Is natty lifting even worth it?

You should be able to quickly link an example if they're so readily available.

You are right. Usually it is higher afterwards.

post body

In tight clothes you will look like you lift as a natural.

In comfortable clothes, you will look normal.

It's all for the best, as people perceive you as a weirdo if you're super jacked.

We laugh at that guy, but 90% of normies would admire how "jacked" he is. Girls would be mirin if they didn't know he was a manlet and you cropped out the top half of his face.

>that one retard who asks everyone to post body

hop on then my dude

dudes stronger than the vast majority of dudes on gear tho, that's achievable for a natty

You know that because muscle mass is greatly increased, once hpta turns back on and is in full swing that the body naturally raises test production to accommodate as much as it can on its own? This mean that if your test was say somewhere around 400-500 before, afterward it will be in the upper 700s or more because of how you are composed. Your scare tactics do not fucking work.

My bloods always come back fine, fag.

tell us ur lifts

Everyone on reddit has low testosterone, roiding or not

retard

That is in fact, the most legitimately fucking retarded thing I've ever read in my entire fucking life.

You don't end up with HIGHER fucking test, your nuts get damaged because of steroid abuse.
Well above trt levels, like 200mg, your nuts are switched off and you'll become damaged.
Period.
That's all.
You don't bounce back from that with higher test levels.
That's fucking bullshit.

>The one retard who complains about the guy asking to post bod in one of the rare occasions it might actually be a constructive endeavour
We need to know what we’re working with here in order to form an appropriate response. Though it would also be important to ask what his lifts and fitness goals are.

You dont need roids just hit ur arms and chest heavy and hard as fuck like do 3 hour workouts for just ur arms. how the fuck they not gonna be thicck after that?

This. Your test levels show higher on paper because the nolva and clomid are still in your system. 3 months AFTER pct your test levels will be nuked.

If those guys are on roids thats a very sad waste of side effects like hair loss, dick problems, heart damage & early death for a look thats VERY obtainable without roids.

Dude just stop being stubborn and open up to realisation that YOUR workout routine & diet are not good enough.
Its heartbreaking to admit it, however if you dont, get used to always dreaming about roids and "what if" thoughts drowning your mind 25 hours a day.

A guy came up to me in the gym and told me i was training wrong, he showed me how to train, at first i thought wow douche lord. Ive made some gains and increased my strength, how wrong can i be?!
...But then other guys, like in OPs pic, came and said this dude taught them all they know, and i saw them doing his form and routine.
And soon i made gains like never before.

Just admit it bro, this isnt a nasty troll comment, im trying to help you.

>expecting anyone to fall for this garbage

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Why would it be garbage
Whats so outlandish and unbelievable that you question its authenticity?

Im being positive...
Results are achievable, if the correct work & effort is put in.

lifting natty is worth it if you're shooting for lifelong fitness and health past your physical prime - 30s, 40s, 50s, etc. if you're roiding, you will be fucked by your mid thirties.

This is why so many retards try steroids.
>do roids
>make some gains
>notice some changes, dick breaks, breasts form, hair thins...
>left with a muscular spotty body and 2/10 face that no women likes, but guys in the gym love you and say "nice body bro!"

Totally worth it!
Give me roids now.
Id love to shorten my life expectancy and go bald earlier. Plus, I dont like my dick anyway, who needs an erection, not me!
Sign me up.

"But i read on the internet that someone did roids and had no side effects!!!"

Doctors are lyin to us clearly.
Roids are good for us.

Nigga, there is litterally no program on the fucking earth that will give you gains like that.
The only way you're getting gains like that as a natural is if you are active and overcome shit tons of resistance consistantly every fucking day for years. Not powerlifting/ego lifting like a fucking tard but being active and overcoming resistance/lifting with the understanding that this is a lifelong thing and to not fuck yourself up or wear yourself out over nothing.
Even then, you aren't keeping them if you are low bodyfat.

Even after all of that. Even after a decade plus of consistent and occasionally hard training starting from when you are at least 15 you will not have mass like that at a bodyfat that low.
You'll SORT of be able to look like that after a pump when you're cut low. For a few fucking hours to a couple of days. AT MOST.

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This. Most people are way to concerned about certain outcomes, then get frustrated and do dumb shit like roids or other gay shit. Just lift and git gut at it, eat good sleep good and stop being so fucking overly emotional about all this shit.

Soooo
What you're saying is, with time and effort, gains are achievable...?
Derppp, thanks for proving my point lmao

Love seeing Beta male cucks blaming everything under the Sun for why they can't look good.
>Its the Jews, i swear, dont ask me why, but its Jews.

Clearly gym is pointless if you're natty and every single male in fitness or insta famous or in movies is on roids.
Case closed.

Id say calm down and bang your girl
But you probably havent had an erection in months.
Stay mad brah. (Side-effect Includes raised aggression)

Amen.
Atleast someone has sense in this thread.

That seems like an oversimplification.
Most people who use roids are really great looking and slay the hottest babes.
There is however a small percentage of them that have shitty genes and ruin their health completely, exactly as you described it.

if you're a shitty natty, you will be a shitty roider

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if your under 6 ft it is since you can actually make gains

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Woman really fell for the muscle meme, they actually think most guys who like the image are natural.

He's a short guy with a small frame. Take his strength and apply that to a guy like 6' with a decent frame and he'll look great

>Clearly gym is pointless if you're natty and every single male in fitness or insta famous or in movies is on roids.

this is what weak individuals use for an excuse to use steroids. Honestly in my opinion if you use steroids and aren't making money off your body you are very literally retarded. You can definately make great gains as a natty and get a solid physique with 5+ years of lifting and like 6 months of proper dieting. You're all worthless and have shit genetics lmao

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"Hottest babes"
If by that you mean "skinny boys at the gym"
Then yes they get a lot of attention from hot babes.

Roid dudes the type of people to be at a party not drinking standing in the corner screaming autistically:
"Why is she kissing him, im much bigger, i bet he can only bench 100, i bench 225 for reps, ha! i know who the real winner here is"
*goes home alone to wank in sock whilst normal dude bangs hottest bitch at party*

If you're so invested in it, why not just hire a coach?

Also, try a different program.

Truth is, roids will help you gain (that's the whole point). But it requires a lot of brain to do it right; you could damage yourself badly if you're a total idiot.

>Me? An Idiot?
>itsmorelikelythanyouthink.jpg

Try strength training, try upping your caloric intake (specifically carbs, the mass while help you lift more which will help build more muscle. Then you cut) Read bro. Not every huge motherfucker is on steroids.

Honestly? Pick someone's who's physique you envy and hire them as a coach

>inb4 they're not a coach
>do it the other way retard, pick a coach whose body you'd be mirin at the gym

Thanks for agreeing user.

I think your keyboard must be on steroids.
No natty keyboard could be able to type such truth.

Beta males will search for a reason to explain why they cant achieve a goal.
Its never their fault.
Don't be stupid.

>"B-b-but Zyzz did roids!!!!!"

Yeah, great example kiddo
Id love to die at 25.
Im sold.
Sign me up.
Inject me right fucking now.