All arguments made to discriminate against non virgin women are nothing but strawman analogies made by men who don't...

It's funny how only virgins and coping women believe the meme does not have a strong basis in reality.
It might be genetics but even so, scar tissue does form on the inner labia and the skin does darken after lots of friction, stretching and irritation from latex and/or other irritants.

I have experienced the subtle changes in 4 different women (1+ year relationships) and I have had others tell me the same thing.
The pussy does change after prolonged heavy use.

My answer to this topic will always be the same.

I don't think I've ever seen an argument about the importance of virginity where the workings of female genitalia were relevant. Maybe the microchimerism one, but I don't think anyone took that seriously.

>change my mind
Pairbonding, as simple as that.

Define heavy use.

im not implying a daamn thing, idc if you washed the cup, its still groce. if youd still drink out of a cup your buddy cums into but washes, youre a huge homo

How does past sexual experiences effect pair bonding. Please refer me to any scientific studies done on this topic.

>tfw to inteligned 2 have secks

Daily sex, 2-3 times a day some days. I have a ridiculously high sex drive and it's one of the reasons most of my relationships end prematurely.

I wont even go into oxytocin release in the hypothalamus and nucleus accumbens (as a NT) to facilitate LTP in the mesolimbic pathway. 99% of you are too stupid to even follow basic neuroscience.

if you don't believe it, then Good luck to you and Godspeed on your path to roastbeef my friend

>But why?
Because I unironically believe in the "no sex until marriage" thing and believe that porn and casual sex has ruined true intimacy
Sex is not merely a physical bond, but an emotional one

>I wont even go into oxytocin release.....

Do you have any scientific proof or studies to show me that prove this?

Terrible bait my guy what's the point of writing this

It's readily available on wikipedia you 12 year old boomer. It's neurosci 101 on peptide hormones and the reward system. Fucking christ.

changes after age(just like the rest of the body), not after prolonged heavy use

>I won't provide any sources to support my argument because you're all too stupid!
Pathetic

The topic of this thread is change my mind. Are you not intelligent enough to do that? Are you uncaring? If so why post? Or are you just spouting buzzwords with no actual proof?

This desu.

Dude you can't say that, you'll offend the people I mean gawd there's like no difference between males and females and neuroscience is a white supremacist invention you patriarchal shitlord /s
But for real you won't convince them, sorry bro.

Do you really think I am invested enough to scour the internet or scan my ICD-10 copy and computational models just to prove my premise to a random dude on the internet?

It's the internet, if you are interested just read up on wikipedia. Or if you are an illiterate fuck, just listen to Sapolsky's lectures(stanford uni) where he goes into it in depth.

12 year old boomer got me hard thanks for the laugh

>I totally have sources I'm just too lazy to post them
This is no way to argue. Provide a specific paper supporting your initial argument.

"You're dumb and have no evidence because I'm too lazy to learn anything"
>t. enlightened rationalist

Whatever guy, just explain how any of that is relevant to how a non virgin woman is worse then a virgin woman, that is, if you're actually as smart as you portray yourself.

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>wanting proof is a bad thing in 2018

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THIS ISNT FUCKING REDDIT
YOUR CHANGE MY MIND MEME IS SHIT

You could be absolutely spammed with sources and you wouldn't be convinced of anything because the only reason you even made this thread was to try to assert your bias to yourself and everyone else.

>literally an appeal to futility fallacy
Top jej

Give us sources fucker or shut up
If you want to present an argument be ready to back it up
I am not doing the work for you
Find evidenc yourself

I'm not even OP. I just don't like people arguing without ever backing up what they say, no matter the topic.

