A new study found that eating meat regularly is associated with a 60 percent increase in the risk of heart disease, while plant-based proteins have been found to benefit the organ.
Researchers who investigated the effects of different sources of protein on the heart found that people who eat a lot of meat saw a sharp rise in the baseline risk of cardiovascular disease. However, eating protein from nuts and seeds was linked to a 40 percent reduction in cardiovascular disease.
>A new study found
Post the study then dipshit. Why the fuck would you start a thread about a study without even posting the study?
basically your blood stream is like a highway, if it isn't being used (i.e, being a bitch ass vegan) the roads stay pristine. if you want to make it you have to destroy your body in the process.
What am I a hamster, I'm getting my protein from animals meemer.
This is likely less to do with "meat" and more to do with vegans/vegatarians being more conscientious with their diet. I imagine the total average is closer to "Meat eater" by virtue of most people having shitty diets in general.
did these studies showing higher atherosclerosis rates among meat eaters than vegans/vegetarians normalize their findings for carbohydrate intake?
no?
then fuck off.
saturated fat brings on high cholesterol which leads to atherosclerosis
aka dont eat so much RED MEAT, insanely high in saturated fat
This. 100%
If you're a vegan/vegetarian, you've made a decision to be conscious about your health. A meat eater is more likely to be someone who eats processed junk food.
Define 'a lot'
Absolutely. Vegans shit a brick when they hear that argument and can't refute it though.
fuck off
blaming cholesterol for clogged arteries is like blaming the fireman for the fire
>45
exactly. idk why vegans have such a hard time understanding this. maybe their brains are atrophied from malnutrition.
high cholesterol is what causes atherosclerosis. eating saturated fat doesn't necessarily lead to high cholesterol. obesity is what really causes dyslipidemia. obese people tend to eat more animal meat and are generally less cognizant of their overall food intake compared to vegans
...what
thats literally the cause lol
? dietary cholesterol is literally exclusive to animal products, so even if it isn't saturated fat I don't understand your argument
those of us doing keto are immune though r-right?
this isn't "new" information. This data has been accumulated for the past 40 decades. Basically the wealthy and intelligent already know this information. It's only "new" to you because you're a typical American.
A new study found that OP is being a faggot regularly is associated with a 60 percent increase in the risk of heart disease, while OP not being a faggot have been found to benefit the organ.
Researchers who investigated the effects of OP being a faggot on the heart found that people who saw a lot of OP being a faggot saw a sharp rise in the baseline risk of cardiovascular disease. However, seeing OP not being a faggot was linked to a 40 percent reduction in cardiovascular disease.
true but dietary cholesterol has little effect on blood cholesterol
Why don't animals that exclusively eat other animals, like lions, tigers, etc. get atherosclerosis?
Hmmmm... really jogs the noggin.
Really gives my wheels a spin.
Reeeaaallly shakes my maracas.
jesus christ
I'm not vegan, but I think I have a healthy reasonable doubt about that
digestive systems are night and day difference, unless you're trolling me. We don't have the stomach acid they do.
>vegancucks actually believe this
Cholesterol is a patching material. The damage is caused by sugar, cholesterol is the body trying to heal.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The European countries, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Korea and India among others do not have an upper limit for cholesterol intake in their dietary guidelines. Further, existing epidemiological data have clearly demonstrated that dietary cholesterol is not correlated with increased risk for CHD.
I studied nutrition in college. retards like you who have no background knowledge on what they're talking about and spread misinformation is why this site is looked down upon
as do biologists and zoologists. Who'd have thought that different species have different physiology!
Also, I'm now convinced Jow Forums is truly the least intelligent board
enjoy penile issues
i'm really not going to argue over something that is in giant text if you google "atherosclerosis"
fuck your retarded
People who eat whole food diets and get adequate activity sleep sunlight and eat infrequently on average are healthier and live longer then both keto and vegan dieters.
Vegan here, this is hog shit. The plaques still build up in arterial walls, dormant vegans are put together better internally than marathon running meat eaters.
>I studied nutrition in college.
you think because you took nutrition class 101 that means you know anything?
If you're not a licensed dietitian kindly shut the fuck up
are you a licensed dietitian?
>hose yourself with stir fried and insaturated fats from all the vegetal oil you use
>not having increased chance of heart disease
That's why my vegan sister has a higher cholesterol than i do, being a full blown meat eater.
you do realize whole food/plant based diet is technically vegan, right?
