Anyone else just hate/not care about everything? I don't know what I want from life

God, this is the dumbest normie shit I've ever read. If he wants to end it who gives a shit, there are people who will just never be happy and maybe he's one of them.

So what? If your head is full of shit you need something clean it up. I always use the potassium permanganate analogy but bleach works as well.

They're complete poison. Every reputable study ever done has found that they're no more effective than placebos. I made the mistake of taking antidepressants for a few years and I'm still dealing with lingering side effects, most of which are probably going to be permanent, nearly ten years after I stopped taking them.

Depression is a sign from your body that something in your life is wrong. It could be physical - poor nutrition, lack of exercise, lack of sleep. It could be mental - a string of bad events in your life or negative mental habits and thought spirals. It is NEVER some magical, random "brain chemistry" that is making you depressed even though there it no real cause for it. It is never something that can be fixed with a pill and it will only ever be fixed by discovering its source and dealing with it.

>If you don't wanna live definitely consider a more effective way out.

>people have been successfully killing themselves with partial suspension hanging for countless centuries
>all you need is a belt and something to tie it to
>this is the entire reason why your belt is taken when you're put in jail - because it's such a simple and effective method of suicide
>mfw dumb normie niggers like this guy think they know shit about suicide methods

you on the left
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Does it make it any less of a will to die if you're completely fine about doing it like that but would be too nervous to actually hang mid-air? The feeling of everything going black and tingly is kinda nice desu.

What kind of side effects?

>Every reputable study ever done has found that they're no more effective than placebos
>I'm still dealing with lingering side effects
Nice contradiction here
> It could be physical - poor nutrition, lack of exercise, lack of sleep. It could be mental - a string of bad events in your life or negative mental habits and thought spirals.
>It is NEVER some magical, random "brain chemistry"
I'm laughing for real right now.
>It is never something that can be fixed with a pill and it will only ever be fixed by discovering its source and dealing with it.
Yeah, you can't cure "fake depression" because there's no such illness. If you're feeling down like a roastie that broke her nail that doesn't make you depressed. Actual depression can be seen in EEG and PET brain scans, it can and it was cured by pills. You never was in mental ward and never actually took any medication. Stop spouting garbage and making fool out of yourself you absolute nigger.

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I feel ya

idk either its not like im even depressed its just kinda a meh feeling

That was my problem with school. I just didn't care about anything.
Now all that's left is nigger-tier slave work or suicide.
What the fuck is this life?

Ikr we are just thrown into this world as meat propped up with calcium sticks to larp.

I've reached a point were I don't hate anything either, just try to accept things as they are and go on from there, it's easier.

life can be gayy

I get nauseous/motion sick really easily. Got very nauseous for a week or so when I stopped taking my pills and even ten years later, it occasionally flares up from things that never caused it previously - certain video games, roller coasters, holding my head at the wrong angle while being a passenger in a car. My pills made me sleep a lot, and for long amounts of time. Since I stopped taking them, I have moderate insomnia which has not responded to anything I've tried to do to fix it and I've tried just about everything. Takes me anywhere from 20 minutes to three hours to fall asleep at night. This was never a problem before I started taking antidepressants.

>Nice contradiction here
They're no more effective than placebos at combating depression, you brainlet. That doesn't mean that they're literal placebos and have no effect on your body.

>the rest of your post
Son, I've been a practicing psychiatrist for a little over a decade. I got into the field because I'd been deeply depressed for most of my life and wanted to understand it. I was on antidepressants while I wrote my thesis. I learned, both through my own experience and through my research and clinical practice, that antidepressants are at very best something to be used as a crutch. They do not and will never "cure" anything. The only reason to ever use them and the only reason I ever prescribe them is to seriously suicidal patients in order to keep them alive long enough for them to discover the cause of their depression and address it.

There is ALWAYS a cause for depression and it is NEVER just random brain chemistry. Aside from the incredibly long list of side effects and the incredibly low efficacy of antidepressants, they're useless because they do absolutely nothing to address the root cause of depression. They give people a false sense of safety.

>are at very best something to be used as a crutch. They do not and will never "cure" anything
Not him but that's exactly how they work. Some people need to use them as a crutch/bandaid for long periods of time. Nobody should be claiming they're an EZ fits-all permanent fix.