>I am literally so fucking lazy I'm going to make random strangers on a Chinese cartoon website fetch me a source rather than use Google myself

Look it up yourself, google will btfo if you just type in the words faggot

There are 2 dopaminergic receptors at play when it comes to mating strategies. D1 and D2 receptors in the nucleus accumben of the reward system. Oxytocin is upregulated in the reward system and acts as a neurotransmitter in certain circumstances. One being, sexual arousal. Dopamine binds with the D2 receptor immediately into a sexual encounter and gets to ~400 mol. Oxytocin is released but there is very high reuptake. Dopamine binds to D1 only during frequent encounters with the same satelite stimuli and it stays at 200-400 mol for up to 6 months. Oxytocin stays in the reward system and is upregulated since there is little to no reuptake. The whole process promotes vasopressin and oxytocin release in the hypothalamus as well, which reinforces LTP in the whole of the mesolimbic pathway neuronal networks that respond to the relevant stimuli AND the parietal lobe.

You understood nothing and you effectively wasted my time.

>provide sources
>LEL THOSE SOURCES R BAD TRY AGAIN U DISHONEST FUQBOI
Why would I do anything but mock you instead if you'll never believe me? Good luck with your used-up sluts

>Give me evidence
>I won't give you evidence just look it up
>No give me evidence
You're both retarded

I also don't like technologically inept retards who would rather demand strangers on a forum provide sources rather than look them up themselves then decide on the truth from there. Don't you think that would be more efficient, rather than whipping yourself up into an angry ideological frenzy?

>ad hominem
Before you post just think to yourself, is this post free of any logical fallacies, if not, than try again.

Now how is any of this relevant to non virgin women being worse then virgin women.

Nah, I agree with you. There is no difference between taking one cock, or even a dildo, 100 times or having sex with 100 cocks one time each. Also the vagina is a muscle... the more you use it the tighter it is. In actuality sluts are, if anything, tighter than virgins. Women can also "fake" tightness by clenching the vagina muscles during sex, I do this when I want the guy to cum faster.
>muh pair bonding
Literally not a thing. Throughout history most couples have fucking despised each other, that's the reality of marriage. Especially when you factor in that through 98% of human history women didn't have a choice in who they married, and were probably wed to some fat middle aged asshole.

Long story short. If you develop a preference for D2 dopamine donding, then you get a sensitization and inhibited release of oxytocin. Due to neural facilitation, oxytocin in the hypothalamus is inhibited as well. Effectively inhibiting oxytocin in utero and mammary glans during pregnancy, labor and embryogenesis.

The woman fails to pair-bond with her partner and her pair-bond with her offspring in greatly diminished. The latter has only been tested in rats and Rhesus monkeys.

>asking someone to provide sources for their claims is angry ideological frenzy

Virginity is sacred. Something to keep safe like a lucky coin or family heirloom. You wouldnt give something sacred away to just anyone. Virginity is an extension of your self. Disregarding it so easily the way a woman does is what makes her a scummy whore in the first place. She has no respect for herself or anything in this world because she only cares about instant gratifcation and lust. A woman who has slept with multiple partners is needless to say a disgusting slut, but even a woman who has only given herself away to a single man because she thought it was love is just as worse off because she is stupid and fell for sweet nothings that are almost always lies, and she will leave as used goods looking for a man who wont hurt her like the last time. We are not here to clean up a womans shit. She made her bed now she can lie in it. Women who have bad judgement should be avoided like a fire or walking into traffic and a non virgin woman is telltale sign that she is nothing more than a walking disposable cum bag. Now you can decide if that changes your mind, but the point remains the regardless. Women know that they are disgusting whores and are only trying to convince themselves otherwise when they come up with a million different excuses or why its alright. Dont fall for that bullshit.

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>virginity is sacred
Stopped reading there.

All arguments claiming brain chemicals and other meaningless shit are pointless.

In terms of these brain chemicals and shit you type about that would make them uncaring, you're completely disregarding the mental health of the individual women, there are many more actually important factors when determining her capability of mothering her children or being a good partner.

Also even if these studies were true, which they aren't, masturbation would have the same effect on women, which it doesn't.

So basically, you're argument is shit.

A whole post full of nothing of value. God, I despise stupid people with a passion. Yikes.

>ad hominem
You have no arguments based in reality.

