>fapped again, didn't last a week >didn't go to the gym today >spent the day feeling like shit >haven't done any work in over a month >always tired, can't sleep
Please convince me to keep going, Jow Forums. That or kill myself. Maybe you'll manage to push me over the edge.
It's not working because you lack discipline and willpower, as melodramatic as that might sound. Our generation truly are weak because we've had the seemingly never ending novel entertainment at our whim. It could be likened to that of a spoiled prince endulging in every hedonistic act the court has to offer. That does not build character or happiness. Now, get back on nofap and if you fail, do it again, only this time longer. Hopefully that would build some willpower and discipline so that you eventually have the courage and endurance to identify and kill the rest of your desires.
Brayden Sanders
>get back on nofap and if you fail, do it again I doubt treating this one symptom of my massive lifestyle and mental health issue will help. Focusing on it seems to make everything worse. I'm also half convinced all the benefits everyone claims to get from nofap are a case of correlation being mistaken for causation.
I'm not sure if the "discipline and willpower" issue can even be fixed. Some things never get easier, not even after years of doing them over and over again. Going out for errands, commuting, even taking showers... everything always takes willpower and I only have so much of it. Working out seems to be yet another one of these things, unfortunately.
The only reason I haven't killed myself is the hope that some day my life will be so nice I'll actually want to live it, but if I can't bring myself to work enough to make that a reality, what the hell is the point?
Same. Even since she blocked me everywhere I've been fantasizing about ending it. It's aready beena whole fucking year of my life wasted waiting just to talk to her. Some weeks I fap every day and get depressed about everything. I stop working out or get lazy at work. I feel that life ain't worth it if you don't have a person to love.
>they live meaningless lives Name a meaningful way of life and why it qualifies as such.
Asher Anderson
>>always tired, can't sleep sounds like sleep apnea to me. You're not getting enough oxygen when you sleep, for some reason. Get a wedge pillow and some other pillows and start sleeping more upright in bed. arrange pillows in such a way so that you can sleep comfortably on your back.
He's a retard disregard him. He will post the usual "manly man" stereotypical bullshit like any good neo-capitalist apologist.
Gavin Howard
kaiji-kun? great anime
Jason Lewis
>Take a fucking risk. This. If you fail, find a reason why you failed. Then, avoid make the same mistake or try a new way. Never stop improving yourself.
You have to find out yourself. There is no such as same meaningful way of life for everyone. Some people's way of meaningful life is to help others, to travel the world, to raise children, etc. You have to work hard to find that meaningful life for yourself because there is no one understand you better than yourself.
Evan Martin
>I doubt treating this one symptom of my massive lifestyle and mental health issue will help. I never said it would. But you're going to have to start somewhere. Try tackling all of them at once and see what happens. >benefits everyone claims to get from nofap are a case of correlation being mistaken for causation. Most are, undoubtedly. A few ones which would benefit you are very real though, ESPECIALLY when it comes to willpower and energy.
>You understand nothing about how humans work. No? I'm curious how you could come to such a conclusion based on a few posts. Nothing I've said stands in conflict with Freud or Jung if you are of their school.
Tyler Jenkins
last part meant for
Jaxon Foster
Because you can't really change yourself from the outside, imposing habits on yourself and other meme self discipline bullshit. The only real and lasting change comes from inside
Caleb Jenkins
>neo-capitalist apologist It's not that complicated. It's more that these types are trapped in the materialist mindset in which the only way to fulfill any desire is through strict material means (house, wife and children, financially rewarding career). This mindset unfortunately has become the norm in the west as strict empirical scientism has become the latest and most widespread fad to the layperson (who is most likely not even aware of other perspectives).
So the qualification of meaningful exists on a continuum; meaning that it doesn't exist as a thing at all. That isn't very meaningful.
Jose Powell
Take a risk doing what, user? Most of the risks I'd like to take require money.
I'll consider it, but it's probably just a generic sleep cycle problem. I naturally want to sleep from 5 to 13 and have to take melatonin to fall asleep at a reasonable hour.
What is your definition of meaningful life, then? It seems to me that you want it to be negative no matter what. If I give you a solid evidence, you will somehow turn it into negative. Most 'way of life' is abstract. It is entirely up to you whether you will despair or find a way to be happy.
