Well that's it guys. I've been working out for 8 years now. In that time I've learnt a lot. One thing I can say is, stop trying to get "big". Once you are a healthy weight, that's all you need. Lean > size.
Continuously trying to get big will lead you down a never ending path. You will never be happy. Stop looking at the scale, instead aim for visible abs, the "line" between your pecs, tear drop shaped legs etc.
Cardio, squats, bench press, shoulder press, pull ups and press ups are the only exercises you will ever need.
The fitness industry by and large does not want you to succeed. Your failure is money in their pocket and keeps the industry alive. The industry is worth billions, an industry for something so simple as getting in shape. Google how to build muscle and you will get millions upon millions of results, people telling you different things, people trying to make you sign up to things, sell you products. Making out they have the answer. It's all bollocks. Increase your workout intensity and your body will tell you if it needs more food to adapt.
Diet really is key to looking good. Fast food has little nutrient value and so will go straight to your hips. If you hold fat around your waist mainly then your diet is bad.
>pullups are enough for back development Opinion disregarded
Aaron Kelly
he probably meant enough for lats
Cameron Collins
getting better is a campaign, and you just got ww2'd by jews
good job basedboi
Jackson Foster
depends how you define better
Ryan Sanchez
>If you hold fat around your waist mainly then your diet is bad. lol no
Elijah Moore
Yeah but there might be some correlation between that and insulin resistance (aka constantly having spiked blood sugar by bad diet and meal timings)
Luis Sanchez
>I've been working out for 8 years now Post body.
Jacob Roberts
>you don't need deadlifts >stop trying to get "big" Sounds like a good way to get your noob gains and never make progress. Can you even squat 4 pl8 after 8 years?
Elijah Perry
>don’t ever keep trying to push new goals once you’ve succeeded your old ones trust me that won’t make you happy
t. Someone who isn’t happy or successful
Angel Morgan
Post body.
William Nelson
Sandy vagina
Levi Johnson
maybe try actual fitness goals instead of becoming a muscle-obese bloatmaxer. maybe try leading an actually healthy lifestyle.
Henry Long
post body
Wyatt Carter
>stop trying to get "big" shoo shoo
Luke Jackson
I never said anything of those things you projecting faggot, kill yourself.
Noah Wright
Tlthis guy here: Is actually right. Genetics are hormones are the only things that can change fat distribution. Too much insulin and too much cortisol shift fat distribution to your belly. I know this for a fact to be true because after I switched to a low carb diet and cured my type 2 beetus my fat distribution returned to normal. I used to be one of those skinny guys with a fat belly, think Dale Gribble from king of the hill. Literally 90% of my fat was in my stomach and now it's completely even.
Cooper Carter
I've been lifting just over 3 years now and solely trained for powerlifting (i.e. getting big). My S/B/D are 445/270 paused/525 now at 181 bw. Eventually I want to get up to 205. As long as you bulk slowly and cut occasionally there is nothing wrong with trying to get big.
You're coming across as someone who has had a few failed bulks because you probably did it too quickly, then realized after you lost ab definition that you were actually small and looked like shit.
I'm not grandstanding, I'm just saying lifting to get big is not bad for your health if you do it right. OP sounds like he is just giving up on achieving goals of getting stronger.
Also if you think I look bad for 3 years natty, then I have some bad news for you lads.
Carson Young
>no deadlifts How about you actually start lifting after you've waited all these years?
Gavin Green
But you're not big, so what do you know?
Benjamin Moore
If people won't post their body, it's safe to assume they're sub 3 pl8 squatters talking shit.
Also this
Cameron Hall
>If people won't post their body, it's safe to assume they're sub 3 pl8 squatters talking shit.
Oh god, you're not even kidding, you fucking swallowed the meme bait and you're looking for more.
>Posting body with face on a anonymous Inuit seal hunting board. LETS DO IT, REDDIT
Nolan Brown
same, except make the guy on the right skinnier, and the girl he's with fatter
it hurts, bros
Cameron Gutierrez
I didn't say I was big. I said I lift to get big. And I'm a lot bigger than I was when I started. If I can pull 525 and still look this DYEL, then how much do you deadlift? Got that 6 pl8 pull yet?
(Not him) > If I can pull 525 and still look this DYEL So you're like every other shitty failed power lifter? It's almost like practicing the big three in a low rep range doesn't do much for muscle building. Who would have thought?
I don't know why you retards are let out of your containment thread, let alone 'allowed' to trip fag and fuck up the site gay videos of yourself hitting weak PRs. Go back to literally any other website besides here.
Wyatt Harris
For a natty muscle mass and strength are highly correlated. If you think otherwise, you don't even lift.
Why don't you go jerk off to dudes in CBT abusing lighting and angles to look big when they're 6' 160 lbs and look like twigs with a shirt on?