You unironically think that masturbation is the same as sex, neurologically, endocrinologically and neurochemically. You dont deserve a real answer.

That's why I didnt even want to get into it, your kind's arrogance disgusts me.

It is the same, prove me wrong

>men say men sleeping around is fine
>these same men foam at the mouth if a woman sleeps around
Basically they want their cake and to eat it as well. So they want slutty girls to fuck them on the side, while they look down on these very same girls and degrade them as "shitty locks". And they want a virgin waifu, who they degrade by exposing her to their manslut cock and not being as loyal to her as they expect her to be to them.
Conclusion: men are pieces of shit. Oh, by the way, I always lie about my numbers and you sad saps believe me. All men should be locked in chastity cages upon puberty, until sold by their mothers to an older, experienced wife.

so if i never slept with a girl, me wanting a virgin wife is okay, okay then im justified

Reminder that all virgins should respect women by censoring their private areas!

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I don't want STDs, change my mind.

is the same kind of people who defends anal sex

I'm assuming you're the same autist who spouted all the bullshit you heard in a lecture once.
Dopamine is released during many other activities, as it is generally related to people feeling what they call "happiness" dopamine resistance would build up with all of these other encounters with happiness aswell, as someone stated earlier it's generally just what happens when you get older. Look at all of the 30+ year old virgins on this board who can no longer derive sexual pleasure despite having no sexual encounters.
Also when you're bearing the burden of proof, you are obligated to bring sources, and a way to explain them, which you haven't demonstrated yet.
Funniest of all is that if we had figured out the brain as well as you think we have, we would be able to easily cure depression, shit just doesn't work that way.
Tldr shut up retard

Depends if you're incel or volcel.

I have several well thought out arguments that are backed by science and statistics (with many sources) but I don't need them.
"I don't want a slut because I don't."
It's a visceral hindbrain response to something many men perceive as a poor trait in a partner - nothing to do with a poor understanding of female genitals or a 'strawman' (you seem to be confused about what that term means).

You bring up dopamine while the whole onus of my assertion was oxytocin, dopamine is merely the NT that facilitates the release of the hormone.

We know how to cure depression, the thing is it's multifaceted and we lack the means to ascertain the specifics of each individual case.

>I'm assuming you're the same autist who spouted all the bullshit you heard in a lecture once.
You are assuming incorrectly, I have 2 MSc in relevant disciplines and I am a PhD candidate.

I have given enough information that a simple google search would be more than sufficient to elucidate any questions or qualms you might have about the subject matter, but you are not willing to exert any effort because you are not that interested. You having to challenge your presupposed woldviews takes energy you simply dont have or are not willing to give up.

That is why despise having to spoonfeed your kind. You are in it to sate your boredom, like barely sentient husks.

You have facilitated your argument un-clearly and proven nothing apart from your ability to memorise or read a Wikipedia page, if this was an essay titled "Why it is scientifically advantageous for a partner (female) to be a virgin or sexually inexperienced" You would get a low grade, because your argument is near on non-existent, you have just memorised a lot of information with no application. Long story short, you have a dull mind that is good at memorising but poor at implementing or creating.

You cant facilitate an argument you illiterate hack.
My assertion is pretty succinct. Number of sexual partners has a strong correlation with lower oxytocin production due to downregulation and sensitization in the CNS and PSNS. Even people with predisposition to D2 receptor affinity dont exhibit those endocrinological traits, making them valid controlls.

You can challenge the merits of my assertions based on the lack of sourced material but if you challenge the formulation of it, then that's a demerit for you, not me.

My challenge is not your neurological argument, I am not qualified to contest what you are saying since I have not researched it further than at a juvenile level. My challenge is that you are clearly incapable of expressing your argument in a lucid format (which is not particularly difficult, complex biology and physics is watered down constantly without losing the overall point) the fact you are incapable to do this rises 1 of two conclusions;

A: that you do not understand the base content well enough to make a clear conclusion which is comprehensible.

or

B: that you lack the cognitive ability to do anything other than memorise and recite (which I think is far more likely than the former). I have met many of your "kind" as you so likely label people in my graduate school and I promise you, your ego and your inability to communicate effectively will cause you more trouble academically than just losing arguments on Jow Forums.