Landon Myers
>trapped in the materialist mindset Do you have some sort of alternative that doesn't involve self-delusion?
Robert Ward
>Because you can't really change yourself from the outside Read my first post You can't just start off by recommending depth psychology or advanced mental transmutation, it has to be tangible to a degree. Nofap is perfect in this regard.
William Gonzalez
>hurr why dont I just kill myself >pic related
Close your eyes and imagine this: you're a decrepit, old man. Your eyes have gone to shit, you can barely move, and everything aches and rots. All you have is memories of an unremarkable, unfulfilling life of self-loathing to look back on. You have an accident; maybe a fall in the tub or a heart attack. You get put in some state hospital with the rest of the nobody old folks who have no one coming to see them. The nurses and doctors say the disinterested platitudes they say to everyone, turn you into a pincushion of needles and tubes, and then move on with their own lives . You're left in a bed, left to your own thoughts.
This is when you begin to understand: The End is coming. It's that massive black, bubbling wall that's been steadily advancing towards you on the corridor that is your life. It's now two inches away from your face; too close to ignore anymore. It's so unimaginably ugly and terrifying up close; you distantly realize this is why you never an hero'd in your youth. Every horror monster trope, anxiety attack, fear or feeling of unease you've ever witnessed is just a watered down metaphor for The End. And it's finally come for you.
Now you're in a blind, animal panic. You desperately claw at the edges of your sanity, trying to find some way to escape. It's not your time. This can't be all that there is. You didn't even get to live; only exist in a haze. You were supposed to be someone. There was supposed to be more. You'll plead and beg for somebody, anybody to help you. You'll regress back to infancy and cry for your mom. But she's been gone for years, and couldn't help you even if she was alive. You might even try to convince yourself of an afterlife or a God. But every time you try to believe, you feel that cold, indifferent nothingness swallowing you. Starting at your feet and traveling up your legs.
Open your eyes. You're suddenly young again, back in the present. You have time now.
Meaningful != happiness or despair. This are irrelevant unless you define meaningful as such. I don't mean to sound negative I'm just trying to be concise.
Here is a quick rundown on the history of metaphysics for the layperson philosophybasics.com/branch_metaphysics.html I'll answer your question with a question. Do you consider what you perceive to be the same as what is actually there in front of you? The encoded sensory data you receive through your eyes, does that perfectly match that which the sensory data supposedly originated from (the object you are looking at)? If your perceiving of such a thing does not perfectly and most truly represent the thing itself, then how can you be so sure that such a thing even exists as you see it? Perception is an odd thing, so assuming what comes into your mind is an image of material is quite presumptuous.
Ryder Rivera
You're trying to make me feel a sense of urgency, to get me to start working on all the things I need to do in order to enjoy whatever is left of my life. While the attempt is appreciated, it's also pointless. I already feel like my life is running out, all the time. It's not helping.
Okay, I'll bite. What does map-territory confusion have to do with my "materialist" mindset?
I'm only assuming you are a materialist. If you are, I don't understand how you assume what you see and feel are the causal result of existing material when such material is no where to be found. Seems like a baseless assumption.
Gabriel Rogers
Jesus christ user
Somebody has a story
Evan Davis
>the materialist mindset in which the only way to fulfill any desire is through strict material means (house, wife and children, financially rewarding career) You seem to be confusing philosophical and economic materialism.
Elijah Smith
I have been talking about philosophical materialism since the beginning. Can you tell me how I am supposedly confused?
Levi Ortiz
Well, maybe I'm confused. You're saying that this "materialism" is the belief that that the only way to fulfill my desires is through material means, a category that apparently includes people? Is that right? If so, why are you then saying that this is an unfortunate mindset and a fad? What the fuck else would you want me to fulfill my desires through? Dreams? Psychotic episodes?
Cooper Thomas
Damn. One thing though; why can't he believe in God? Jesus teaches that even if a man repents on his deathbed, he will be saved.
Gabriel Brooks
Sorry, I haven't taken nearly enough drugs to believe in God. Maybe they'll give me some of the good shit once I'm about to die, though.
Ian Martin
I'm just guessing from his outlook and posts that he's either agnostic or atheistic.
Plus the whole deathbed repentance doesn't have the real substance that Christianity can provide and he needs (from any source): the template to live a righteous, balanced life.
