>gym guy gave me a train >it's shit, high rep range, every single thing is on a machine, can't get any results from it >start following a Jow Forums approved train instead (Michael Matthews') >gym guys only taught me how to do squats at smith machine >read up that it's shit >ask gym worker how to squat without smith machine >"user we don't allow you to do that because it's dangerous, you could hurt yourself" >end up doing it at the smith machine >after that do leg press >next train in line is Romanian Deadlift >try to do it but confused because I'm just replicating the deadlift >ask a gym worker how it differs from normal deadlift >"user, which teacher you that?" >tell him no one, I read it from a book >guy flips >"YOU THINK A BOOK HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN SOMEONE WITH A DEGREE?" >listen to his schooling then go home
Lmao, did you let him fuck your mom and girlfriend too?
Andrew Watson
What was I supposed to say? He works there, I'm just a costumer. All I thought the whole time was "I should look for a different gym". But I just took a look and there's no other gym in a 5km range.
Elijah Hill
wait, does that guy legitimately not know what a deadlift is or are your lower back muscles ripped?
David Cruz
get your money back, or speak to a manager
>5km if it's less than 15km, you can easily drive
you can get fit with machines too. compounds aren't necessary if you want to look good
Lincoln Adams
It was not a deadlift, it was a "Romanian Deadlift". I don't know if he didn't know how to do it, he just got angry when I said I got the idea from a book. During his speech he said "We don't usually assign deadlifts because they are very hard. Even I can't do it properly. I have seen you doing it before and your form is... It's pretty bad. (...)" And he is right, my form is bad, I'm still a beginner and such, but at least I was getting gains, adding weight every week and slowly improving my form, so I don't think it was wasted I'm still a university student and getting a car is still not worth it for me. >you can get fit with machines too. compounds aren't necessary if you want to look good At first I just wanted to look good, but now I'm in for strength. It just feels too good to squat a fuckton, even if it's on the smith machine
Tyler Gray
This, also complain loudly and a lot about that fag of a trainer who didn’t know shit, make sure his boss knows that’s he is the explicit reason for you wanting a refund and moving gyms. I hope his degree is laminated, that way he can use it to cover his box house when he loses his job.
Kayden Butler
Give us a video of diddly form. I’m a form autist, I’ll see you right. Also if you can’t find another gym you should still complain about that trainer being a condescending fag. He’s there to help you, not berate you. Especially if you’re a beginner.
Justin Gutierrez
Animefag BTFO. Get rekt.
Wyatt Sanders
>you think a book has more knowledge than someone with a degree? If it’s a degree that doesn’t require reading books, then that’s almost a definite yes.
Landon Campbell
>Lain >anime
Daniel Jackson
Ignore him at all costs. 5 minutes of coaching will make people deadlift correctly and the fact he says he can't even do them properly speaks volumes as to how useful his Mickey mouse degree really is.
Ryan Rivera
user ignore this faggot. Everytime he corrects you, immediately go back to what you were doing before. Listen to him and then ignore him immediately. This will piss him off so much that he womt bother talking to you again.
Christian Mitchell
I'll record next time I'm at the gym. Also, he told me that he will be the teacher responsible for my trains, and he told me to bring the book's train to him tomorrow so he can take a look and do the necessary adjustments to make it "official", and that I shouldn't do exercises that are not assigned to me again. I'll play along his idea because I have the dim hope that I can convince him to not change anything, but depending on what happens tomorrow I might just complain at the front desk about him and train on my own, getting form instructions from YouTube and such
Still pretty astonished at a gym doing this with costumers who are just trying to get fit, does this happen often or am I just unlucky?
Angel Barnes
user the fact that he told you to do smith machine squats means he is a retard. Stay away from him. Stop hanging around people you dont like because you don't want to hurt their feelings.
Jason Moore
just do your thing mang, lurk here and look at videos on youtube etc
The thing with smith machine is they literally won't let people squat properly because it is dangerous. And if people get hurt from that the gym can get in legal trouble or something. Not sure if other teachers would let it slide. He said I can at the very most "do it with very low weight and high reps".
Jaxon Cruz
Depending on the gym this can be normal. Usually they're nowhere near as pushy though. If he keeps bitching tell him you're not interested and that you'll be doing your own thing from now on. Nothing wrong with that. If it continues, tell him to leave you alone.
