aren't recommended to do icebaths on an empty stomach in general.

inb4 your cold showers and icebaths are like 8degrees celcius. that shit's fine. when you go between 4 and -3 its a whole different story

i don't know if i can do that. i can't make it to the gym right now but i have some dumbells. i still feel fat and i don't feel like i have zero muscle except for my chest.

The only way to push your body into ketosis without eating any fats is to practice urine recirculation

you want to avoid having your metabolism drop, since that means your body burns less calories throughout the day for keeping your heart beating, cells moving, etc. a low calorie diet is likely to make your metabolism drop. with fasting, your metabolism can actually increase by around 15%. try starting with a low carb diet (at around your TDEE), then a keto diet (avoiding carbs entirely, again at around your TDEE), then OMAD (as close to TDEE as you can) then fasting. thatll prevent you from getting hit with keto flu and let you fast for a few days relatively free. this will also allow your body to deplete its glucose storage to switch to ketones, meaning youre in ketosis. you can remain in ketosis even after fasting by sticking on that keto diet. so, after all of that, do keto + IFing until youre happy

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For best results make sure to synthesize your urea and mix it into your water

How does IF(eating just below maintenance) mon-thur and water fast fri-sun sound for someone who's a pussy and can't do extended fasts back-to-back?

I always just piss straight into my mouth for optimal "pisstosis". It's even better if you can find a keto buddy to piss in your mouth everyday, maybe also to do something a little more ;)

My muscles got damaged due to exercise and now my body doesn't have enough protein to fix them. The pain just doesn't go away.

>my muscles are damaged from exercise
Then why the fuck are you on a fitness board you dumb nigger

Why is my mouth getting so dry all of a sudden? I have been drinking enough water.

drink some bone broth
save the gay frogs.

so is that guy right? why out of everyone here should i be the one doing OMAD and not fasting? why can't i do OMAD at maintenance till i have all the fat off? aren't i still fat?

this looks interesting but how to start? and how frequently can you do it?

I sinned today. I drank alot of beer and had bbq just now. Tomorrow would've been my refeed day but i can't postbone it because i invited friends to eat with me. I feel guilty

read his book. he recommends multiple kinds

depends on the goal and what's your fitness and fatness level