>Bread is bad for you

Looks tasty, you don't have to go 100% one or the other wheat/rye though

>if I ignore half of this post and don't think about what it means, I can call the poster retarded
>ah, fuck it, nobody will notice

>retard needs spoonfeeding because cant think up a valid meal plan
>this is somehow not his fault

>muffins and whey powder
It's probably better than most of the stupid diets people go on.

>we eat loads of it
more like a a few slices a day. Otherwise in sandwich but we don't cover it in mayo or shit.
also we know how to cook and don't eat tons of processed factory shit on top of bread.

>bread is bad
>Europeans eat it

yet you post a picture of a croissant, a non wheat product/.

>that pic

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10/10, made me look it up

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>a croissant, a non wheat product
wot

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This
I eat bread all the time but I buy from the backery
A big baguette will last me days
Just slice a piece off and make a sandwich

Took the bread pill about six months ago, never felt better in my life.

>Absolutely nothing. Calories in, calories out.
Austrians eat more calories on average than Americans, yet are thinner. China, the same.

Both eat high carb, too.

>yet we are one of the (the?) healthiest in europe
Lmao. That what your government tells you? Ever looked at the cancer rates in Europe?

kekd hard

Then they exercise more.

White bread is calorie dense compared to other foods and bland enough that you always have to add various things on top of it to eat.

So it's not optimal, but it obviously is better for you than animal fats or excessive sugar.

So, duh?

>bread pill
Eating more bread or cutting out bread?

You've never been to Austria or China, huh? There are loads of other examples too.

Keep in mind Jow Forums is mostly made up of amerilards so when they say X food is bad for you, it means that the average lardfat can't contain his portions. Bread won't kill you if you use the golden rule of moderation, but it's easy to overeat, especially for an american who has devouring carbs written into his genetic code.

This. Also, American bread is hilariously shit. It's more like thin slices of cake.

>especially for an american who has devouring carbs written into his genetic code.
All humans literally have that. Are you human?

I smell a vegan

He can call you retarded anyway, it's Jow Forums you hugbox-ridden manlet.

Also, he called you a lazy idiot, not a retard even though they both work in your case

cause we have mountains we have to climb up to retard

in Europoor land we aren't privileged enough to have high fructose corn syrup in literally everything we eat. Quality matters more than total calories.

you are literally 9th in the world in cancer rates.
not in Europe. In the world.

They have actual bread there not the factory farmed and made pseudo food we laughably call bread.
They also use heirloom grains and not the franken grains we have here.
Hell, people come from other countries and eat the exact same kinds of food and in the exact same amounts with the only change being that it's the typical american food stock and get fat and sick.
This has been noted by many people.
What does that say about our food supply.

It's another episode of the
"Animal fats are bad" show!

Unfortunately true I think. Me and my sister visited US and ate the same stuff as normal and my sister was sick the whole time she was there. I was okay though

That is every episode.

Modern science is certain of that, every meta analysis confirms this and even studies paid for by the related industries at best argue "it's not that bad for you".

I eat a huge block of full fat cheese every day but I won't argue retarded shit to justify my bad dietary choices.

European countries eat real bread, though.

They aren't though.
Excess animal fats are bad.
Just like a strict vegan diet is bad.
A diet that excludes food groups that socieites have lived off of for centuries with no ill effects is a shitty one.
I can understand how people are gluten intolerant or lactose intollerant or can't eat certain foods because of allergies or them being not the best type of food for their particular genetic makeup and planned epigenetic change.
But simply excluding it because it's trendy or because someone said so without knowing why is silly.

Shame that plant fats have been likewise proven shit. So what now?

Most developed countries have extremely high cancer rates because it's an illness that takes root as people get older, and those in shithole countries usually die out before they even get the chance to acquire cancer. Furthermore, the better your health system is the more likely you are to be DIAGNOSED with cancer to begin with and thus counted in the statistics.

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Are you retarded? Polyunsaturated fats have been consistently shown to improve every marker we know reladed to chd, stroke risk etc.

Appeal to nature is stupid. If my ancestors ate shit and survived and I know better, it doesn't mean I have to follow in their footsteps.
If anything I should learn from that experience and see if there's any emerging patterns.
And the truth is despite what I like myself, plants are the best strategy if health and longevity is your goal.