>if a woman has a lot of sex it automatically means she has an STI
ok

>your ego and your inability to communicate effectively will cause you more trouble academically than just losing arguments on Jow Forums
Nah, I am doing pretty okay. Thanks for the concern.

As for your word vomit, anyone with an IQ higher than koko the gorilla should have no issues understanding the jist of my assertion. So I will have to go with option C: You are projecting because you fail to follow elementary notions like basic neuroscience.

>I am a PhD candidate.
Even better, you seem to have stumbled upon groundbreaking evidence to support claims that go against everything were taught in American society, despite just being a student. This board could be used as an example in your thesis to get said PhD in whatever you're perusing. I'm sure that you would easily receive millions in grants, especially from Christian academies, to research more into your pro-abstenance teachings. You would basically get a free pass through life if you were able to prove what you're preaching. Yet you can't. Why do you think that is?
Sidenote, satiating my boredom is fun, and I like to argue with people online. This does not mean I'm stubborn in my beliefs, I always try to keep an open mind, and if you can prove to me that you are correct, I have no problem backing you. However, I can still keep my doubts about you beforehand.

My PhD is in computational neuroscience. Phylogenetics in algorithmic models via simulated tournament evolution.

I am not preaching abstinence. Humans have been a tournament species ever since the early hominid days of homo habilis 1500000 years ago. Social monogamy is a recent strategy (est. 7500-9000 years). I am simply making the observation and since it carries ramifications in my quality of life and risk, I choose to limit my exposure.

It's as simple as that. If you want to whore around I am sure you will find plenty of people that are a-ok with the associated risk.

It is a complete and utter nonesense.
Are jokes*

You only get one and she leaves you...
LOL

This tbqhwy my familia

By basic, you mean first year college level which the minority of people have. You say I am projecting yet you bring up IQ despite it having nothing to do with ones knowledge of Neurological Jargon. I understood your argument by looking at some basic information about Oxytocin which gave a pretty simple overview and conclusion (as it should be with such "elementary" material, have you heard of Ockams razor?).

In honesty I gain nothing from writing this to you, but nothing frustrates me more than some uppity shirk who believes that they are the most intelligent human being on the planet for lambasting a page with esoteric knowledge and looking down on people who don't have said knowledge to the point of calling them "your kind". Here is a newsflash, you are not unique. I see so many of you at my university, interestingly you very rarely succeed at the graduate level, you will perform with mediocrity as people like you always do when you have to actually think, simply regurgitating textbook information without clarity isn't enough to get you good marks. But no matter, keep looking at everyone else with those condescending eyes, you will be the one who pays for it when you peak at 24.

I am already making 52k euro, which is not too shabby. I am doing okay, bud.
Even after I am done with my dissertation I will not work in academia, so your jab is hollow, I'm afraid.

>I choose to limit my exposure
>Daily sex 2-3 times a day... most of my relationships end prematurely
It doesn't seem like you're limiting your exposure...
At this point my previous argument still stands, it doesn't really matter what your PhD is, you provided a seemingly HEAVILY researched argument that overexposure to sexual experiences will inevitably give someone the same side effects as someone going through opioid withdrawals. If you could prove this you would be able to make millions, and open up many life paths you currently don't have available to you.
And I think you should know that we've evolved quite a bit from 1.5 million years ago, proving that social monogamy is the next logical step towards further evolution would change the path of the entire human race. You would be revered as a hero for millennia to come. And even if you're just in it to better your life, you should be able to prove what you live your life by, hopefully you aren't going by day by day, molding your life around a belief that you can't find proof to...
One last point, if the majority of society is a-ok with an associated risk, one could assume that the "risk" is at least very minimal, right?