Don't let him put you off either. Takes some learning but you can learn to lift no problem on the net.
Camden Rogers
Just go and train without him, go train when he's not working or something if you have to. But that guy is a total dumbshit don't fuck around with him anymore.
Hudson Gonzalez
the customer is always right you fucking idiot. You're paying for him to teach you this shit. Just how your defeatist ass payed that english teacher and he didn't teach you jack shit.
Logan Phillips
hahahaha nigga is this for real? don't pay attention to the guy, tell him to get lost and you don't need him are you 12 or something? dumbass, man up
Hunter Perry
Hey brother. First off, fuck that guy. Don't pay him too much mind. Secondly, find a different gym. I know you said ther'e's no gym in a 5K range, but if it's like only another kilometer or something, why not add some cardio to your workout regiment?
Elijah James
Ok this seems like a troll to piss me off at this point. Gg
Isaac Harris
Are you paying extra for personal training? If so ask for your money back. If not then complain that he’s being too pushy, then he’ll go away. Also state you’re prepared to sign any release waver that will abdicate their responsibility of your health and safety regarding squats. You need to squat outside the smith, it’s the only way to squat proper, otherwise you don’t get a feel for balance and your supporting musculature will be severely lacking. Actually, do they not have a power/squat rack? Those things have safeties so you don’t fuck yourself, much safer than a smith IMO.
Jacob Edwards
Alright fuck, I'll tell him away and attempt to keep going exclusively with internet coaching I already do 5k runs so that would be easy, but I can only train at 7PM and the streets are very fucking dangerous at that time in my city, as in I'd be guaranteed to get mugged within a month
Jace Brown
He’s a beginner erring on the side of caution. You’d be just as retarded blindly following the advice from a Micronesian personality assessment forum.
Nolan Cook
There is. To be quite honest I did try it (with the very low weight they allowed me to) and it did seem dangerous. Sometimes my legs get way too close to failure at the Smith and I almost fall despite the fact I don't even need to keep balance, I reckon if that happened at squats things would not be pretty for me But then there's the fact I'm not braindead, I'd just go lower weight and be extra careful about not pushing too hard, but at least I get why they only assign people to the Smith, I can see injuries being common with normal squats
Julian Evans
My gym trainers avoid me lol because I'm a depressive cunt. But I usually shake hands with them and have asked them for advice a few times. They aren't pushy and are generally pretty chill (I once got told by this Chad-ass trainer not to drink monsters at the gym since they have a no-can policy... *here he lowered his voice* unless it's the gym's official energy drink brand kekku. I usually drink my sips before the gym now.
Tyler Howard
>not to drink monsters at the gym since they have a no-can policy That's somehow more stupid than OP's incident.
>We don't usually assign deadlifts because they are very hard. Even I can't do it properly. This mofo has a degree and can't do deadlifts? You can probably kick his ass, user. Teach him some respect.
Safeties are pretty easy to use, I’m sure there’s probably a billion tutorials on YouTube for setting the safeties at acceptable height/safely bailing out of a squat using safeties.
Julian Mitchell
I just looked up and my gym does not actually have a power rack. They have a place where people do exercises similar to squat, which I mistook for a power rack, but it's something else. I did some googling around and it looks like pic related, except without the bench. Alas, there's no safety, if I were to fall it'd be flat on my back, not sure if it's still worth doing squats outside the Smith then
Senpai, do you have any sources for good squat and diddly form?
I want to make sure I find someone to copy who's form is actually good
Camden Bennett
Not the guy you are replying to but I find it difficult to copy forms you watch online, it's difficult to tell which muscles are supposed to be used for the lift (unless they mention it in the video) Even then, asking someone to coach you in the gym is much easier, and it works unless you're trying to do something difficult like a deadlift which people have differing opinions on how it's meant to be done (or more like most of them can't do it) Squats should be easy to get reliably coached IRL
Kevin Young
Are you a fucking fag?
Just do what you wanna do. Why care? Adopt a "so what?" mentality
Camden King
What “degree” does this guy have? Was he some what fit or a skinny fat dyle looser?
