To start off with its a known fact that blacks seem to have higher testosterone counts, at least according to the studies I am aware of on the topic (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3455741). I'd think higher test should mean more muscle mass and better athletic ability, since that is what the hormone is most well known for, but outside of American sports and things involving running they don't seem really all that over represented. The best example of this is world's strongest man competitions (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_Strongest_Man#Official_results_–_top_three_places) which are completely dominated by northern europeans, but leaving out that outlier this seems evident in olympic events which blacks don't seem to have an edge on outside of running (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2016_Summer_Olympics_medal_winners), and combat sports. For example the current heavyweight mma champion is a Croat that in his last match beat the shit out of this huge black guy called Ngannou, and if you had to pick a region that produced the best fighters it would probably be central asia not africans. As well if you look at the holders of the current belts in boxing there are definetly blacks present but really its people from all over the place (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_world_boxing_champions). Even in American football there are positions dominated mostly by white players, the most famous being the qb which you could say is a result of iq, but whites still dominate most of the offensive line positions, and TE. (imgur.com/gallery/XuozZqP)
>inb4 its just fast twitch and slow twitch muscle fibers Blacks dominate all running whether or not it involves fast twitch or slow twitch muscle. youtube.com/watch?v=3xTjnwo2S2A
>inb4 go back to Jow Forums I'm asking here not Jow Forums because I don't believe what I'm asking is racist in anyway, and I'd like unbiased opinions from experts on fitness.
This post is a fucking mess and you should feel bad about it. Bad.
Justin Hill
I'm up for criticisms on how I formatted it, how should I fix it?
Xavier Cruz
Blacks tend to have longer limbs and shorter torsos than whites of the same height. Shorter limbs is an advantage for strength sports.
Brody Nelson
it exists in the mating game natural selection
Isaiah Young
I have nothing to back this up but I think the reason why blacks are underrepresented in all kinds of other stuff is because the best ones only ever go for basketball and football.
Hunter Cooper
These studies have been debunked
Black males actually have no signifigantly higher testosterone levels, but much higher estrogen levels compared to men of other races.
Why do you think all black boys are skinny hairless lanklets?
In terms of testosterone mexicans are the only ones with a small bit more test but that's likely from diet
Evan Clark
How do I into Mexican diet?
Hudson Kelly
Beans
Anthony Flores
By diet I mean they eat a lot more home cooked stuff instead of processed hormone pumped shit thats lowering test levels
Jacob Jones
Why are nogs so great at running then? Also I know this is meme at this point but source?
Eli Kelly
Not all nigs are good at running, but a specific group of nigs with certain mutations creating more fast twitch muscle fibers are good at running. Also nigs are taller on average than Wh*tey, which makes them good at basketball and running from cops
Michael Rivera
Bone density and different muscle fibers. No, seriously.
Aaron Hall
>>inb4 its just fast twitch and slow twitch muscle fibers >Blacks dominate all running whether or not it involves fast twitch or slow twitch muscle. youtube.com/watch?v=3xTjnwo2S2A
Lincoln Myers
There are a ton of record holding whites in sprinting, marathon, and various others. In the classes currently topped by black dudes, white guys are usually pretty close in time so it could easily be offloaded to happenstance. It'd be like saying only white guys are good at powerlifting and then completely neglecting that Larry Wheels is extremely close to a ton of records set by white guys.
Lucas Harris
When you're looking at niggers from America you've got a seriously diverse pool user. Even some of the blacker one, with the big nose width, fat lips and slanted foreheads are almost 15% European. (We're talking about actual American blacks, not the refugee ones that have come over in the last few years) Look at sub-saharans.
What matters is who is best though. If the best of the best white can only get 2nd or 3rd, or the same with a black and power lifting, its irrrelevant.
Charles White
I saw nothing wrong with that part, I just don't think it would worthy of being a full explanation.
Dominic Phillips
well, if we look at it in the evolution way we notice that blacks were hunter gatherers for a much longer time. This lead to the development of whatever the fuck muscle groups being overall stronger. Add this to the fact that some niggers are stillhunter gatherers being brought straight out of their country to compete and we have very good evidence for it happening.