Oh, then I have no ill will against you. I am sorry I got so angry about it, academia is becoming so flooded in recent years with people who just don't care about it that I have become cynical. I wish you all the best in your future endeavours my lad hopefully you get that 6 figure salary.

>It doesn't seem like you're limiting your exposure...
I am not exposing myself though, I have stopped getting emotionally invested in my relationships, or at least I limit my emotional involvement.

> overexposure to sexual experiences will inevitably give someone the same side effects as someone going through opioid withdrawals.
I have no idea how you even came to that conclusion. I dont think you know how opioids work. Dopamine levels from sex are ~400 units, while they are 1200 units from heroin, for example. It was never about dopamine. Dopamine is merely the facilitator of oxytocin in the nucleus accumbens, since the latter acts as a NT in the reward center and uses the same pathways and enters the ion channels with dopamine. There's nothing to prove, this has been known for 40 years now.
And I think you should know that we've evolved quite a bit from 1.5 million years ago, proving that social monogamy is the next logical step towards further evolution would change the path of the entire human race.
That's why are have the capacity for both tornament mating strategies and pair-bonding mating strategies. It all depends on dopaminergic receptor affinity. Other than that, not much has changed. We are still sexually dimorphic with asymmetrical mating strategies.

One last point, if the majority of society is a-ok with an associated risk, one could assume that the "risk" is at least very minimal, right?
Evidently it's not minimal, if you look at the divorce rates, suicide rates, developmental disorders due to single-parenthood, a plethora of hormonal disorders, many of which begin prenataly, social tensions between the genders, female happiness index plummeting in the last 20 years, increased alienation and celibacy amongst tested demographics, et cetera. It's all loosely correlated.

Im a girl and I always had roastflaps, Im still a virgin but even before I started masturbating I already had roastflaps. I have no idea if it changes a bit with use tho, just sharing my experience

It does not change, it's just incel memes.

Women who have a lot of sex can get gross looking beef flaps, I mean some women have fucking atrocious looking labia that hang really low. But it's incorrect to assume that all women have perfect pink coin-slot looking vaginas before they have sex, women all have different looking/shaped genitalia, like how men don't all have the same-looking penis, even if they're the same size.

Sluts hurt themselves:
>statistically, you're more prone to STDs
>statistically, you're more likely to be depressed
>women have a higher chance of being harmed by a potential sex partner, having many sexual partners shows lack of good thinking
>higher chance of being left suddenly/cheated on
>pregnancy scares
>turning 30 and finding out no one wants to marry you because of your past
>loose pussy full of warts

Sluts hurt their husbands:
>statistically, your eventual marriage will be a lot more turbulent
>sluts lie about their past to their husbands, and when he finds out it destroys the marriage
>sluts are cheaters
>sluts are gold diggers
>sluts make terrible wives
>sluts are incapable of loving their husbands

Sluts hurt their children:
>sluts make up 100% of all abortions
>sluts make terrible mothers
>more than 40% of single mothers live in poverty
>the annual cost for child care averages over 40% what the median income for a single mother is
>children born from teenage mothers are more likely to have health problems, both physically and psychologically
>children without a father figure are more likely to grow up maladjusted or go to prison

Sluts hurt society:
>45% of single mothers receive food stamps, paid by tax payers who can keep their legs shut
>25% of single mothers don't have health insurance, meaning its up to tax payers to pay for her herpes ointments
>sluts demand, year after year, for free birth control from the government so they can keep on slutting it up
>sluts are causing divorce rates to skyrocket, and marriage rates to plummet
>men are literally dropping out of society because they can't find a non-slut to marry
I'm glad we have this discussion so often that I can just copy/paste this shit now. It makes winning arguments very easy.

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You can't change a womans broken fucked up mind, but It's alright because we at least know it's true.

I read a news story about a little girl who was raped and murdered, and they described her vagina as being stretched beyond recognition. I've been trying to find the exact article for the past ten minutes but can't.

faxx

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