Matthew Stewart
Get a new gym. The guy doesn't know jack shit
Angel Powell
These OP, or just ignore him and keep doing compounds. Ask another lifter, they will probably help you, be friendlier about it, and won't have an agenda. The trainer is just mad because you have access to knowledge he doesn't want you to have. He'd rather have you pay him to do mostly useless exercises for little results so you pay him again to do the same thing. That "trainer" and his poor excuse of a degree should be fired.
Robert Foster
>I'll play along his idea because I have the dim hope that I can convince him to not change anything, Don't do this. He will change something, even if it is fine as is, because he needs you to become dependant on him to get paid. He's screwing you and you're paying him to do it.
Gavin Cruz
a degree doesn't teach you how to lift
i have a kin degree as well, i work as a personal trainer
all i ever do is teach people how do deadlift, sumo, romanian, squat, ohp, bench, row
Hudson Moore
I found Alan thrall and omar isuf’s deadlift videos pretty good. But honestly for deadlifts, like many lifts, the exact form is going to change depending on your proportions. Don’t copy someone who is good, take a form video (from the side) and take advice from people who look like they lift like you do. However I think Omar and Alan both have good tips for any proportions and are both geared towards beginner lifters. I’ll be on the lookout for your form check thread so I can give you tips. If the same dude tries to give you shit for doing diddlies then thank him for his advice but say you don’t think his training method is the best way to achieve your goals. If he still tries to insist, ask if he would like to take it up with his manager. If he accepts the offer to take it up with his manager calmly explain you are paying good money for the use of gym equipment and so long as you aren’t compromising said equipment you should be able to do as you please. There’s usually an accountability waiver you sign at the start of your membership that makes you liable for any injuries sustained by gym equipment on the premise so they shouldn’t have any reason to not let you squat/diddly.
Joshua Rodriguez
Those blue things look something like safeties, if the rack there has them you can probably use them as such.
Hunter Phillips
The blue things are from where you pick up the bar. So imagine yourself stepping there, picking the bar, doing some steps backwards. There is nothing behind you. I'd need to do a 180º spin for the rack to be behind me, which is retarded, and I'm not sure if the rack can "catch" the bar if I ever fall, especially considering my balance is still shit so I might twist the bar's angle
John Wood
the worker serves the customer user. not the other way around. stop paying money to do bullshit you don't want to do
Adrian Turner
do goblet squats with a dumbell, look up a video of someone doing them theyll teach you the squat pattern and help you escape the smith and show us what program you're doing
Nathan Rodriguez
tfw i can tell you're a severe social autist and you're obviously twisting what really happened, that personal trainer was likely completely in the right but we can only rely on your autistic version of events
I'll tell him if he shows any intention in bossing me around again. Gonna report what happens tomorrow if the thread is still alive.
My program is
Note: All these are 3 sets of 4-6 reps unless it's specified that it's hypertrophy, then it's 8-12. First exercise of the day always has warm-up.
Day 1 - Chests and Calfs Inclined Bench Press (Barbell) Inclined Bench Press (Dumbbell) Bench Press (Barbell) Optional: Triceps Dips, or Bench Press w/ dumbbells if too weak for dips Calf exercises
Day 2 - Back and Abs Deadlift Bent Rows Chin-ups (any grip) Optional: Pulldown w/ closed grip Optional: some shit I can't translate to English 3 to 6 ab sets
Day 3 - Shoulder and Calfs Military press (sitting or standing) Lateral Raise Bent Over Lateral Raise Calfs again
Day 4 - Upper Body and Abs Inclined Bench Press (hypertrophy, so 8-12 reps) Biceps Curl (barbell) Bench Press w/ closed grip Alternated Biceps Curls w/ dumbbell Sitting Bench Press but with a very close grip to work triceps, dunno exact English equivalent 3 to 6 ab exercises
Day 5 - Legs and Shoulders Squats Leg Press Romanian Deadlift Lateral Raise (hypertrophy sets) Inclined Lateral Raise (hypertrophy sets) Calfs It was actually worse than what I am reporting since I did not mention most of what he said in his silly speech. He went "Dude you got absolutely no experience. You got like a few months. We went through college for this" etc, but it doesn't matter
Caleb Flores
The top ones are where you pick up the bar, the bottom ones look like safeties. But I’m going to second this user Goblet squats would be a great place to start if you’re nervous about squatting. Then you’ll be able to squat correctly before moving on to barbell squats.