Jonathan Roberts
>For a natty muscle mass and strength are highly correlated. I guess that's why there's 120 pound girls who can bench press 300 pounds. It's correlated. It's not "highly correlated". There's ten thousand power lifters that don't look like they lift. It's objectively terrible for hypertrophy, unless you also train in the higher rep ranges for mass.
>Why don't you go jerk off to dudes in CBT abusing lighting and angles to look big when they're 6' 160 lbs and look like twigs with a shirt on? Why are you projecting your gay little fantasy on me when I clearly disagree with anyone treating this site like their Instagram page?
I feel bad for roasting you, but you /plg/ retards should really stay in your thread.
Luke Peterson
Different people will have different leverages and muscle insertions that allow them to lift more, but for a given person if they had more muscle mass, they would be stronger.
Also Jen Thompson is a freak of nature with crazy pec insertions and most girls can't even come close to touching her bench.
People like you and OP are why most people into lifting never make it past the beginner stages because they just keep doing their sets of 8-12 and won't bulk without crying about losing their abs.
Anthony James
>a given person if they had more muscle mass, they would be stronger. Which no one is denying. You completely misunderstand what a 'high(close) correlation' is. If it was closely correlated, you wouldn't be able to put 150+ pounds on your bench press within the first few months of lifting through CNS strength gains. Strength is mostly CNS influenced by muscle. It's why chimps having near the same amount of muscle mass as a human can tear your face and limbs apart.
>People like you and OP are why most people into lifting never make it past the beginner stages because they just keep doing their sets of 8-12 and won't bulk without crying about losing their abs. Why do you keep projecting these nonsensical points on to me? You, in all honestly, look like shit for lifting for three years. I'm not saying this to troll you, but I think you should stop trip fagging and talking from a point of authority until you at least start to look better. I'm not sure if you saw that faggot Boardshorts shit posting and thought it was a good idea for yourself, but it's not.
Brayden Johnson
pissening
Brody Mitchell
How does this not look good? This entire board is completely and utterly fucked in the head. No wonder you all have body dysmorphic disorder if you think this is literally DYEL tier
Julian Foster
this
Dude is strong and in good shape
Jow Forums has had their expectations ruined by worshiping too many roiders.
They also don't understand the concept pf genetic limit
Lucas Carter
Past beginner stages CNS gains are negligible for strength. Also if you think I look like shit you either place too much emphasis on really low body fat or you don't have realistic standards. I guarantee if I cut 10 more lbs and took pics in down lighting I would look better than 99.9% of this board.
Christian Jackson
Stop dude. You're just bumping the thread so more people will come in and mock you. You don't or can't look better than 99.9% of this board. You've maybe put on 15 or 20 pounds of muscle since you started lifting instead of the 30 you would have normally in three years. You have what, 15" biceps, 26" thighs at 15%+ body fat? That isn't good at all. You should have an FFMI of at least 23 at this point. Your chest is completely undeveloped.
You basically have the body of someone who lifted for a year. You can pretend everyone in this thread are 'jealous haters', or whatever you tell yourself, or you can join us in reality.
>Past beginner stages CNS gains are negligible for strength. That's not true. CNS gains accounts for a lot of the strength gains of people past the beginner or intimidate stages getting stronger without developing any more muscle.
Evan Fisher
Post body.
Christian Thomas
This desu
Jace Taylor
Is that you Boardshits? I honestly don't know who else would jump in to defend the other person. It must be another powerlifting retard.
Are you denying the above facts? That you haven't put on more than 20 pounds of muscle? By what objective measure do you honestly think you look good? There's non-lifters with bigger thighs and arms than you.
Henry Barnes
>The fitness industry by and large does not want you to succeed. Your failure is money in their pocket and keeps the industry alive. The industry is worth billions, an industry for something so simple as getting in shape
Right... and yet creatine, the only worthwhile supplement, costs like $5 a month
Charles Roberts
No, I just think it's absolutely hilarious you could make the above post without posting your body. Your words mean nothing whatsoever if you don't post the evidence to back it up. Prove to use that he can and should look bigger.
Ryder Brown
How does that contradict what he said? Don't ever post again you retarded troglodyte. Learn how to think.
Aaron Scott
I do have a shit bench press (i.e. small chest and arms). 270 paused after 3 years isn't good compared to my squat and deadlift. But my legs and back are pretty fucking good tbqhfam. Also I was 30 lbs lighter 3 years ago. Different people start at different points.
I don't think I look great and I don't think I'm even close to the natty limit or anything, but I still think I look better than the vast majority who are at 3 years or less.
Camden Roberts
You look like shit
Evan Campbell
>tripfag makes the thread about himself
Classic
Brody Bell
Well that's it guys. I've been working out for 8 years now. In that time I've learnt a lot. One thing I can say is, stop trying to get "lean". Once you are a BEAR MODE, that's all you need. Gains > abs.
Continuously trying to be lean will lead you down a never ending path. You will never be happy. Stop looking at the scale, instead aim for MAXBLOAT.