Does everyone on Jow Forums actually believe vegan only directly correlates to all that unhealthy dairy free processed vegan junk food?
well i majored in nutrition but that's beside the point. did you even look at the article I sited or are you too afraid to find out your outdated vegan beliefs are complete bullshit?
I don't even use oils ever lol, much prefer food volume over a cap of oil.
If that's all you got on me than good day sir.
why would she use vegetable oil?
Kek. Actually the newest research shows that atherosclerosis has an inflammatory pathology not previously understood, caused by excessive high glycemic calories.
It will take a long time for the world to react to it though. Screencap this
>a new study
>posts 0 studies
what are your/her cholesterol numbers? I'd be extremely surprised if you both had blood work done and compared notes. Nice larp
I'm not OP, but there are literally tons of clinical data on this. This isn't new information. Most Americans are just kept ignorant because of ag-gag laws and corporate influence.
Epidemiological studies go straight into the trash.
Correlation doesnt equal causation.
>People who eat meat and pound sodas have poor health
>Therefore meat must be unhealthy!
I'm a brainlet. What are excessive high glycemic calories?
Assuming it just comes back to sugar/overly processed food are the root of all our problems.
studying nutrition doesn't mean you took 1 class. Thats like saying I studied chemistry in college and someone thinking I only took 1 gen ed chemistry course. It means he majored in nutrition you dip.
From this post alone I can already tell you are still in grade school or that this was the highest level of education for you
look up the glycemic index
Yup.
That and eating too often.
>then
Oh my fucking god. How the hell am I supposed to take you seriously with that grammar?
I was on optimal levels and she was two degrees lower than me. I compared because she asked me to check it up and her dietician recommended her to watch it.
>not having a decent relationship with your siblings
ishygddt
So what the fuck do you even eat? What are your RMs?
>than
Your brain is craving decent food though.
man, you missed the point completely.
nutritionists literally just arrange lunch menus for nursing homes.
dietitian is the only thing that means anything,
>two degrees
just give up your bullshit already. literally no one is buying it
Yes. And consuming an excessive amount. How much is excessive? Depends on your output
way to try to change the subject of my post. just say you were being a dumbfuck for a moment and this would be all over
>being this willfully retarded
Whole foods doesn't cause the kinds of problems that sugar and processed foods cause user.
They simply don't.
Artery plaque comes from eating too much processes sugars and the body releasing a fuckton of cholesterol to cover the wounds that sugar creates in the arteries.
Vegan diets work only and I mean ONLY because its basically a fucking starvation tier diet and you're eating no processed shit and actually forcing the body to remove the cholesterol from the arteries that has built up over time.
That's it.
You can eat a pure whole organic foods based omnivore diet and get better results.
>bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com
I honestly just looked at the article titles and im assuming the argument youre trying to make is that disproportionately high ldl levels compared to hdl is a risk factor for cvd, which is true... everyone knows that. these articles aren't even relevant to this argument
You really can't eat much of any of it to be honest. It's quite honestly horrible for you.
Any reliable ways to clean out your arteries yet?
i'm being a dumbfuck because someone who isn't qualified to talk about what he was talking about said "i took a class in college for a lesser degree so i know what i'm talking about"
it would have been wrong of me NOT to call him out. he's literally what he was insulting, a misinformed person. He literally isn't educated enough to speak on the subject
>still not understanding the point
wew, lad. Let me elaborate since you seem to be too stupid to understand. OP stated there are new studies without posting any studies to support himself. This is like me saying, "These photos taken just hours ago show proof of Aurora Borealis localizing entirely within my kitchen." And then me not posting any photos. I don't care who is right and who is wrong, I was just making fun of OP for being an idiot. Do you get it now? Or do you want me to use smaller words?
>"A new study found"
>no link to the study
perma-ban all v*gans, I'm tired of this shit
SOURCE: dude trust me
He didn’t say plant-based. He said whole food. Unprocessed meat is whole food.
Swear to fucking god you made me login onto their site, well memed. My autism was triggered and you successfully baited someone with your faggotry.
>i didn't read the article and I admit it, but i know what i'm talking about and you don't
Yes it is. But super athletes with high demands can tolerate it easily.