>Even in American football there are positions dominated mostly by white players, the most famous being the qb which you could say is a result of iq, but whites still dominate most of the offensive line positions, and TE. (imgur.com/gallery/XuozZqP)
Matthew Ortiz
That doesn't change the fact that they still shoot for those positions as their goal instead of doing something else.
Jordan Scott
A less experienced fighter with incredible physical attributes lost to the greatest heavyweight the UFC has ever seen (who also has world class attributes). Now Ngannou's loss is plastered all over these race threads. That fight was not about race - I watched it.
What about DJ, Woodley, Cormier and Jones? Are latinos better than white people at fighting because Stipe lost to Dos Santos in 2014?
Christian Ross
>average black guy has more testosterone >why don't they have an advantage in competitive level sports where everyone is pinning supraphysiological levels of testosterone? Why do you think, OP?
Robert Murphy
Yet they still can't get plenty of those positions even though its all they imply while whites still make up the majority of some. Now the difference between offensive line, qb, and te, is that they have a lot less movement then all the other positions, and mostly involve upper body strength. TE does perform a role as a receiver but not nearly as much as wr's and huge part of his role is blocking. QB might be a result of higher iq, though I also notice a difference in styles between black and white qb's. Black QB's like Michael Vick and Cam Newton love to run as well. Offensive line is supposed to move as little as possible to keep the line stable and people away from the QB. Since the NFL is all about getting the best results and I am very doubtful race has played any role in who gets the positions in decades, I take this analysis of the positions to mean whites might have some form of upper body or general strength advantage, while balcks have an advantage when it comes to movement and running.
Oliver Phillips
Fucked up the first sentence
*Yet they still can't get plenty of those positions whites dominate even though it'll make them millions of dollars, and the spend their life trying to get them.
David Morgan
Blacks dominate running because they're physiologically closest to primitive humans who ran down animals on open savannah. When humans migrated out of Africa into colder, forested/mountainous areas, they got worse at running and closer to neanderthals in build.
Aaron Cooper
northern/central europeans tower over Africans. The dutch have an average height of just over 6ft
Justin Kelly
You clearly haven't read what I've written at all. That fight had nothing to do with race I agree, and what I'm typing has nothing to do with any kind of white superiority. All I'm saying is if blacks do have a testosterone advantage you'd think no other race would stand a chance against them in the ring. I'm asking why they don't.
Jordan Howard
in football (american) they tend to play running postions (rb,wr) and power postions (lb) They dominate basket ball, no questions asked. In football(euro), there is no trend to what positon blacks play, if i had to make a guess it would be large quick cb and cdm (yaya,wanama,dembele).
Jayden Watson
Why are all races not represented then, instead of the charts being completely filled with Northern Europeans? If it were all steroids it wouldn't nearly be as one sided in one direction.
lmao if you think east african dominance in distance running has anything to do with test levels and not having the perfect environment(culture and geographic location) and abusing drugs. how new are you??
Because of genetic differences. OP was asking about why testosterone levels aren't an advantage when natty testosterone levels aren't even a factor to begin with.
Gabriel Cook
Up your comprehension skills retard
Jack Ross
The most popular sport in the world is football (soccer). Its cheap to play and fun. African teams are terrible in the world cup.
The top 10 fastest Olympic runners for men and women are all black. The further the distance the more the field diversifies.
I keep hearing the powerlifting argument but, what are the numbers on the amount of black powerlifters and isn't that ratio hugely in the favor of whites across all races?
Leo Torres
Well, jumping
Gavin Lewis
Black dudes are in the gym all the time. They get big and there are some strong ones but by far the strongest ones are white.
Asher Cooper
There are lots of dudes in the gym in general. I'm specifically talking about black power lifters, and their numbers competitively since that's an actual trackable measure of the best of the best rather than conjecture. Its along the same lines of the topic about chess grand masters and there only being 2 worldwide but, the pool of actual competitive black chess players is minuscule in comparison to other races.
Jason Murphy
Dude. Every black guy I know that goes to the gym thinks he's a powerlifter. They are everywhere. Its just when they realize their lifts are shot they decide they don't want to show up and get beat by white dudes. So they don't compete.