I was prescribed Effexor and Adderal. I chose to go off all medicines for a month without telling my doctor. And you're right, I still accomplished things. I feel I could go on perfectly fine without them. But I do feel the childlike desire to pursue interests and stay committed longer. Yesterday I was in bed all day educating myself on all the school from 8-12th grade I missed. Did I have the fucks to give without meds? Partly, but not like that.

At the same time I dislike them being I don't feel like my genuine self. It's a tradeoff for those who need to function well for society and others.

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Go big, or go home. AKA the neck has to be broken.

You just have to constrict the carotid arteries I believe

Anhedonia probably just took most of joys from you, this is normal for late stage depression.

this is peak normie garbage and is meaningless

>Son, I've been a practicing psychiatrist for a little over a decade.
Yet you don't know simple shit that medical students learn at second year of their education and spout shit like
>It is NEVER some magical, random "brain chemistry"
that can easily lose you a MD license in my country if you're retarded enough to say it out loud with colleagues nearby.
You also implied in that exact post that nutrition, exercise or sleep isn't related to brain chemistry which is absolutely blasphemous. Doctorates of old are spinning in their graves!

>I get nauseous/motion sick really easily. Got very nauseous for a week or so when I stopped taking my pills and even ten years later, it occasionally flares up from things that never caused it previously - certain video games, roller coasters, holding my head at the wrong angle while being a passenger in a car.
Rip cerebellum.

t. have same issues since birth

>Some people need to use them as a crutch/bandaid for long periods of time.
That's not how a crutch works. You use it for as short a time as possible while you fix the problems that require you to use it because, in the case of antidepressants, the "crutch" is doing severe and potentially irreversible damage to your brain.

>Effexor
Studies have repeatedly shown venlafaxine to increase suicide risk by statistically significant amounts when compared to NO TREATMENT. As with many other antidepressants, if you are suicidal then you are less likely to kill yourself if you get no treatment whatsoever than if you start taking venlafaxine.

>that can easily lose you a MD license in my country if you're retarded enough to say it out loud with colleagues nearby.
It must be a sad to live in a country where speaking the truth can cause you to lose your license. There is always, ALWAYS a root cause for depression. It does not just pop up out of nowhere. There exists nowhere on this planet a healthy person with a healthy life who nonetheless suffers from depression. Every single case of depression has a real cause and I have authored numerous papers on this theme since, thankfully, I live in a country where research and study is encouraged.

>You also implied in that exact post that nutrition, exercise or sleep isn't related to brain chemistry
I did no such thing. I am not using technical terms because we're not having a technical discussion and I assume I'm not speaking to other psychiatrists. You and I both know perfectly well that many people and, judging from what I've seen in threads like these, most people on this board, seem to view depression as a causeless curse that simply descends on them at random because they're just genetically disposed to be sad. The point I'm making here is that there is always a REASON for depression.

(cont.)

If you are depressed because you spend 6 hours a day sitting in front of a computer screen and are extremely sedentary then yes, you can take antidepressants (or be prescribed a placebo) and some of your symptoms will likely improve. You can and will continue your same unhealthy lifestyle without worry. But you're not fixing them problem, you're just covering it up and it will continue to worsen and spread and the longer you ignore it (now easier with the help of pills!) the harder it will be to fix.

I have long suspected that this is one of the primary reasons why so many common antidepressants tend to increase suicide risk in the long run. They give their users a false sense of security and they allow their underlying problems to grow and fester until they finally burst out into the open and seem so overwhelming that suicide appears to be the only way out.

Every case of depression can be cured, truly cured, by identifying the root causes and treating them. And the root cause is always something that can be fixed via lifestyle changes or behavioral therapy. It is NEVER something that can be fixed by a pill alone and no antidepressant has ever cured depression.

>There is always, ALWAYS a root cause for depression. It does not just pop up out of nowhere.
I never said otherwise, nigger.

>most people on this board, seem to view depression as a causeless curse
Endogenous cause =/= no cause
I don't know if you had any cases in your practice but some people simply can't be cured with therapy. This is what infuriated my about your post. Some people have to spend literal months trying to find medicine that fits them and have minimal side effects to simply function as a regular human being. And you come here on anonymous imageboard and discard a whole fucking science field claiming that drugs are placebos because you got bad compatibility with medicine.

nice timeget originally

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If I had Doric-amazon Krata at my side, I could rule the fucking universe.