Also citation needed on a vegan diet being bad for you. Legumes with olive oil every meal would literally be the best possible human diet, with a b12 supplement.

I say this as someone who literally can't stop having dairy with every single meal.
You can do whatever you want and still be objective about facts.

Amerimutts aren't human

I just make my own bread from good stuff. Gives me nutrients and fiber unlike any bread I could buy from the store and also it tastes better.

our bread here is filled with sugar look any every white bread it has corn syrup in it same with all breads in the grocery store snd onions if your going to ewt bread make it yourself or get it from an actual baker stopped buying bread from the grocery store and make my own every week i have actually lost 8 lbs

user, appeal to nature when it comes to food is 100% applicable.
Why? Because all rights the food that we eat in america is 100% good because we can eat it and survive.
But we all know that most of it is not only not good for us but is killing us.

When you understand that children will naturally push away certain foods that we accept as good because it sickens them and they don't like the affects it has on them but we force them only to later find out that it causes them harm.
Then we need to evaluate some things.

There is a case study of a child who would eat salty water and salt on everything. After they made him stop he promptly died.
Later the doctor who performed the autopsy concluded that he had a fatal condition that the boy had learned to control by drinking salty water.

Easier to walk, as in places you need to go are easier to reach in walking distance. They also bike more often and more people use public transportation than in the US.

Sorry I didn't spell that out for you and assume you were capable of basic deduction due to your double digit IQ.

Looks delicious. Bread is great since it keeps you more full for longer.
The problem is eating shitty processed white bread.

Yes, yes, CICO and all of that.

Butter is way more fattening than mayo.

Oida, red net so a Blech. Ois wüad jeda Ösi jedan Tag auffan Berg auffekraxeln. Ge weida.

>Appeal to nature is stupid.
Fattest country in the world, everyone. You have a 41" waist ON AVERAGE (ie. 50% are fatter), you have NO business criticizing anyone's diet or obesity rate.

CICO is an American invention (Atwater system) and after introducing it around 1900, Americans blew up like nobody's business in the last 100 years.

Shut up faggot.

meta analysis is shit. face it most normies eat like shit and don't take care of themselves.
No exercise, smoking etc.
Just because studies by comparison with ppl that don't eat fat show correlation that does not equal causation. Look up the harvard nurse study. This is literally the same thing.
And cheese is bad for even 80% of lactose tolerant people

>comparing euro portions to murican portions
Burgerland food portions are literally 3-5x the size of European portions. A slice of bread must be in the low 30cals and look like a cracker compared to a 240cal murican slice the size of a baby

polyunsaturated as in vegetable oils? OH NONONONO
they improve markers but increase mortality compare to animal fats. And by a HUGE margin. You know why? Because cholesterol is a shit marker for heart disease. Try c reactive protein, clotting factors, homocysteine.

Have you actually raised a child? Children are monkeys and will eat whatever they see you eating. ANY healthy food is generally a struggle, and many parents give up and feed their kids heavily processed shit. Convincing them to eat baby food which is basically meat with vegetables is a multiple months long project. And it only gets worse from there. My daughter has to be entertained for an hour and a half to have traditional greek yogurt, 100g of it, while other babies down flavored processed yogurt and ask for more.

Seriously, this is beyond appeal to nature fallacy, this is pure stupidity.

Sometimes your body does know what it needs, but in the vast majority of times this doesn't apply. Either because food is engineered (not just modern food, even our fruit is engineered over hundred of years) to appeal to it by fitting all the heuristics the body uses, or because frequently we get the wrong information out of any rough signal it produces.

We don't really know every specific interaction of molecules that occurs in the human body and we might never fully model all of those. What we can do is look at empirical evidence of which we have plenty and can relatively easily generate more of.

And this evidence categorically shows that saturated fat is bad for you, isn't essential as it can be synthesized and replacing it with good fats (vegetable polyunsaturated fats) improves almost every health marker we can measure.