Julian Reyes
>hey guys those legit scientific sources you posted are wrong, trust me its just bro-science bro >like forreal its been debunked SO many times >oh you want me to prove its wrong? bro its obviously wrong lmaooo
Nathan Brown
Has anyone else noticed nogs are always weaker than they look? Even when they’re fit looking they’re still bouncing 1pl8 off the chest
A lot of it is mental. I've been through a few SOF selections in my time and blacks are always the first to quit and mentally checkout when they're tired or things don't go as planned.
It's usually either the turbo-Chads who are good at everything and seem to be blessed by the grace of God or the white manlets that have been shit on by everything their whole lives that make it and get selected.
John Nelson
This is always brought up, or a line like that stating that "black athletes go where the money is" which is bullshit because you would see far more in football (soccer) than any other sport then.
Eli Gutierrez
They want to make money and also not play faggy soccer
>Contrary to the postulated racial difference, testosterone concentrations did not differ notably between black and white men. However, Black males were found to have significantly higher estradiol levels than both White and Mexican american men.
The majority of successful high jumpers are white. The long jump and triple jump share an even spread of white and black athletes. Throws are dominated by whites.
Only Jamaicans and the Kalenjin tribe from Kenya is good at running. Both don't have any doping tests.
And also, any white guy who can run is playing soccer. Lots of soccer players are world-class sprinters easily, while on grass, with a ball at their feet and trying to defend against attackers.
Cooper Long
I wouldn't call them world class bro, elite yes but they would be smoked by anyone who knows how to run and only run.
Landon Williams
>I wouldn't call them world class bro, elite yes but they would be smoked by anyone who knows how to run and only run. Of course, since sprinters aren't running on grass, dribbling a football and people trying to stop them.
And of course, soccer players don't really train for a 100 m sprint.
So you seem kinda stupid and racist, bro. Just saying.
Owen Watson
This study is the equivalent of the statement "there is more variation within race, then between races"
It is true. But ON AVERAGE (look at the fucking means for testosterone between races they provide in the table) Blacks and mexicans have HIGHER testosterone than whites.
Blake Cruz
>But ON AVERAGE (look at the fucking means for testosterone between races they provide in the table) Blacks and mexicans have HIGHER testosterone than whites. Nope.
You're just being racist.
Logan Young
You're retarded; you defined a soccer player as a world class sprinter when they simply aren't. World class is the capacity to compete on an international level, in the defined field, sprinting. If you don't have that capacity, but have a capacity to Sprint and beat everyone else but the world class, you are classified as elite. Most world class football (soccer) players run the 400m in around 50s which is far from world class in the track. This time, accounting for a max VO2, translates to between an 11-12s Sprint. Which is good, but again, not world class.
Next time don't try to move the goal posts or conflate arguments, it makes you look retarded, especially with someone who is agreeing with you.
Liam Torres
>"I cannot think logically" - the post You are a retard. American, right?
Ethan Phillips
Define the logical issues.
Easton Gray
>he beat me >better just moan about logic Nice cope retard.
Jaxson Thompson
I think it has to do with their built. For example, nogs have narrower hips so their legs are pulled on a straighter line with less rotations. But it gives them a disadvantage in heavy lifting somehow.
btw isn't some turklet the current 200m champion
Gavin Rivera
Yeah ya know that's the thing about science. Cant question any of it
Dominic James
-> Thought not.
Chase Rivera
You're not questioning it though, you're just denying it altogether
Isaiah Morgan
Man I see so many blacks pushing into soccer and it makes me sad. Props to them but the french national team looking like they're straight from kongo is just upsetting
Brody Murphy
Except they provided a source to back up their claim
Henry Peterson
>testosterone It's a myth, testosterone levels are almost the exact same in all the races as long as they live in agricultural societies.
What matters is fetal exposure to testosterone. West africans have more, whites have slightly less, asians have way less.
Isaac Johnson
Blacks have sliightly higher percentages of fast twitch muscle fibers but in fighting you don't just need fast twitch muscle fibers, you also need endurance, slow twitch muscle fibers are very energy efficient. Slow twitch muscle fibers also help a lot during heavy lifting.
Endurance african athletes are from total shitholes where drug use is rampant, and where fast twitch muscle fibers aren't as high in percentage as in african americans/west africans, they're not even the same people.
Benjamin James
Dope anecdote, highly measurable and definitely accounts for everyone on earth.