Imagine being this much of a normalfag

Heard about you over at ace.mu.nu comments, shrink dude. You are doing G-d's work here. Thank you. I mean it.

>falling for the pill jew
I'd rather be unhappy and have the ability to think rather than happy and pill dependent

Modern people are ruined in ruins.
It's scarringly depressive to watch tv or check up on popular opinions, from politics to icecream. I can't be bothered to participate in a world that wants to fuck me over.

>I never said otherwise, nigger.
If there is a real root cause for depression then why are you so fixated on treating it with drugs? Why not just treat the root cause directly?

>And you come here on anonymous imageboard and discard a whole fucking science field claiming that drugs are placebos because you got bad compatibility with medicine.
I've given you a lot more reason than that and your refusal to address anything but the same sad strawman makes me think you're just a devoted troll. But regardless of whether you're a poor troll or if you've done some light research in this area and actually think you know what you're talking about, the fact remains that the chemical imbalance theory of depression is deeply flawed and best and I would be very surprised if the serotonin theory isn't proven to be completely wrong in the next decade or two.

And again, I haven't said that SSRIs are placebos. I've said that when it comes to combating depression, they're no more effective than placebos. They're certainly not placebos when it comes to their incredibly large range of side effects, the most important of which is that most of them INCREASE SUICIDE RISK when compared to no treatment or placebo. Add to this a huge list of side effects (loss of appetite, dizziness, fatigue, sexual dysfunction, hypertension, hepatic failure, increased incidence of mydriasis, etc etc etc) and one begins to wonder if the risks are worth the benefits, especially when there is very active debate over whether or not there even are any benefits but no debate over the fact of the numerous drawbacks of these drugs.

I'm sorry your doctors have convinced you that you "can't function" without your pills. It's truly sad when I encounter people who have been told similar things because it often takes a long amount of time simply to convince them that they have been misled before we can begin to work on actually fixing their problems.

I just want to watch anime and play vidya

I know that Jow Forums is allergic to the suggestion that any of their problems might be fixable by their own actions but that's how depression works. It's a warning signal from your brain, telling you, "Hey, something's wrong and you need to fix it." Finding out what that something might be can be a complicated task. It can be a huge variety of things and is almost certainly a combination of multiple things. But they're still real things and they're all things that can be fixed.

Depression is no different than any other kind of pain. If you dislocate your ankle then sure, you can take a bunch of painkillers and keep limping around but it's not going to magically fix itself just because you've masked the problem with pills. You need to manipulate the joint back into position if you want it to heal. It's a painful process and it certainly can help to take painkillers during it but you'd think your doctor was crazy if he looked at your dislocated ankle and just told you to keep taking your painkillers infinitely, right?

It's the same thing with antidepressants. They can sometimes be useful if used very briefly to help you deal with the pain and difficulty of manipulating your life habits or negative thought pattens back to a healthier place but the goal should always be to stop taking them as soon as possible because, like painkillers, they're pretty bad for you and the longer you take them, the worse the side effects become. Taking them for years on end is incredibly bad for you and I'd really love to see incompetent doctors prevented from continuing their practice when they have their patients on these drugs for extended periods without giving them any real help. I've had patients come to me who have been on antidepressants for 10, 15, 20 years. Once we address the roots of their depression then just the process of tapering off their drug usage often requires additional new drugs because the discontinuation syndrome is so nasty after being on them so long.

I wouldn't have thought that I was here often enough to have people remember me. It's rare for me to come across a mental illness thread and actually have the time to sit and respond for an hour or two.

I'm 34 years old and have had hundreds of hobbies, several jobs, several people in and out of my life, tried thousands of things and nothing has worked, not the gym, not pills, not stopping vidya, nothing.
Just because normalfags get better when they just bee themselves doesn't mean anyone else will.

Literally brainwashing designed to bluepill disillusioned people and bring them back to the mainstream
>What do you mean the modern world is fucked and life is meaningless, goyim? Take these pills and have some fun!!!
I wonder (((who))) could be behind this

but goyim don't you want to be social and successful?