Cutting it out

My niece hated anything with sugar or looked unnatural and would only eat homecooked whole foods veggies and fruit.
Her mother basically forced her to eat sugary garbage and now she has bad teeth and is super hyperactive and a handful.
It's a struggle to get her to drink fucking water unless it's flavored.
She eats salads like they're going out of style and still eats homecooked meals.
But I'll be damned if she doesn't love sugar.

All human beings can figure out what we need by simply eating food based on how we feel and removing all emotional attachments away from foods.

Everyone at a deep level understands food and how to eat it and what makes them feel bad.

As for vegetable oils. They're almost all universally bad for you and cause multiple cancers in vegetarian populations. Only a handful of cold pressed oils are any fucking good. A HANDFUL. Like 3.
Fucking Lard is better for you then Vegetable oil and is more filling.

>comparing the subhuman sugar loaded thing that americans call ·bread" with actual bread

I like bread.

If you consider this bread then yeah it's bad for you.

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my mom makes the best white bread though. can't disappoint her.

>Austrians eat more calories on average than Americans, yet are thinner.

>citation needed

Nothing against eating whitebread once in a while but not every single day.

Polyunsatured is a small part of plant oils. Furthermore it breaks down when cooking at high temperatures. So making that the sole talking point regarding plant oils is just silly. And you should know yourself of saturated + acrylamid and that this happens at different temperatures depending on what you use. And that's not the end of it. Fuck me for not remembering it in detail but you got a limit in the digestion system on how much you can process, over that it's likewise harmfull even if you use the better plant oils. There is a publication with recomended limits for pregnant mothers because it could even affect the kid.

Different people are more tolerant to certain foods.
A European can survive on a mainly grain diet in a survival situation, but an African would rot away.

Stop generalizing, my children have always eaten healthy. They never liked super sweets and crap food.

Is this type of bread ok? It was recommended by Scooby. No corn syrup at all, 100% stone ground whole wheat.
myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/natures-own-bread-100-whole-wheat-bread-plus-estimated-potassium-41897801
naturesownbread.com/sandwich-bread/100-whole-wheat
I rather make my own bread though.

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>you can pinpoint the health standards of entire countries due to there consumption of one food staple.
why is this a thread? everything in moderation... now go lose to weight fatty.

dude vegetable oils for frying will fucking KILL YOU. frying with fat/coconut/olive oil is 10 times safer.
and no, saturated fat is good for you.
The same evidence you cite also shows we should just move more, the sugar in soda's and the hf corn syrup is also good for you and gives you the energy to go through the day.

>Europistan
>Healthy
Incorrect, they are becoming unhealthy at breakneck speeds
Slampigs are more and more common in Scandinavia and it's almost outright normal in mainland europe

>Olive bread
Literally gag every time I have tried to eat it

>more people use public transportation than in the US.
That's not a fucking choice most nations in Europe have cuckd the shit out of their citizens by making owning a car a luxury item due to how expensive it is
Same thing happened to the Northeast and chimpcago at the beginning of the 40's

Olive oil has a very low burn rate. Meaning cancerous.
Don't fry anything in that

>owning a car a luxury in Europe
Confirmed for never having left your flyover shithole town.

No, Denmark is the highest because they live extremely unhealthy lifestyles. They really do. As do the French. The Australians have shitty lifestyles too, but their rates are brought up by skin cancer.

user, if public transport in america was brought back, then most people would see cars as a luxury item and treat them as such.

This is why the railway system is a fucking joke in america even though we have everything in place to have the worlds best train system and subways and bus systems are under serviced.

>we know how to cook
Where the fuck do you people get the idea that we don't?
You cucks mist never come and live here because if you did this meme wouldn't exist

>Most developed countries have extremely high cancer rates because it's an illness that takes root as people get older,

You realize that says "age-standardized" right? Meaning it's not a factor. Retard.

>Amerilards
>US is literally the most health conscious nation on the planet by miles
>Completely ignored the fact that the obesity rate in Europe has been gaining in the US for decades and Bongistan is actually within spitting distance of tying us

Not him but I've lived in Europe for a couple years and I knew ONE person under 30 that owned their own car. Everyone else used public transportation or borrowed their parent's

Shouldn't you europoors be getting ready for bed?

