>be me >22 year old >lifting for about 5 years, decent size, good frame >notice I'm not progressing lately, feeling tired most of the time and gaining a little bit of fat >get test levels checked >312ng/dL >below the average of 85 year old >what the actual fuck >go to the endo >say that I carry on every healthy habit a person could have >5 days a week gym, good diet, active sexual life, etc >endo says I'm normal >"here, although you're low, you're still considered normal" >says my low test symptoms are all in my head >tells me to go to a psychiatrist instead >says I'm probably depressed >father is a friend of him and talks to the doctor afterwards >father now thinks I'm depressed and tells mom I'm depressed >they're both now everyday saying I'm depressed and that I should seek a psychiatrist >tfw starting to get depressed just by listening to them
Be real with me boys, is there a point in trying onions, zma, aspartic acid, tribulus and vitamin d3? Will I raise my levels to above 1000ng/dL or will it be just a minor boost to 400 something?
I finally have the balls to do my first cycle(no pun), I just don't want to go bald, so here is my question: in an 8 week cypionate testosterone cycle, will 1mg of finasteride along with 20mg tamox hold my sides well? Fin/propecia will hold the dht conversion while tamox will avoid the gyno, so I think it's a good stack. Post cycle I'd go with HCG, continue with fin(if I had a small hair loss), tamox and a few vitamins and minerals.
I don't know man, I think it's weird that your test levels dropped like that. I'd go to the doctor again if I were you, but I'm no expert.
Hudson Gonzalez
>active sex life
Stopped reading. Sage.
Lincoln Ramirez
I have another appointment to the doctor scheduled for monday, I just feel that most doctors are either too afraid of prescribing me TRT or too old to know about recent studies and test levels raising. I feel deep inside that I'm doomed naturally, so going /fraud/ is my only salvation, but if I can get better natty, I'll try it first
surprise not everyone here is an incel
Leo Young
>22 year old >father is a friend of him and talks to the doctor afterwards I honest to god hope this is fake because this is a grave breech of confidentiality.
Lincoln Cox
what are your lifts OP?
Brody Rogers
it's true, my father is also a doctor and met him during college
I judge them to be fine
(counting the bar that weights 20kg)
bench press: 100kg 4x8 reps squat: 120kg 4x8 reps deadlift: 150kg 5x5 reps chin ups I can do about 40 all the way up to failure
Yeah he should threaten to get hooked up with some test or report him to the authorities
Nathaniel Cooper
Are you in a fairly populated area? Just go doctor shopping until you find one who will give you TRT.
Ryder Fisher
Rolling for this
Lucas Collins
I guess I'll do that
regarding the test boosting, is it worth trying?
Ryder Jackson
Have you checked your LH and FSH levels? If not, do it (that shit endo should've told you to if he wasn't shit) then go to another doctor, preferably an andrologist or even urologist if the results suggest the problem is with your balls.
Caleb Parker
pretty good lifts for someone with low test
i have high test and i don't have that much higher lifts
Ian Russell
LH is 3,2UI/L FSH is 3,2UI/L
I suppose it's also low because everything else is, I just couldn't find out how low it is
Dude, just try some popular supplements like ashwagandha, vitamin d, zinc and magnesium. They won't hurt you if you take some fair doses and may actually help. You should also switch medics. It's just lazy of him to tell you that you're fine.
Jaxson Collins
take some clomid and check your levels 3 months AFTER you end it. Once you pin test, you WILL be dependent on it for the rest of your life.
Parker Stewart
>tells me to go to a psychiatrist instead The exact same thing happened to me, OP. I'm the same age and have almost identical T levels, too. Each day I feel myself getting closer to going /fraud/. I gave clomid a try and it boosted me to the low 500s for a bit but eventually fell back to original levels.
Once you pin you will be /fraud/ forever. No matter how much Nolvadex, Clomid, HCG, DAA etc. you take, it will never recover natty level test levels again.
Josiah Turner
>it will never recover natty level test levels again. what? where did you hear this? That's just not correct now is it?
Xavier Morgan
have you ever heard of someone doing just one cycle?