Grayson Lee
Try and think of this in the least edgy way possible (as that is the sort of person you might hear this from), but people are just as much material as anything else (within the materialist metaphysical perspective). Why wouldn't a proper materialist see them as anything else?
I just think such a perspective is built on baseless assumptions as I've explained in my other posts in this thread. It's unfortunate that desires supposedly exist in the first place. Making these desires and their fulfillment dependent upon material means is even more unfortunate. Personally, I think your desires ought to be fulfilled in themselves. What I mean by that is--any desire you have ought to solve itself independent of all other stimuli. At this point you can be considered "enlightened" or whatever romantic idea you want to attach to it. You ought to strive towards contentment independent of all else, this would be true freedom, though I'm doubtful such a state can be reached as we are now.
David Nelson
I looked into meditation and enlightenment a while ago. Most people claiming to be enlightened do not report feeling content at all times. Or at all - profound dissatisfaction with yourself and the state of the world is apparently a core part of Buddhism. They do, however, report symptoms like recurring manic-depressive cycles and belief in supernatural powers, despite being otherwise quite rational. I'd rather not chance breaking my own mind like that.
>any desire you have ought to solve itself independent of all other stimuli That just sounds like delusion.
That's Felix Baumgartner, pictured jumping from the Taipei 101 in OP pic.
Nathan Green
Don't discard the ideas (whatever they are, seems unrelated to what I was taking about as I never mentioned meditation and implied negativity around the idea of enlightenment) because some random retards (supposedly) make them look bad.
Is it not plausible for one to desire to fulfill ones desire within ones own desires? I don't see any delusion, makes logical sense to me.
Oliver Wilson
Dissatisfaction with yourself is the complete opposite core Buddhism. The entire goal of enlightenment is to dismiss suffering and accept satisfaction of everything, done by losing a sense of “self” at all.
Quit spewing that malarkey.
Jack Diaz
I see a lot of descriptions of a shitty, unfulfilling life—but what does a fulfilling life look like?
Most “dream careers” involve a lot of schooling and then a 9 to 5 grind of tedious work. If your idea of a fulfilling life is skipping that and doing fun stuff every day, good luck doing that without the aforementioned careers.
Fulfilling or nonfulfilling, life is full of countless hours of miserable, tedious busywork.
Jordan Cox
>be born rich with good genes >grow up with normal human interaction >enjoy your youth and life >never do any work you don't want to do >stick around until medicine finally figures immortality out
Jace Morgan
thanks dude, didn't realise he had a parachute. what a pussy
Evan Richardson
You can only get away with this if you have no responsibility. Get some responsibilities.
Brandon Edwards
A rich person could’ve made this thread, and/or feel just like he does.
Brody Bailey
Ethan, stop fucking with people. You’re meant to be studying.
Juan Foster
I would never have a gay name like Ethan.
Daniel Perry
>fapped again, didn't last a week It's more important to what you fap to, not if >didn't go to the gym today Rest is just as important as work. >spent the day feeling like shit Don't eat junk food and take a bath >haven't done any work in over a month Good for you >always tired, can't sleep Go to bed
Jackson Morales
then quit, coward if you want it you'll find an excuse to win, if not you'll find an excuse to fail looks like you're the latter type
>I dont think trying something until it is acomplished works >I guess i'll just do nothing instead
This is how you sound, this is how our generation sounds.
Hard times build strong men Strong men build good times Good times build weak men Weak men build hard times.
We are at the last line and the cycle will repeat. Are you going to join the strong or die weak?
Christopher Garcia
No problem bro
Isaac Campbell
Ask your little inner voice who you are and what you need to justify the suffering you want like staying fit/doing other things. It doesn't matter how trivial or seemingly small. ASK and LISTEN to what it tells you. Do you need a special coffee or some weekend cheat meal? Then give yourself that, and enjoy it. Being the tyrant of your soul will only crush it instead of nurturing it into greatness.
Not to mention death bed penance probably doesn’t even cut it enough to get into heaven. Just because some dude said you’re set doesn’t mean the big man sees eye to eye, if I know anything about the bible, its that you don’t get to cheat god.
Colton Cruz
>the tyrant of your soul Ouch.
Michael King
I fuck the hotest hoes. While i plow her i look left and right. I am actualy alone. She make me feel included. But im not. Not even the deepest hole can fill my hole