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In italy we literally eat a lot of pasta bread and pizza everyday and I rarely see fat people, vast majority of my friends are fit
independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-worlds-healthiest-country-earth-economy-issues-sierra-leone-global-health-index-uk-us-a7740346.html
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-20/italy-s-struggling-economy-has-world-s-healthiest-people
sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/italian/en/article/2017/03/21/italy-has-been-named-healthiest-country-world
mnn.com/food/healthy-eating/stories/italians-are-healthiest-world
lonelyplanet.com/news/2017/03/22/healthiest-country-in-the-world-italy/

It says nothing
We mass produce our food on a scale not seen pretty much anywhere else save for India and China.
As a result we need to use strong preservatives in order to keep said mass produced food fresh enough to eat for when it finally arrived to a store for people to buy
Europe has no such issue as the only foods that they import are mostly fruits and vegetables that gmo's have taken care of going bad quickly and they produce most of their own meats or get it from Poland which is incredibly close to most of them so food travel is not very far at all which means far less preservatives required

I'm very skeptical of Nature's Own, I've heard plenty of rmuors about them bullshitting how real their products are
Would really like solid proof one way or the other

American bread is also fortified with iron, unlike European bread, and tends to have more oil and other additives like basedmeal added to it. European bread is not good per se, but it is less bad and good quality sourdough is also more readily available if you want it.

>especially for an american who has devouring carbs written into his genetic code
What the fuck does this even mean?

Americans are not distinct because of their carbohydrate consumption.

That is changing!

t. doesn't pay for his car insurance
You're dead wrong faggot, owning a car is a luxury in Europe and unless you don't live within biking/walking distance the majority of people do not own one
No they wouldn't, America will never go full public transport because we are a nation of freedom and a lack of a car severely limits where you can go, what you can do, and when you can do them.
Literally the reason that only Chicago and the northeast managed to pull off their monopoly (that and it was the fucking government doing it)
Preservatives is the root Benvolio, we use salt and sugars to preserve and those are what make your cells lethargic and less efficient

>muffins and whey powder
>he doesn’t realize you can put different fruits, nuts and even bran in your muffins so the diet would actually end up being balanced and healthy
How much of a brainlet are you?

I don’t buy the “they exercise more” argument bu there is something to be said about how vehemently americans refuse to walk to places instead of using their cars.

>They have actual bread there not the factory farmed and made pseudo food we laughably call bread.
>They also use heirloom grains and not the franken grains we have here.
I live in France and have lived in Austria and travelled all throughout Europe. This statement is bollocks.

Europe's flour is factory farmed. Europe also use dwarf wheat, not heirloom varieties. Bread in Europe would also count as a processed food.
Perhaps you can more easily find things like sourdough, spelt, rye, etc (especially in Germany!) but most Europeans just eat white bread.

The difference is not in the type of wheat used, but more so what is added to the dough. In Europe bread is not fortified with iron, and tends to have less additives like vegetable oils or onions meal and such. I think their are some other "bread refiners" or something that are often added to bread in America but are banned in the EU too, but I don't remember entirely. Also, I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but less GMO here too (then again, I don't think wheat is GMO in America either, rather the corn, onions or canola that might be added to bread).

European bread is not good, it is less bad, and arguably you have better alternatives more readily available (like sourdough spelt or rye!) for those who care, and Europeans are more likely to eat their bread/pastries with real butter than with margarine.

Lol at Jow Forums automatically changing s-o-y to onions. I'm pretty sure Americans don't generally add onion flour to their bread.

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>No they wouldn't, America will never go full public transport because we are a nation of freedom and a lack of a car severely limits where you can go, what you can do, and when you can do them.
Yeah, and not having fucking gas or a means to acquire or keep up a car limits you even further.
People will still have cars, they'll just use public transit over their cars when it comes to getting around in certain places.
No amount of cars = freedom USA FUCK YEAR is going to change that.

>Literally the reason that only Chicago and the northeast managed to pull off their monopoly (that and it was the fucking government doing it)
Well yeah. The government backed by monied interests outright dismantled the public transit system and is in the process of letting it in major cities go fallow.

It's still light out, not even 9pm yet.