Logan Evans
yes I have, now answer my question. Where did you hear that you will never recover natty test levels after a cycle?
Angel Watson
It all went to me, op >be 22 >had low test all my life >chicks used to treat me like shit >start lifting to improve my test scores and lower anxiety >plateau at loser lifts, stay at it for months >continue eating my 120 grams of protein >break through plateau >test levels absurdly higher. Feel great after every lift, not even tired. >feeling great with my still shit but better lifts. >chicks look noticably hotter, I used to not be able to get my dick hard >Tfw I stole OPs test
Logan James
Most endocrinologists are garbage. Saw 5 before finding a doc who was willing to try TRT. 200mg/week remedied just about every symptom I was having and corrected all of my labs. Cholesterol, insulin, glucose, and liver enzymes dropped into low-normal ranges. Bone density returned to normal and chronic inflammation ceased. Total test is in the 900ng/dL range.
Problem is, most endos refer to the Literature as word of law, but most studies focus on older patients with age-related comorbidities. Very little data exists on treating younger patients with low-T.
Jayden Morgan
That's because doing one cycle is stupid. Once you've done one, you realize that natty lifting without skunk ape genetics is a complete waste of time. People don't "recover" because they age. Their levels are constantly going down so of course they won't go back to your 25yo levels when you're 34 and done roiding.
Ethan James
Take a pct stack now, clomid, zma, aspartic acid and vitamin d, while lifting heavy
If your test doesn't go past the 700 you go fraud bud
Grayson Parker
>Be real with me boys, is there a point in trying onions, zma, aspartic acid, tribulus and vitamin d3? Will I raise my levels to above 1000ng/dL or will it be just a minor boost to 400 something? You really can't naturally raise your test by more than about 200.
You felt fine before all of this, just slow progression. That's probably because you've been lifting for a long time and are already quite big.
If your libido is normal then you're fine.
I'm beginning to think test levels don't mean that much.
Jeremiah Jackson
>In general, the normal range in males is about 270 to 1070 ng/dL How can the normal range be that varied
Aiden Torres
((( normal range )))
normal range for below 30 year old men is above 700, anything else is bullshit
Jack Clark
Not op, but these are my numbers. What do? I feel like somethings wrong with my prostate or bladder as well. Something down there feels swollen. My nuts are fine however. Sex drive is WAY down.
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor and you should go see one.
That said, high estradiol (which you have) is known to cause low LH and FSH levels (which you also have) and is often linked to benign prostate hyperplasia which would cause lower urinary tract problems (which you complain about), as well as low libido.
Go get your prostate checked and unironically try the onion pill. If I remember the Onion Man's results correctly, the only significant change he saw was drastic reduction of estradiol, so you might as well give it a try.
Hunter Anderson
Well, it says my Estrodial is in range. Is Estrodial affected by an AI? Thank you for the feedback. Going to a urologist in a few weeks.
Mason Wright
But when a guy says he feels like a woman, hes immediatly presicribed hormones without question. Say you feel like a bber in the body of a average skinny fat. If ythey disagree with you, tell them to check their privilege.
James Taylor
UPDATE I just worked out and my lifts were total shit. Im talking losing gains Ive made over two months out of no where.
OP must have stolen his test back.
Jeremiah Howard
doctors don't know shit about test levels. they aren't super smart guys or anything like people believe. they go to medical school then forget half of the shit they learn just like everyone else. things like test levels they just look it up before giving a diagnosis and the jews that write the books have 300ng as normal levels
Joshua Richardson
Can you refer me to some papers in younger guys with low T? Not OP but I’m interested.
Daniel Mitchell
Incredibly low Test. Girl, you be looking good. Shake your thing. By "active sexual life" I assume you are bottom to a rugby team?
Colton Reyes
youtu.be/YDuMGoK-1JA Watch this to understand how Drs diagnose low T. Based Feigenbaum and Baraki explain it pretty well.
Blake Rodriguez
Go to Thailand and fuck bitches for a months. It does wonders.
Michael Parker
Skip to 6:34 for your answer on how Low T works and how it's diagnosed.