5 years in for me. You're 100% right. It's fun to see how big you can get at first. Though after recent years I've kept going solely because of the mental gains. Exercise, cardio especially, is God tier for your mind. As far as being fit goes, if you're lean and moderately strong, you'll look great.
Really it boils down to whatever keeps you going. If someone exercises every day for 10 years just to see if he can do one more pull up each month, that's fine.
Based twinklex. Btw I was user that asked about physique in plg. I wouldn't say that you are 11 %, more like 14-15%.
Daniel Young
OP is a moron anyway He's been lifting for 8 years and still hasn't realized benchpress is garbage
James Perry
Good desu, that means I have more room to fill out my weight class at low bf. I do look pretty lean in down lighting though but 11-12% might be an underestimate.
I won't post a full photo but here are my legs after about six months lifting. I did three months a few years ago and then stopped before starting back up. This photo was about three months after starting again. They were about 26.5" here, which should be comparable to the other poster.
I obviously have good leg genetics and always carried a fair amount of muscle on my legs, but that serves the point that a natural lifter with good genetics will develop quickly, at around 20-25 pounds of muscle for their first year. There's a lot of people with good genetics out there, far more than the .01 percent that he proclaims.
>I still think I look better than the vast majority who are at 3 years or less. You said 99.9%, with proper lighting and if you cut weight. No one should claim authority on any subject because what they look like. It's stupid and favors people who don't know what they are talking about but have decent genetics.
I am in the same situation, hoping to fill 83s then 90s in a few years. Maybe I'll reach fabled 3 plate bench then (lifts are 150 kg high bar for 3 reps, 230 kg dl and 120 kg :( bench at lean 85 kg).
Cameron Howard
>having legs like a obese woman >not doing calve raises HAHAHAHA.
Fuuuuck off with that shit. I don’t want to get ”aesthetic”, I want to get BIG and STRONG!
Isaac Anderson
You look better than 90% of people that actually post their bodies on Jow Forums
Leo Ramirez
Weak bait, that's just how legs look on tall naturals unless they are sub 12% body fat. They don't stick out at the quad much like on manlets. Steeve Reeves is a good example of this.
That's the problem with all the 'post your body' posters. Nothing is ever good enough because you're all insecure egotistical faggots who refuse to use any objective measure and instead are delusional about what they look like. Most of them don't even post their own body.
Now, post your legs for comparison. You asked me to post mine, I did and now it's your turn, you obnoxious faggot.
Oliver Morales
Good shit, user. Just keep going and we'll get there. One day I'll fill out 93.
Evan Diaz
He is strong and looks good, but I expected more from a person who lifts for 3 years.
Carson Bell
Genoa junior over here
Kayden Carter
We'll make it. Just gotta fill out upper body limbs as you can see.
is this a nose piercing or just some kind of a third world disease?
Lincoln Nguyen
You look as good as I did in my prime and I never lifted heavy. Max was 2.5 pl8 squat and 3.5 dead. Benching is a meme for widebois like me. Training for whatever is fine, but you need health over aesthetics which is what I think the retarded OP was trying to say. You might get to 4 pl8 squat when you're 22, but the likelihood you'll be walking anywhere fast in your 60s is highly unlikely because your joints aren't going to get better with age. Honestly why have this debate? Lift for yourself, and your physical and mental health. You wanna be big? Run a gram of test half a gram of tren and go lift baby weights for like 9,000 reps.
Honestly why are you bothering? Maybe 1% of the posters on this shit board even lift or work out in any meaningful capacity.
You're going to post a 6pl8 dl and some faggot will just post >lmao 6pl8 when he knows he'll never even come close.
This isn't a fitness board, it's a board for geeks who've boned up on their broscience to re-hash their Mac vs PC arguments with a different skin.
Mason Smith
>everyone screaming DYEL at tripfag >he posts body >no one else does, just keep screaming God this board sucks. The only thing I hold against you is tripfagging
What the fuck is wrong with you? So you have a disorder or something? I unironically look better than you at 10 months of lifting. Also my bench PR is 240 at 10 months vs your 270 at 36... I weigh the same as you, but your genetics are just garbage, Jesus
Kevin Carter
Do certain foods go to your waist? Which ones if so muh man.
Cool dude. Tell us about your girlfriend in Canada (who's a model by the way) while you're at it.
Leo Harris
The ones that put you over your caloric requirements.
Zachary Jackson
Cool dude, thanks for telling me I have genetics good enough to make shits like you question their authenticity. Stay at the ground, I am your god shit genetic faggot
>good genetics >posts on Jow Forums Yeah okay buddy
Lincoln Flores
you sound like a faggot, suck my natty dick
Connor Baker
Thats impressive as fuck, how did you do this?
Christian Garcia
Does a low carb diet actually reduce stomach fat (An user above cites coristol and insulin levels)? I'm ethnically predisposed to storing fat on my stomach.