It seems like you think you know what courses are required to get this degree. I'd like to hear your opinion on what courses seem useless to you compared to someone getting a ?dietician? degree.
every meat eater source: "well, I'm not ALREADY dead from a heart attack so ..."
why would i read anything past the abstract if i already know what the results are going to be? im not disputing the point he's trying to make with the articles but it has nothing to do with the vegan vs. meat-eater debate
uhhh, i specifically asked for source hereto which i got an answer of, dude trust me.
You’re pretending to be a doctor when your not, be glad your on Jow Forums because otherwise you would be in big trouble.
No you stupid cunt.
Whole foods indicates veg, meat, fruit, nuts, herbs and spices.
Food that has not been processed and is hopefully Non-GMO.
I know that Big Ag and snack food interstests backed vegan shills have co-opted the term.
But it's a term that has been around for a long time.
They love to pretend that all of the health benefits that come along with veganism is because of it being meat free. But the truth of the matter is, it comes from it being by it's very nature low calorie and having very little processed foods in it compared to the normal western diet.
Not really.
Plenty of dudes who did the multiple meals plus sugary/processed foods thing ended up being type 2 diabetic and having heart trouble.
The only thing that's keeping it from fucking them really badly really quickly are the drugs they take to be SUPER ATHLETES that are causing a whole host of other problems.
>i can't seem to refute because im actually a retard so i will just pretend i would kick his ass or something
some cute shit right here
not the guy you just replied to, but you're the one who can't refute you're not a dietitian, not the other way around.
I hope you feel like you're really making a difference when the old ladies smile because you put sugar free jello on the lunch menu
meanwhile the LICENSED dietitians approved by a board will actually be giving people actual dietary advice outside of a Chinese basket weaving forum when they're done larping
>pretending to be a doctor
what did user say to make you think he is being a doctor? all he did was just call you a dumbass
my favorite type of vegans are the ones who didn't go to college but did a few google searches, watched a few youtube videos, and now pretend to be experts in nutrition. They hold on to their outdated beliefs in delusion so they can have some sort of false sense of superiority over others-that's why you see these threads being made every day. It reminds me of flat-earthers in that this really just a cult
>you can't refute you're not a dietician
why don't you go back and tell me when I said anything nutrition related. I just pointed out how dumb user was being by thinking someone who said they studied nutrition is.... ahhh forget it. I know you are samefagging you triggered idiot
how do vegans get enough vitamin A? I seriously don't understand
do vegans supplement retinol?
not a vegan but if you type in vitamin A supplement in google you can see you can just buy them from your local grocery store
Actually roads benefit from being driven on. If you notice where cars tires would go on average, the road is much better looking.
That is even on motorcycle license tests.
Your metaphor fucking sucks
>you would be in big trouble mister
are you 12?
but is a vitamin A supplement made of retinol or beta carotine?
nice
whats teh difference? Other than it is synthesized from different reactants.
the absorption rate for one, and if it's beta carotene then it also has to convert to retinol in the body
in other words, you would in an exorbitant amount of beta carotene in comparison to retinol supplements, a number much higher than I'd imagine would be in a supplement bottle
well, what kind of negative results can you get from what you just said. Not trying to argue, curious
There is nothing meat that causes arterial plaquing.
the ones associated with vitamin A deficiency, which cause a range of problems often with the eyes and skin, but it can also affect your bones
honestly I'm not sure that I'm right about this. But i took figures from scientists, crunched the numbers, and it seems impossible that vegans could ever be getting enough beta carotene on a day-to-day basis.
I'm not sure if the scientists absorption/transfer rates are too low, or if my math is off, or if almost all vegans aren't getting enough vitamin A
welp, not sure how eggs fit into a vegans diet but I guess i would suggest them to eat that.
>eggs
>vegan
Great source of b12, vitamin d, etc. too. Vegans could have a healthy diet if they just worked in some free range eggs. Unfortunately it doesn't allow them to be virtue-signaling cucks and claim to be vegan.
shouldn't they be eating something like liver for vitamin A?
Can they do a study on actual meaters though? People who are in ketosis actually eat entire pasture raised animals, organs, bones, etc. Or better yet can they do a study on raw meat eaters.
i thought eggs contained vitamin A.
they do, i just meant the amount of vitamin A
you'd have to eat dozens of eggs to get the some amount of retinol
DUUUR WHERE IS THE STUDY
google is hard guys
academic.oup.com
ah i see, well shit. I have never eaten liver ever. Im going to have to look up what contains more retinol
>veganfaggots posting FAKE NEWS
GTFO pussy
fucking topkek
I'm not gonna lie, liver isn't known for its good taste