John Brown
why do people do all these retarded reflections and put all these assclown theories when everything is explained by pic related? just read this picture, save it on your computer, and stop believing stupid myths
This was all adjusted for age and health as well. Stop jerking off to blacked porn fantasies and face the facts
Eli Nelson
No, minorities would never cheat. I can't believe it
Cameron Rodriguez
I know right? Suggesting the race most likely to commit crime, take and sell illegal substances, and resort to athletic endeavours to compensate for their inability to achieve academic success would be more likely to take performance enhancing drugs? I for one am SHOCKED
Kayden Mitchell
Maybe that is why they have more rythm or "feel" really makes you go hmm
Jeremiah Williams
A turklet is also the strongest ever pound for pound, really makes you think.
Camden Morris
longer legs, higher center of gravity
Nolan Cruz
>Black males actually have no signifigantly higher testosterone levels, but much higher estrogen levels compared to men of other races. No wonder they make the best faggots. That's shit's basically a part of their genetic code No wonder blacks frown upon faggots. Because they know
Cameron Carter
This, the more time goes by the more I realize us natties are not that common, and once you get past a certain level or proficiency at any sport, literally any, natties will be a very small minority if they exist at all. Human beings were not designed to be that much at anything, all we have going for us is intelligence which helps us boost our other characteristics.
Jaxon Perry
>Beinga Chad actually has cons So you have to find that middle ground between chad and dyel. Going full dyel or full chad isn't as good as they say
But wouldn't that mean they would be better at fighting sports?
Jace Morgan
It's why blacks are more in tune with both sides of their subconcioussness, the animus and anima, it explains why they are very rythmic, as their entire psyche is a series of jumps between aggressive emotionless thoughts and emotion filled moments, with no real stability in either, and thus the "rythm", going back and forth.
Cooper Gonzalez
Moderation in everything is literally the cheat code for life, but people want to just keep memeing into the extremes.
Jonathan Ortiz
Every top 3 in the World's Strongest Man ever has been a white man of European descent
Benjamin Watson
Only if you ignore OD Wilson and they basically had to screw him out of the title to keep it on JP.
The truth is Allen's rule is the cause of the disparity in the races for each sport - humans and animals that develop in warmer climates such as Africans have longer limb to body ratios so they are better suited for sports like basketball and running, whereas Europeans are generally more suited to sports like strongman where they pick up extremely heavy weights and move them
Hunter Peterson
That has something of an issue applying to Strongman, where the top guys often have really fucking long limbs. It's not always as obvious because of how heavy they are but Shaw, Thor and Hall are all lanky fuckers (which isn't surprising, since that's two basketball prospects and a swimmer).
Dominic Cook
>For example the current heavyweight mma champion is a Croat that in his last match beat the shit out of this huge black guy called Ngannou, That has nothing to do with genetics. Stipe won because he was more experienced, had gameplan and didn't gas.
Jackson Rivera
1. They're stupid 2. They're lazy 3. They have no sense of honor
Wyatt Foster
>beans, rice, grilled meat(sometime chicken or fish)all day everyday brother
Robert Powell
Because blacks don't actually have statistically significant amounts of testosterone greater than nonblacks.
Bentley Bailey
Got any proof?
Jeremiah Miller
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because you have to think as well in most other sports
Grayson Hall
Blacks really don't have that much more test than other races. It's mainly in their environment. Tyrone growing up in the hood is either gonna be a bitch and get robbed everyday or man up because he has to. Billy growing up in middle class suburbs may get in a few fist fights but In the end he has the comfort of his xbox and moms cooking.
One environment presents more stress than the other.
Then there's also the fact that we literally bred blacks to be stronger and hardier. Slave owners used to take the bigger/more swole slaves and breed them back with their own mother to produce another swole ass slave.
And also, they were basically wild animals fighting to live before we civilized them.
So yeah most blacks may have a slight advantage in terms of what they're physically capable of, but that's a bullshit excuse for why Darnell is bigger and faster than you. If you want to be bigger, stronger, faster, then simply push yourself and don't accept anything less.
I do honestly believe that mild shit like ostarine would basically put you on the same level as most blacks though
Camden Carter
stop believing gay memes, everything in this post is wrong except the wild animals part