Jack Jones
>dumb DYEL animeposter autistically faffs about at a gym and then gives up LMAOing at your life for real. This is the type of catharsis I needed today.
OP if you are paying for a personal trainer and they aren't working out I might suggest looking in to a crossfit place. Everyone in here will shit on me for suggesting it but it's changed my life. Up to you.
Nolan Sanders
>laughing at a beginner trying navigate the myriad of cunts and bullshit in order to make some gains. Your a shitcunt, mate. I hope you realise that.
Camden Bell
I am an asshole and I can accept that. I just really enjoy seeing autists like OP flailing.
Leo Hall
my friend did that and got jacked/strong fast but i do believe that it has a high injury rate which is a big deal
Parker King
You're the autist here mate, fuck off retard
Isaiah Rogers
Do they have normal squat racks? If so, why?
Colton Adams
They have exactly pic related, I am not sure how safe it is for squats, seemed dangerous to me but I'd risk it anyway for the gains I'm not giving up.
personally i'd rather squat more than once a week, especially since you're new to the movement and need practice post a video of your main lifts (squat, bench, dead, press) from a side angle when you can
Ian Lee
You should've just threatened to end your membership then and there. These places don't want to lose your business. Best case scenario the faggot might've gotten fired for being such a fucking autist
Goblet squats, my dude. Great starting point if you’re nervous about squatting a barbel. It’s a great way to get used to the squat motion and build a base layer of muscle. Also Where did you get this routine from? It seems like a bit much for a beginner.
Adrian Reed
How should I hold the dumbbells if I'm doing 2 dumbbell squats? I'm doing 5x5 and I'm up to 80lbs and the gym I use currently only has single dumbbells going up to 50lbs, but im moving to a new gym soon hopefully. I used to be able to hold the weight upright, as if I were doing a pull up but it's just gotten too heavy for that, and holding the weights out to my side fuck up my leg position.
Jaxon Ramirez
Michael Matthews, from his "Bigger, Leaner, Stronger" book I love it and it's just about enough for me. Only struggling with shoulder days, I can't do any of the exercises there with respectable weight, but I'm doing good progress with all others. I like squats so I'd be down for that but not sure where to insert them.
Elijah Miller
its alright buddy
Logan King
not even going to read the greentext just call him a faggot and get bigger than him
Landon Parker
add them to day 1 or 3, along with a few sets of goblet squats if time is an issue nix the calf work, its not important enough to do 3x a week
Owen Lewis
consider bulgarian split squats, and definitely get a new gym
Ian Gomez
This. Ignore that asshole and do what you want.
Jace Harris
What the fuck? Why does he have any say in what you work out? Just do your own thing and keep to yourself. I seriously hope you didn't pay for him as a personal trainer...
Noah Gutierrez
A romanian deadlift is just a deadlift with near straight legs.
Very different to a normal deadlift.
Leo Brown
Lol no they arent.
Dylan Cox
thats a stiff legged deadlift dummy RDL starts from the top and doesnt touch the ground
Dominic Diaz
Gotta strive for those mental gains my friend, or all the muscle in the world wont help you make it. Right after that freak out you should have told him off. Stand up for yourself, because you shouldnt rely on others doing that for you.
Isaiah Jones
this, but don't call it a partial life, or you upset the powerlifters
Lucas Fisher
Yeah, I am awful at being verbally aggressive with others, even in self defense, it's a childhood thing
Henry Barnes
>being so beta that you didn't play your trap card, "The Customer is Always Right."
Asher Davis
Your gym probably doesn't want you to use it because failing a rep with one of those stands means you fuck up their floor. See youtube.com/watch?v=HvpEURMRZI4 as an example of how to do it.
Asher King
Tell him to fuck off with his shit degree.
If he can't coach a proper deadlift with a degree it means he doesn't have a real degree. Call him out on his bullshit, ask him to stop bothering you and ignore that fucker.
Jace Baker
Why tf do you have a trainer in the first place like just do your own thing fuck em
Jack Morgan
If serious, gym trainers are 100% meant to give you a "burn" but not make you work hard. Like just enough to make you break a sweat, but not enough to make you sore the next day.
You'll never make it with a gym trainer.
Justin Sanders
>actually training calves Why? Shit's like 99% genetic.
